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rrweather wrote:
I will start off by saying I own products made by both PCB and Kacey Enterprises. I am also happy with the products I own from both companies. That said, I am surprised to see the exchange of words going on. I've always believed that if you make a good product or provide a good service, it will speak for itself. Both companies make products that, I believe speak, for themselves, which really makes this bickering even less necessary.
One thing I've never understood is when a company slams another company for a product when the company doing the slamming doesn't offer a competing product. Last I checked, Kacey Enterprises does not build lights. The Einstein could be the worst design out there but until Kacey Enterprises builds something better, it is pointless to hear Kacey slamming the light. It's kinda like Ford slamming the design of Honda motorcycles.
The Kacey bracket is a great design that few companies offer something to compete with (including PCB). Let the quality of the bracket, the beauty dish, and the new products speak for themselves. I'm a little surprised because the other posts I've seen from Kacey were professional and respectful while still promoting the products.
Whether or not PCB and Kacey Enterprises "rely on one another" is irrelevant. They are in the same industry and both companies should be interested in seeing the industry as a whole do well. The more people out taking pictures, the more likely it is those people eventually buy your products.
Why not "agree to disagree" and move on. Again, both companies make great products. Why not leave it at that? ...Show more →
I agree that good products will speak for themselves. Though I have nothing against Paul, he's the one who has been known to defend his products here on these very boards when a member asks for comparisons with a competing product, for example. And if products and service do speak for themselves, then PCB wouldn't even be here, right? Or at least PCB shouldn't be here defending his products, right? (Mind you, in both polls Paul started whether he should be here or not, I voted that it's okay for him to be here as long as the forum isn't used for the wrong reasons --advertising, promoting, etc.)
I, too, use PCB and Kacey products but I can't fault Jerry Kacey for standing his ground. And just because Jerry doesn't manufacture a competing strobe, that doesn't mean his points on design flaws by PCB is baseless. In fact he has quoted Paul claims about the Einstein having better air flow than AB/WL only to find out it overheats, which neither the AB/WL ever did. Does that mean he still has to make a product that's superior to the Einsteins just because he doesn't like them? What if he already owns ABs that don't overheat or maybe Elinchrom and he's completely happy with them design-wise? Just like in your example, if Ford lambasts Honda motorcycles that doesn't automatically mean Ford feels the need to create their own motorcycles. What if the Ford president just finds Honda motorcycles' design inferior to Ducati based on his experience, for example?
I don't think Jerry was here to promote his product. Correct me if I'm wrong but PCB spoke out first after Dave (Tetrode) posted his Einsteins mounting a Rotalux modifier. Jerry merely pointed out that the "tunnel" his mount creates isn't as bad as the tunnel in PCB's mount. The discussion regarding design flaws only strayed after the back and forth about each others' design to prove a point. I could be wrong, but this is how I understood things.
On the other board, Jerry remains professional even when provoked. I was one of the people on POTN who said negative things about the tunneling his adapter creates and questioned whether there would be a significant hotspot created but he maintained his cool and stated that in actual use and base on the tests, it really doesn't mean much. But I guess something PCB must have said made Jerry lose his cool? I don't know the history between the two, so I can't really say.
But in the end, Jerry nor Paul has never once told anyone to stop buying each others' products. I don't see why this thread is so wrong. Maybe because it should have its own thread and have this one steer back to PLM v2, which I've always been interested in.
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...good point. Forgot about that small detail 
? Then you follow by saying their amateurish?
