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I shot a mount primarily for years. The cz 85, 135, 24-70, 16-35 and 24 were all fabulous lenses. The Minolta 80-200 2.8 HS and 200 2.8 are fantastic, while the Mino 85 1.4 is a great very good lens, even still, though to me hasn't quite aged as well.

I never shot the Mino 100 f2 nor the Mino 200 f4 macro, but neither of these lenses interest me.

I think the FE 16-35 is a good lens, but nothing crazy. Same with the FE 35 2.8. The 70-200 is the same-very competent, nothing spectacular. The 24-70 sucked badly. The FE 90 2.8 is relatively massive, and unappealing to me. The FE 35 1.4 seems impressive, but I like 28s, and also preferred the rendering of my Rx1 sonnar.

The FE 28 is very good, but has Sony coatings, and I find the colors not at all delicate and over saturated.

The new Batis lenses seem quite good, but I want a 21 or 28 batis. Ming said the 85 batis is a neutral lens, and I read that elsewhere, which is too bad though not killer.

But that's the problem with e-mount-you cherry pick the best lenses from the last 50 years, and the native lenses don't seem to have the magic, but they do have the convenience and are highly competent. But I find myself constantly going back to great lenses like the Mino 58 1.2, CZ 135 1.8, RX1 sonnar, Leica R 80 1.4, Minolta 80-200 2.8, 85L, CV 180/4, 16-35cz, and I fear the 85N....

But the bag gets too huge to carry all heavy non-native lenses+adapters

I have been curious about the sigma's for years...almost purchased several times--the colors and pixel level acuity is remarkable. I read a good interview on Ming's cite 2/3 days back, gives me hope sigma will keep up the camera game, but this time with something more "user freindly"
Aug 30, 2015 at 12:14 AM
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p.61 #2Contax N Image Thread
Last month I traveled to Lombok island - Indonesia and brought along side the 24-85. Although slows aperture, I was amazed of its clarity & saturation.

Thanks David @lenticular11 for the superb lens


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Oct 17, 2015 at 09:39 AM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
I shot a mount primarily for years. The cz 85, 135, 24-70, 16-35 and 24 were all fabulous lenses. The Minolta 80-200 2.8 HS and 200 2.8 are fantastic, while the Mino 85 1.4 is a great very good lens, even still, though to me hasn't quite aged as well.

I never shot the Mino 100 f2 nor the Mino 200 f4 macro, but neither of these lenses interest me.

I think the FE 16-35 is a good lens, but nothing crazy. Same with the FE 35 2.8. The 70-200 is the same-very competent, nothing spectacular. The 24-70 sucked badly.
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Have you tried the Fringer? With fast native lenses are coming together with eye-focus and face-recognition, it's hard to make a case for these lenses. From the pictures you sent me, I really like the N 85 draw, the best I have seen at 85 really. But if I have to manual focus it then I would rather go with the CZ 135 or Zeiss 135 APO.The fringer video shows quite quick AF speed, so I'm hopeful.
Oct 17, 2015 at 10:13 AM
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p.61 #4Contax N Image Thread
Still love shooting my N85/1.4. Works well on my 5DsR!
Oct 17, 2015 at 10:20 PM
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p.61 #5Contax N Image Thread
I received my copy of the Contax N 24-85 two days before leaving on a New York business trip. Pics of the setup here: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/982966/231#13236805 Given the nature and duration of the trip I brought only the 24-85 and Canon FD 35 TS with me. I felt a little naked without at least the Vario-Sonnar 35-70 as backup!

In short, I am very happy with the performance of the 24-85 at every focal length. Flare resistance is decent if not perfect. Sharpness is way more than adequate, colors are wonderful and many images exhibit the Zeiss pop. Distortion is negligible. On the downside the lens does not snap into focus nearly as easily as the 35-70. The 24-85 takes more time and use of magnification on the A7ii to nail critical focus. The Fringer adapter and autofocus might help, though I doubt it. At least manually focusing is smooth and ergonomically not unpleasant.

Note that I've worked over all these images with the exception of sharpening, which is at Lightroom defaults.
























Oct 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM
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hiepphotog wrote:
nehemiahphoto wroteI shot a mount primarily for years. The cz 85, 135, 24-70, 16-35 and 24 were all fabulous lenses. The Minolta 80-200 2.8 HS and 200 2.8 are fantastic, while the Mino 85 1.4 is a great very good lens, even still, though to me hasn't quite aged as well.

I never shot the Mino 100 f2 nor the Mino 200 f4 macro, but neither of these lenses interest me.

I think the FE 16-35 is a good lens, but nothing crazy. Same with the FE 35 2.8. The 70-200 is the same-very competent, nothing spectacular. The 24-70 sucked badly. The FE 90 2.8 is relatively massive, and unappealing to me. The FE 35 1.4 seems impressive, but I like 28s, and also preferred the rendering of my Rx1 sonnar.

The FE 28 is very good, but has Sony coatings, and I find the colors not at all delicate and over saturated.

The new Batis lenses seem quite good, but I want a 21 or 28 batis. Ming said the 85 batis is a neutral lens, and I read that elsewhere, which is too bad though not killer.

But that's the problem with e-mount-you cherry pick the best lenses from the last 50 years, and the native lenses don't seem to have the magic, but they do have the convenience and are highly competent. But I find myself constantly going back to great lenses like the Mino 58 1.2, CZ 135 1.8, RX1 sonnar, Leica R 80 1.4, Minolta 80-200 2.8, 85L, CV 180/4, 16-35cz, and I fear the 85N....

But the bag gets too huge to carry all heavy non-native lenses+adapters

I have been curious about the sigma's for years...almost purchased several times--the colors and pixel level acuity is remarkable. I read a good interview on Ming's cite 2/3 days back, gives me hope sigma will keep up the camera game, but this time with something more "user freindly"
Have you tried the Fringer? With fast native lenses are coming together with eye-focus and face-recognition, it's hard to make a case for these lenses. From the pictures you sent me, I really like the N 85 draw, the best I have seen at 85 really. But if I have to manual focus it then I would rather go with the CZ 135 or Zeiss 135 APO.The fringer video shows quite quick AF speed, so I'm hopeful.


Hey Hiep! Sorry for the slow response. Essentially, I haven't had the answer/experience I would like with the lens. After shooting it with the Kipon which constantly and randomly froze my a7, so I returned it to Adorama. I ordered the Fringer. The adapter is well made and worked well, except, at least on an a7, because of the AF system, the AF was unusable, even on high contrast static subjects at 1.4 and f2. Customer service was excellent, and I sent the adapter back for a full refund. If I had an A7rii, I think the lens would be spectacular. I read the AF is better the the Contax N50, which is pretty decent if you watch their promo video. I also read it's faster than the 85L II. I believe it--even though the AF couldn't lock on at all, the lens went from infinity to MFD quickly.

As for if it's justified, that really depends. Purely on price, I don't think, realistically, I can "justify" a lens like the Leica 80 R versus a Canon 85L FD at nearly treble the price. Same with the Contax 85N versus a Batis. And honestly, I would not opt to use the N85 as a general 85mm lens--it's very good, optically but an Otus, Batis, or ZA 85 1.4 is a technically better lens. Having said all that, if you want a true portrait lens (like me), I found the N85 and Leica 80R to be the best portrait lenses, the Contax 100 Sonnar , ZA 135 1.8, and Mino 58 1.2 a tier just below, and the 85L and ZA 85 1.4 below these.

I find the N85 to have tremendously rich colors, especially greens, without looking overly saturated or unbalanced. It has a marvelously smooth drawing with a perfect balance of sharpness. The lens has fabulous bokeh and unlike Ziess' other Sonnar--reminds more of a Biotar or the Contarex 80 f2 I owned. It has the perfect fall off in sharpness in the corners and vignetting. I feel the tonal range in shadows/darks of the lens are especially nuanced and really give photos a specific and gorgeous dimensionality. Overall, I was shocked by how good the lens actually is for portraiture--files are seriously gorgeous. It's very good as a general lens too. So, not sure where that leaves you. I am a bit of a fiend when it comes to these lenses, and even though I can't actually use the 85N currently. I'll be keeping it. It's the only lens I have I can't actively shoot I have noticed because of focus transition, and bokeh, even WO, everything feels like it's in the same photo. With the Canon 85L or ZA, the WO rendering can feel like the subject was pasted on a plan of bokeh. One isn't better, but I found the N85 distinct in this sense. I have read the CY and ZF 35 1.4's parallel this relationship, despite being spec'ed the same.

I actually have an Leice 80 R on order, so I'll shoot these two head to head and keep only one. But if you're going to need AF, I don't think there's a lens as good as the N85, though others are cheaper/smaller/more practical. I like the Batis files I have seen, and overall it's a better corrected lens, like the ZA, but it's looks like it lacks the magic of the N85.
Oct 18, 2015 at 12:33 PM
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p.61 #7Contax N Image Thread
nehemiahphoto wrote:
hiepphotog wrote
nehemiahphoto wroteI shot a mount primarily for years. The cz 85, 135, 24-70, 16-35 and 24 were all fabulous lenses. The Minolta 80-200 2.8 HS and 200 2.8 are fantastic, while the Mino 85 1.4 is a great very good lens, even still, though to me hasn't quite aged as well.

I never shot the Mino 100 f2 nor the Mino 200 f4 macro, but neither of these lenses interest me.

I think the FE 16-35 is a good lens, but nothing crazy. Same with the FE 35 2.8. The 70-200 is the same-very competent, nothing spectacular. The 24-70 sucked badly. The FE 90 2.8 is relatively massive, and unappealing to me. The FE 35 1.4 seems impressive, but I like 28s, and also preferred the rendering of my Rx1 sonnar.

The FE 28 is very good, but has Sony coatings, and I find the colors not at all delicate and over saturated.

The new Batis lenses seem quite good, but I want a 21 or 28 batis. Ming said the 85 batis is a neutral lens, and I read that elsewhere, which is too bad though not killer.

But that's the problem with e-mount-you cherry pick the best lenses from the last 50 years, and the native lenses don't seem to have the magic, but they do have the convenience and are highly competent. But I find myself constantly going back to great lenses like the Mino 58 1.2, CZ 135 1.8, RX1 sonnar, Leica R 80 1.4, Minolta 80-200 2.8, 85L, CV 180/4, 16-35cz, and I fear the 85N....

But the bag gets too huge to carry all heavy non-native lenses+adapters

I have been curious about the sigma's for years...almost purchased several times--the colors and pixel level acuity is remarkable. I read a good interview on Ming's cite 2/3 days back, gives me hope sigma will keep up the camera game, but this time with something more "user freindly"
Have you tried the Fringer? With fast native lenses are coming together with eye-focus and face-recognition, it's hard to make a case for these lenses. From the pictures you sent me, I really like the N 85 draw, the best I have seen at 85 really. But if I have to manual focus it then I would rather go with the CZ 135 or Zeiss 135 APO.The fringer video shows quite quick AF speed, so I'm hopeful.
Hey Hiep! Sorry for the slow response. Essentially, I haven't had the answer/experience I would like with the lens. After shooting it with the Kipon which constantly and randomly froze my a7, so I returned it to Adorama. I ordered the Fringer. The adapter is well made and worked well, except, at least on an a7, because of the AF system, the AF was unusable, even on high contrast static subjects at 1.4 and f2. Customer service was excellent, and I sent the adapter back for a full refund. If I had an A7rii, I think the lens would be
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To be honest, I'm looking for a portrait lens purely for photographing my kid. AF is crucial in this respect. And I'm all for the special rendition for this purpose (at least that's what I'm telling my wife) . I'm not after smooth blob (Minolta/Sony 135 STF) nor am I after the typical neutral/busy Zeiss bokeh. This Contax seems to be the best of both worlds. AF is still a big question though. Do let me know when you have a chance to try it on the A7RII.

I don't know, maybe when Sony release their 135 1.8 SSM, my problem would be solved. Or when I just make stupid decision like getting the Mitakon 135/1.4 .
Oct 18, 2015 at 01:10 PM
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p.61 #8Contax N Image Thread
wayne seltzer wrote:
Still love shooting my N85/1.4. Works well on my 5DsR!


Pics or it didn't happen Wayne
Oct 18, 2015 at 05:34 PM
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nehemiahphoto wrote:
wayne seltzer wroteStill love shooting my N85/1.4. Works well on my 5DsR!
Pics or it didn't happen Wayne


Just a few from my last trip, these with N 85/1.4



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Oct 19, 2015 at 03:19 AM
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p.61 #10Contax N Image Thread
Bump to the front page!
Dec 03, 2015 at 10:01 AM
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p.61 #11Contax N Image Thread
Nice work Wayne and Fred!

These two are from Iceland, January 2013.






N 24-85 on Canon 5D Mk III







N 70-300 on Canon 5D Mk III

Dec 03, 2015 at 04:48 PM
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p.61 #12Contax N Image Thread
Thanks David!
Nice shots from Iceland!
A place I hope to get to sometime soon!
Dec 03, 2015 at 09:58 PM
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p.61 #13Contax N Image Thread
wayne seltzer wrote:
Bump to the front page!


YAY! TYVM Wayne.
Dec 04, 2015 at 01:09 AM
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p.61 #14Contax N Image Thread
Here are a couple shot this week with the a7R2, 24-85, and Kipon adapter.


Dec 04, 2015 at 01:11 AM
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lenticular11 wrote:
Nice work Wayne and Fred!

These two are from Iceland, January 2013.


Jeez it looks cold there.
Dec 04, 2015 at 01:13 AM
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p.61 #16Contax N Image Thread
From memory it was about 4 deg C without any wind chill.
A fabulous country - this was on the Reykjanes Peninsula to the west of Reykjavik.
Dec 04, 2015 at 02:59 AM
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p.61 #17Contax N Image Thread
Here's a quick 3-horizontal-handheld-frames pano stitched in PSCC and shot with ZCN 24-85 (at 24) and a7R2. My wife in the kitchen said something about interesting light in the backyard, I walked out the front door, came back quickly to grab my camera and bingo!, there it was.


FWIW, the fringer adapter arrived today--rather quickly--and I'm still trying to get manual focusing running well with the a7R2. More later.

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Dec 11, 2015 at 12:08 AM
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Here's another shot with the a7R2, (borrowed) Kipon adapter (which seems to have disappeared from the marketplace) and, this time, the 70-200. There's certainly nothing artful about this--I just like the way it looks. These Zeiss lenses certainly have personality, huh?!?!

Dec 11, 2015 at 12:17 AM
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Hey guys,
I ordered a second kipon adapter, but it still freezes my a7 often. It doesn't seem ISO, shutter speed or aperture related.

I updated the firmware on my a7 to version 2.0 but this didn't help.

I tried formatting my memory card, but this didn't help.
I am shooting on "A" mode. Also tried shooting full manual to no avail. I am adjusting aperture by the wheel directly right of the "C2" button while the lens is set to 1.4. I am shooting only the 85 N. I couldn't find any similar issue except one page on Flickr saying he
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I have exactly the same problem with a new Kipon C/N-S/E E adapter on an A7R with the CN 24-85. Can get 2-3 shots off and then it freezes. Wait a few seconds and try again or yank battery to reset. A very unpleasant shooting experience. It is going back to Adorama. Exposure, focus and exif recording are fine when it works, but just not reliable.
Dec 11, 2015 at 07:10 PM
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A7 II + N24-85

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Dec 12, 2015 at 12:13 AM
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