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Archive 201017mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
p.2 #117mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
skibum5 wrote:
Happy shooting,
Yakim.either you are doing something disastrously wrong or you got a REALLY bad copy and send that coke bottle back
can't say which is the case
but you definitely need to either return yourself or the lens, that much is sure
I'm sure my wife would be more than happy if I were to return myself.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Yakim Peled wrote
Again I stress: I am not a lens tester but I would like to hear explanations.Happy shooting,
Yakim.
can't say which is the case
but you definitely need to either return yourself or the lens, that much is sure
I'm sure my wife would be more than happy if I were to return myself.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Jun 19, 2010 at 02:50 AM
p.2 #217mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
Your lens seems completely off. I have much better experience with it as do al reviewers on this site and others (e.g. Photozone).
An example image (3 image stitch). The perspective distortion was on purpose
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f/16. Full shift up and down.
f/16 Full upward shift
Another high res example also at f/16. Using a nodal ninja here.
Again at f/16. Full shift left and right in portrait mode.
F/16. Full shift up and down.
An example image (3 image stitch). The perspective distortion was on purpose
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f/16 Full upward shift
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Another high res example also at f/16. Using a nodal ninja here.
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F/16. Full shift up and down.
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Jun 20, 2010 at 04:25 AM
p.2 #317mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
Mine is sharp!
Jun 20, 2010 at 07:55 AM
p.2 #417mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
Mine is the sharpest lens I have ever owned.
Jun 20, 2010 at 08:26 AM
p.2 #517mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
Klaus Priebe wrote:
Mine is the sharpest lens I have ever owned.
Buy a macro
Mine is the sharpest lens I have ever owned.
Buy a macro
Jun 20, 2010 at 10:23 AM
p.2 #617mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
Mine is the sharpest lens I own.
Jun 20, 2010 at 01:22 PM
p.2 #717mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
ViscaB wrote:
Your lens seems completely off. I have much better experience with it as do al reviewers on this site and others (e.g. Photozone).
These are indeed beautiful images and I did stressed (twice) that I am not a lens tester but would you please post crops similar to mine? I mean, a high density sensor like the 7D (46 MP FF equivalent) and f-stops from 4 to 8. I believe you (and others) when you say that the lens I tried is faulty but I just want to see it.
TIA.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Your lens seems completely off. I have much better experience with it as do al reviewers on this site and others (e.g. Photozone).
These are indeed beautiful images and I did stressed (twice) that I am not a lens tester but would you please post crops similar to mine? I mean, a high density sensor like the 7D (46 MP FF equivalent) and f-stops from 4 to 8. I believe you (and others) when you say that the lens I tried is faulty but I just want to see it.
TIA.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Jun 21, 2010 at 01:03 AM
p.2 #817mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
Ok here's some samples from my TS-E17 + 7D.
This is the whole image at f/4, ISO100, 1/250s. Just a quick handheld snap on a cloudy day. Flat light and lack of contrast.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4093/4779357755_bca9d79b8b_b.jpg
Center crop, ZERO sharpening in DPP.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4118/4779357761_fa7972505a_b.jpg
Sharpened to 3
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4122/4779357765_2ce9faa8ac_b.jpg
Corner unsharpened.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4078/4779357775_a940b52f17_b.jpg
Sharpened to 3.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4779357777_e938e67fa9_b.jpg
Sorry if it's not what you had in mind Yakim. When I have more time, I'll try to find better subject. It does show that the lens you tested is faulty though.
This is the whole image at f/4, ISO100, 1/250s. Just a quick handheld snap on a cloudy day. Flat light and lack of contrast.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4093/4779357755_bca9d79b8b_b.jpg
Center crop, ZERO sharpening in DPP.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4118/4779357761_fa7972505a_b.jpg
Sharpened to 3
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4122/4779357765_2ce9faa8ac_b.jpg
Corner unsharpened.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4078/4779357775_a940b52f17_b.jpg
Sharpened to 3.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4779357777_e938e67fa9_b.jpg
Sorry if it's not what you had in mind Yakim. When I have more time, I'll try to find better subject. It does show that the lens you tested is faulty though.
Jul 11, 2010 at 05:23 AM
p.2 #917mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
I wonder if your lens is focusing past ininity? I am assuming that you are setting the focusing ring at infinity and click away. Did you try using liveview for focus? It may be worth a try. The 7D screen is not the best for focusing.
Gene
Gene
Jul 11, 2010 at 09:54 AM
p.2 #1017mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
Well, it's not what I did but it looks much better.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Jul 12, 2010 at 12:24 AM
p.2 #1117mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
When I first used the 17-TS-E I had soft corners, shifted or unshifted. even @ f11.
I was using live view and focusing on infinity near the center of the image. The focus mark on the barrel was past the infinity mark.
I then tried shifting to the max and using live view to focus near the edge of the image and found that the focus mark was precisely on the infinity mark. The aperture was f11 and the results showed tack sharp focus over the entire image.
Since then, unless the subject is very close, I simply set the focus mark on the infinity indicator and shoot at f8 or f11 and the results are superb.
I am not suggesting that this will work for your lens but it is worth a try.
I was using live view and focusing on infinity near the center of the image. The focus mark on the barrel was past the infinity mark.
I then tried shifting to the max and using live view to focus near the edge of the image and found that the focus mark was precisely on the infinity mark. The aperture was f11 and the results showed tack sharp focus over the entire image.
Since then, unless the subject is very close, I simply set the focus mark on the infinity indicator and shoot at f8 or f11 and the results are superb.
I am not suggesting that this will work for your lens but it is worth a try.
Jul 13, 2010 at 12:27 PM
p.2 #1217mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
You're right, it is worth a try. Unfortunately I don't have it any more.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Jul 14, 2010 at 01:54 AM
p.2 #1317mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
ViscaB, those are indeed some stunning pics.
Thanks for sharing.
Yakim, good luck with your quest.
Please keep us updated.
Thanks for sharing.
Yakim, good luck with your quest.
Please keep us updated.
Jul 14, 2010 at 04:09 AM
p.2 #1417mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
It needs some repair work done.
Loan lenses have been used by 1000s of people and not really looked after by any of them.
Loan lenses have been used by 1000s of people and not really looked after by any of them.
Jul 14, 2010 at 04:29 PM
p.2 #1517mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
So what did we decide? Is the 17TS-E a sharp lens or not?
Nov 27, 2010 at 01:32 PM
p.2 #1617mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
Yakim Peled wrote:
1. This is not my lens. It belongs to Canon Israel. They let me try it.
2. How can any problem occur in MF? After all, I focused until image was sharpest.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Show your results to them. Give them the RAW files with EXIF. Let them know that they've got a bum lens there. Invite them to repeat the test with you.
That 17 should be tack-sharp.
Did you use live view to set focus? I thik that's an advantage since you can use 10X multiplication to obtain perfect focus.
1. This is not my lens. It belongs to Canon Israel. They let me try it.
2. How can any problem occur in MF? After all, I focused until image was sharpest.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Show your results to them. Give them the RAW files with EXIF. Let them know that they've got a bum lens there. Invite them to repeat the test with you.
That 17 should be tack-sharp.
Did you use live view to set focus? I thik that's an advantage since you can use 10X multiplication to obtain perfect focus.
Nov 27, 2010 at 02:12 PM
p.2 #1717mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
James Taylor wrote:
So what did we decide? Is the 17TS-E a sharp lens or not?
I don't know about Yakim but mine is plenty sharp for me.
Bigger version
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1312/5168184276_5f292dd059_b.jpg
So what did we decide? Is the 17TS-E a sharp lens or not?
I don't know about Yakim but mine is plenty sharp for me.
Bigger version
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1312/5168184276_5f292dd059_b.jpg
Nov 28, 2010 at 12:19 AM
p.2 #1817mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
James Taylor wrote:
So what did we decide? Is the 17TS-E a sharp lens or not?
I've decided that this copy is not sharp.
Anyway, I've since decided that for that kind of money, I'd like the 24/3.5 II better. Mainly for its better close focusing ability (yes, I'm a macro nut. I also opted for the 85/2.8 PC instead of the 90/2.8 TS for this very same reason).
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
So what did we decide? Is the 17TS-E a sharp lens or not?
I've decided that this copy is not sharp.
Anyway, I've since decided that for that kind of money, I'd like the 24/3.5 II better. Mainly for its better close focusing ability (yes, I'm a macro nut. I also opted for the 85/2.8 PC instead of the 90/2.8 TS for this very same reason).
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Nov 28, 2010 at 01:53 AM
p.2 #1917mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
Wow! There is definitely something wrong with that 17 TS-E. 
I guess this one got past Canon's QC. 
I guess this one got past Canon's QC. Nov 28, 2010 at 02:21 AM
p.2 #2017mm shotout: 17/4 TS vs. 17-55/2.8 IS vs. 10-22/3.5-4.5
SoundHound wrote:
Mine is sharp!
+1 it's a sharp lens
Mine is sharp!
+1 it's a sharp lens
Nov 28, 2010 at 06:35 AM