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p.147 #3Leica R Series Lenses
Hi all and thanks to all who have responded to my query. Much appreciated!
@wilco23: I agree with you - if you pay that much for a lens, it better be (near) perfect. I know there is no such thing as perfection, since lens design is all about trade-offs. However and FWIW, even my 'lowly' Tele-Tessar 85/4 ZM has much more optimally shaped aperture blades.
As I stated in my previous post, my intended use of the A-E 180/2.8 is with the D800E. With such a high-res sensor, diffraction becomes noticeable at f/5.6 to f/8. Therefore, it is important to me that the lens is 'well behaved' at all apertures from wide open to f/11. Unfortunately, this seems to be the range where the ninja star issue on the A-E 180/2.8 is at its worst.
@Almass: you said "The 180/2.8 APO VII shows Ninja, albeit to a lesser extent that VI". Does this mean that you have a VII-version (P/N 11357, S/N ≥ 4000000)? If so, could you post images of what the aperture looks like @ f/4 and f/5.6?
Also, you said "I would not use a long Tele for backlit or front lit Macro shots anyway. I would use the 100/2.8 Macro on a tripod". I agree regarding macro - that's what I use my Makro-Planar 100/2 and 50/2 for. However, with nature photography, you often can't get close enough to the subject (still wishing for a magic carpet). Experience shows that I would use the APO-ELMARIT primarily near its close-focus limit, and shallow DOF (combined with pleasing bokeh) is one of the main reasons for me to use an 180mm f/2.8 lens in the first place.
TIA to all of you for any replies!
Ron
@wilco23: I agree with you - if you pay that much for a lens, it better be (near) perfect. I know there is no such thing as perfection, since lens design is all about trade-offs. However and FWIW, even my 'lowly' Tele-Tessar 85/4 ZM has much more optimally shaped aperture blades.
As I stated in my previous post, my intended use of the A-E 180/2.8 is with the D800E. With such a high-res sensor, diffraction becomes noticeable at f/5.6 to f/8. Therefore, it is important to me that the lens is 'well behaved' at all apertures from wide open to f/11. Unfortunately, this seems to be the range where the ninja star issue on the A-E 180/2.8 is at its worst.
@Almass: you said "The 180/2.8 APO VII shows Ninja, albeit to a lesser extent that VI". Does this mean that you have a VII-version (P/N 11357, S/N ≥ 4000000)? If so, could you post images of what the aperture looks like @ f/4 and f/5.6?
Also, you said "I would not use a long Tele for backlit or front lit Macro shots anyway. I would use the 100/2.8 Macro on a tripod". I agree regarding macro - that's what I use my Makro-Planar 100/2 and 50/2 for. However, with nature photography, you often can't get close enough to the subject (still wishing for a magic carpet). Experience shows that I would use the APO-ELMARIT primarily near its close-focus limit, and shallow DOF (combined with pleasing bokeh) is one of the main reasons for me to use an 180mm f/2.8 lens in the first place.
TIA to all of you for any replies!
Ron
Jan 30, 2013 at 07:36 AM
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p.147 #4Leica R Series Lenses
R50/1.4E55 with Fuji
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p.147 #5Leica R Series Lenses
Dear guys, maybe who need absolutely new unused
APO-TELYT-R 4/400: Lens R280/400/560 #3797818 (11841) E112 ROM, Focusing modul 4/400/560 #3754703 (11844) ROM + aluminium box + handle (14283)
I can transfer all this to EU or pickup from Russia. One of friend have it, and ask me to help find some Leica-R mega-maniac
Sorry for off-topic
APO-TELYT-R 4/400: Lens R280/400/560 #3797818 (11841) E112 ROM, Focusing modul 4/400/560 #3754703 (11844) ROM + aluminium box + handle (14283)
I can transfer all this to EU or pickup from Russia. One of friend have it, and ask me to help find some Leica-R mega-maniac
Sorry for off-topicJan 30, 2013 at 09:01 AM
p.147 #6Leica R Series Lenses
Worldinlens wrote:
ask me to help find some Leica-R mega-maniac
This thread name should change to Leica-R manic
ask me to help find some Leica-R mega-maniac
This thread name should change to Leica-R manic
Jan 30, 2013 at 09:27 AM
p.147 #7Leica R Series Lenses
Worldinlens wrote:
Dear guys, maybe who need absolutely new unused
APO-TELYT-R 4/400: Lens R280/400/560 #3797818 (11841) E112 ROM, Focusing modul 4/400/560 #3754703 (11844) ROM + aluminium box + handle (14283)
I can transfer all this to EU or pickup from Russia. One of friend have it, and ask me to help find some Leica-R mega-maniac Sorry for off-topic
You found me. This lens is #1 on my want list. Unfortunately my piggy bank can handle no more than a couple of SD cards
Dear guys, maybe who need absolutely new unused
APO-TELYT-R 4/400: Lens R280/400/560 #3797818 (11841) E112 ROM, Focusing modul 4/400/560 #3754703 (11844) ROM + aluminium box + handle (14283)
I can transfer all this to EU or pickup from Russia. One of friend have it, and ask me to help find some Leica-R mega-maniac
Sorry for off-topicYou found me. This lens is #1 on my want list. Unfortunately my piggy bank can handle no more than a couple of SD cards
Jan 30, 2013 at 11:21 AM
p.147 #8Leica R Series Lenses
telyt wrote:
APO-TELYT-R 4/400: Lens R280/400/560 #3797818 (11841) E112 ROM, Focusing modul 4/400/560 #3754703 (11844) ROM + aluminium box + handle (14283)
I can transfer all this to EU or pickup from Russia. One of friend have it, and ask me to help find some Leica-R mega-maniac Sorry for off-topicYou found me. This lens is #1 on my want list. Unfortunately my piggy bank can handle no more than a couple of SD cards
Doug,
It is a beautiful system. I had the opportunity as I have mentioned to use the larger modular system of the 400mm f2.8 and the 800mm 5.6. Leica USA was kind enough to loan me this system for a month in February of 1998. Outstanding performance. Now though, I opted for the f4 280mm Apo Telyt lens that you have and love. It is so much smaller, lighter and so much more compact with the 1.4X and 2X Apo extenders. And we are both aging.
Rich
Worldinlens wrote
Dear guys, maybe who need absolutely new unusedAPO-TELYT-R 4/400: Lens R280/400/560 #3797818 (11841) E112 ROM, Focusing modul 4/400/560 #3754703 (11844) ROM + aluminium box + handle (14283)
I can transfer all this to EU or pickup from Russia. One of friend have it, and ask me to help find some Leica-R mega-maniac
Sorry for off-topic Doug,
It is a beautiful system. I had the opportunity as I have mentioned to use the larger modular system of the 400mm f2.8 and the 800mm 5.6. Leica USA was kind enough to loan me this system for a month in February of 1998. Outstanding performance. Now though, I opted for the f4 280mm Apo Telyt lens that you have and love. It is so much smaller, lighter and so much more compact with the 1.4X and 2X Apo extenders. And we are both aging.
Rich
Jan 30, 2013 at 11:25 AM
p.147 #9Leica R Series Lenses
The 180 APO Elmarit's ninja-star shape can be seen in this photo if you look for it:
most often I don't see it:
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p.147 #10Leica R Series Lenses
telyt wrote:
APO-TELYT-R 4/400: Lens R280/400/560 #3797818 (11841) E112 ROM, Focusing modul 4/400/560 #3754703 (11844) ROM + aluminium box + handle (14283)
I can transfer all this to EU or pickup from Russia. One of friend have it, and ask me to help find some Leica-R mega-maniac Sorry for off-topicUnfortunately my piggy bank can handle no more than a couple of SD cards
You are not alone, Doug. Mine too, maybe a couple of CF cards... If serious, I don't expect that it to be quick sale
Worldinlens wrote
Dear guys, maybe who need absolutely new unusedAPO-TELYT-R 4/400: Lens R280/400/560 #3797818 (11841) E112 ROM, Focusing modul 4/400/560 #3754703 (11844) ROM + aluminium box + handle (14283)
I can transfer all this to EU or pickup from Russia. One of friend have it, and ask me to help find some Leica-R mega-maniac
Sorry for off-topic You are not alone, Doug. Mine too, maybe a couple of CF cards...
If serious, I don't expect that it to be quick saleJan 30, 2013 at 12:27 PM
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p.147 #11Leica R Series Lenses
Worldinlens wrote:
)))) I knows that you say this
Really, a small ninja on half-stop from WO, and at f/4 all clear. Fact.
Exactly like the 180/2.
)))) I knows that you say thisReally, a small ninja on half-stop from WO, and at f/4 all clear. Fact.
Exactly like the 180/2.
Jan 30, 2013 at 02:42 PM
p.147 #12Leica R Series Lenses
Hi all,
I was just able to purchase an APO-ELMARIT 180/2.8 with S/N 389xxxx at a good price. Below an image of the aperture of this lens at f/8. Looks good to me! Many thanks again for all your help!
Edit: I have the whole series from f/4 through f/11. They all look good. Die, Ninja!
Best,
Ron
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I was just able to purchase an APO-ELMARIT 180/2.8 with S/N 389xxxx at a good price. Below an image of the aperture of this lens at f/8. Looks good to me! Many thanks again for all your help!
Edit: I have the whole series from f/4 through f/11. They all look good. Die, Ninja!
Best,
Ron
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Jan 31, 2013 at 08:25 AM
p.147 #13Leica R Series Lenses
NB: I just received confirmation from Leica that the conversion of this lens (for 1.4x APO-TC compatibility) is no longer possible. They no longer have the replacement rear element in stock.
Jan 31, 2013 at 08:27 AM
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p.147 #14Leica R Series Lenses
Ron, from which f/? the ninja going to another galaxy and aperture's shape clear?
Jan 31, 2013 at 09:51 AM
p.147 #15Leica R Series Lenses
Worldinlens wrote:
Ron, from which f/? the ninja going to another galaxy and aperture's shape clear?
See edit in my previous post. I have images of all full stops from f/4 to f/11 - all good.
I'll post an image of the series...
Ron, from which f/? the ninja going to another galaxy and aperture's shape clear?
See edit in my previous post. I have images of all full stops from f/4 to f/11 - all good.
I'll post an image of the series...
Jan 31, 2013 at 10:32 AM
p.147 #16Leica R Series Lenses
Here's the image with the series from f/4 through f/11:
Jan 31, 2013 at 10:52 AM
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Ron Pfister wrote:
See edit in my previous post. I have images of all full stops from f/4 to f/11 - all good.
I'll post an image of the series...
Seems that this really lucky (with serial lens for 3000-4000$ from famous brand !!!
), especially considering voiced small statistics before.
For Win: buddy, if mine copy with same aperture as yours (your copy also 389xxxx as from Ron), I think I need understanding of the internal adjustment aperture's unit inside R180/2.8. Sure, that if the all parts inside similar and so - no any impossible things
P.S. But if the aperture blades has constant non-moving axis than only blade's shape affect this
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Worldinlens wrote
Ron, from which f/? the ninja going to another galaxy and aperture's shape clear?I'll post an image of the series...
Seems that this really lucky (with serial lens for 3000-4000$ from famous brand !!!
), especially considering voiced small statistics before. For Win: buddy, if mine copy with same aperture as yours (your copy also 389xxxx as from Ron), I think I need understanding of the internal adjustment aperture's unit inside R180/2.8. Sure, that if the all parts inside similar and so - no any impossible things
P.S. But if the aperture blades has constant non-moving axis than only blade's shape affect this
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Jan 31, 2013 at 11:07 AM
p.147 #18Leica R Series Lenses
I wonder if Leica actually changed the aperture assembly at some point *before* introducing P/N 11357. My lens is 3897xxx, and I know of 3895xxx examples that do exhibit 'Ninja Star'. Once I receive the lens, I will post images that show the shape of the aperture blades. Then we can compare...
Jan 31, 2013 at 11:25 AM
p.147 #19Leica R Series Lenses
If any of you guys are not happy with your AE 180, I am always willing to trade with my Lux 80 for it.... 
Jan 31, 2013 at 11:29 AM
p.147 #20Leica R Series Lenses
1st snap for testing Lux R 50 (E60) at f/5.6
The IQ reminds me of Lux M 50 ASPH....
Very happy...
The IQ reminds me of Lux M 50 ASPH....
Very happy...
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Jan 31, 2013 at 11:49 AM