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p.15 #1 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


"Mardel - I think it's a basic case of over promising under delivering...something I would never do to my clients and would expect a business to not to do its customers

Todd Warnke - I agree 100%"

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Feb 24, 2010 at 09:32 PM
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p.15 #2 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


we'll see how under delivered it really is when people are happily using it.


Feb 24, 2010 at 09:36 PM
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p.15 #3 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


chadlh - I hope you understand what I meant by under delivered...I'm sure if an when the Einstein is released it will be a terrific light for a lot of people...but It was December, then January, then February...these were all expected times the product was going to be shipping...that is all I was referring to...


Feb 24, 2010 at 10:45 PM
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p.15 #4 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


I'll go through this one more time, at the cost of getting slammed for "dodging blame" and being called arrogant, eccentric and a foolish business person.

I am accustomed to having 100% control over my designs and products, and have a good record of projecting my work outcome in terms of time frames and performance. They were all (except for RR1) and Compuscene) all analog, and they for the most part set the stage in 1986 for the modern monolight offered by competitors.

I designed Einstein, Cyber Commander and CyberSync in 2007. After hiring the now-infamous Chad Pryson to assist my Chief Engineer, Mike Morgan with the digital programming aspects, which are not in my are of expertise, I soon found Chad was nowhere near up to the task. So I turned to a consulting company - one very good at all things digital, to do the programming, some of the rf and circuit board layout, etc. In the process, the consulting firm thought they had ideas on how to employ switching power supplies as a means of achieving better efficiency and the avoidance on the need for pure sine inverters. I had long earlier successfuly protyped and tested the IGBT flashtube and the current power supplies, and done all the mechanical designs and molded housing designs . . . molds and metal parts have been made for well over a year.

I worked with them, and with a power supply engineer on their staff for about a year. There developed a good degree of professional jealousy during this time between myself and the power supply designer over what would work and what wouldn't. I deferred to their expertise on the issue and let them do their thing. But In the end, I was correct and they were never able to deliver a power supply that came close to the requirements.

At that point, I was under attack from forums for delays in what should have taken 4-6 months to complete, so I designed a scaled down "AB Max", employing the portions of the switching power supply that they claimed were solved and workable. Time proved that the scaled power supply design was not even up to the standards I demanded. (I actually have a near-production-ready ABMax, but I concluded it was, again, not nearly close enough for me to put my name on it and ship it.) So I declared an end to the idea of using a switching supply at all, and designed and prototyped the Einstein that will ship soon, using my design for an analog global power supply, and very sophisticated modeling lamp control and many other refinements. This effort took sixty days and was concluded last October.

I instructed the consultant to follow my analog core design to the letter and to simply do the pc board layouts, following my specific layout and package requirements, and to reprogram the ABMAx control uP board to the new requirements. A two month timeframe was allotted for this fairly straight forward work and a late 2009 schedule was established.

I have been pushing them almost daily since October to complete this work on the agreed scheduled and every week I have gotten board layouts with errors and incomplete programming. Dr. Morgan has been almost daily finding bugs introduced by the consultant and I have been doing the same.

As of last week, we had found and corrected all the bugs and felt we were a few days from doing the first per-production small run. I have been testing a completely packaged Einstein for over a month with excellent results. Most of the bugs have involved transient voltages when operating at 240V and the subsequent substitution of higher voltage/current components. (Our October prototypes used all through hole components and have worked flawlessly since they day we built it - with about a half million flashes on it.

In the conversion to surface mount components required for the final production the consultant did not do a great job of cross converting some of the through hole components to SMT parts. It goes like this: "Mike and Paul, here is this weeks's iteration - we have tested it it and it looks good." After Mike and I get our hands on it we find it doesn't work as well as they thought . . . this diode had to be changed, this resistor doesn't have sufficient power rating, etc."

To the credit of the consultant, they are sensation on digital and programming, but fall short on the analog and power circuit design that both Mike and I are expert in. This whole episode also proves that I am not expert at projecting the work of others outside my employee base.

So enough of this. The hopefully final circuit board designs are going to our Kansas robotic assembly partner this week. They will build a dozen or so and we will thoroughly test them and, if everything is as now indicated, we will be ready to produce the first run. I depend heavily on Dr Morgan for much of the bench work, and his unexpected seizure has put an additional burden on myself on on the rest of my technical staff

So there it its - the good, the bad and the ugly. I believe our very supportive customer base will accept these realities and I'm sure the few armchair critics will have a field day with judgements of me, of my company, my methods, my wide open communications, my marketing methods, my age, my red hair and anything else that brings them such joy.

Like it or not, I am not the typical corporation owner/executiveor CEO. I am a human being with a dedicated staff of 45 who believes in honesty, the Golden Rule and very open communications . . . and my company still has around 65% of the USA market. By the way, don't expect any runaway acceleration or braking problems and take my word I am doing everything I can to avoid any recalls or customer disappointments. To those who think I ought to act more like the CEO of IBM, this ain't IBM and proudly never will be.

Your turn - have a ball




Feb 24, 2010 at 10:54 PM
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p.15 #5 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


I, for one, have my pre-order in and I am very patiently waiting. I would rather have something good than fast. There is a saying in software development... "You can have it Good, Fast, or Cheap. Pick two" I think that in product design you probably only get to pick one.

Am I a little bit frustrated? Sure. However a year from now, if these things work like we hope, the discussion will not be how late they were, but how great they are. Paul, keep up the good work and thanks for being such an informative and sharing person in these forums. I have learn so much about flash, just from reading your replys. I fine myself seeking them out, just to see if there is a new little tidbit to learn.

Just my 2 pennys worth...



Feb 25, 2010 at 12:00 AM
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p.15 #6 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


I dont know neuf I think Paul could go 2 for 3. If it does everything it is supposed to do then it will be very good and it will be cheap for the price he is quoting.




Feb 25, 2010 at 02:16 AM
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p.15 #7 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


Paul:

Mike's seizure will be nothing compared to the seizure you will experience if your product is bad when it comes out. There is an old saying in the Aerospace business : " The stink of a bad product lasts much longer than the bitter taste of a late delivery." Make it right Paul, no matter how long it takes.



Feb 25, 2010 at 07:54 AM
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p.15 #8 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


I think you're doing the best you can, Paul. I'd rather not have people pushed until they drop. I mean, these are just strobes. Some of us need to get a grip. I don't normally buy the first units of a new model from anybody (including Nikon), but after reading your explanations I am comfortable buying from your first batch. They'll come when they come. Meanwhile I have seven of your other flash to use, and they are doing the job. I've never had one of your products fail on me, despite the very unorthodox and tough conditions I use them in.

In below photo you can see a B1600 plus a Vagabond battery pack out on duty for three hours during a Dakota blizzard. On top of my camera is a CST trigger. This is the way I typically use this equipment. It has held up and performed perfectly.


Kent in SD

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/duckgrabber/tripod.jpg



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Feb 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM
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p.15 #9 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


Thanks for the details Paul. The engineering info was particularly interesting to me (I've done HW/SW for a while now, so I know that every project has surprises It's a lot worse in terms of cost if a hardware bug gets out into the field (something like 10x the cost of a delay and fixing it before it gets shipped...I've been sent out to the field to hunt problems down), so it's better to do more testing, beta testing w/ guinea pigs, etc. to find them.
Hope Mike is doing well...



Feb 25, 2010 at 10:46 AM
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p.15 #10 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


Paul Buff wrote:
I am a human being with a dedicated staff of 45 who believes in honesty, the Golden Rule and very open communications . . .


i wish more companies/ceos were like this.

typical responses like, "what problem?" or "what delay" may be the status quo, but imho, seem to put everyone in a adversarial position.




Feb 25, 2010 at 01:49 PM
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p.15 #11 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


Paul does a job with 45 people that most companies employ 100's to do just so prices are low. And then he comes on here and lays it out for everyone and answers questions from the public in the public. You cannot get that anywhere. He is honest, they had design problems and waited on a product which is better than releasing a faulty product. I am an Industrial Technology teacher by day and spend 5 days a week teaching basic engineering philosophy to students and let me tell you that the PCB company is quite the model. He will fix the problem and release a great product when he feels ready and plenty of people will buy it.
Keep up the good work Paul.



Feb 25, 2010 at 04:27 PM
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p.15 #12 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


The above comments are nothing close to representing how a successful business effectively controls the release of information that not only keeps prospective customers informed and excited, but also promotes the integrity and reputation of the brand.

Comments such as: "Gee whiz, what a great human being you are to come here and grace us with your presence," are nothing short of ignorance. Based on the specs Paul has related, it sounds like it will be a fine product, but announcing product availability and repeatedly missing those deadlines is not a virtue. As others have mentioned on this thread, Paul would better serves his business, customers, and future customers if he simply released information once the product is available to ship. I know he can't help himself and that's not going to change, but don't delude yourself into thinking that he's doing you or himself a favor by consistently being wrong about deadlines and blaming other people. That's simply not how good business is conducted.



Feb 25, 2010 at 07:18 PM
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p.15 #13 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


Deezie wrote:
don't delude yourself into thinking that he's doing you or himself a favor by consistently being wrong about deadlines and blaming other people. That's simply not how good business is conducted.


exactly!



Feb 25, 2010 at 07:56 PM
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Deezie wrote:
The above comments are nothing close to representing how a successful business effectively controls the release of information that not only keeps prospective customers informed and excited, but also promotes the integrity and reputation of the brand.

Comments such as: "Gee whiz, what a great human being you are to come here and grace us with your presence," are nothing short of ignorance. Based on the specs Paul has related, it sounds like it will be a fine product, but announcing product availability and repeatedly missing those deadlines is not a virtue. As others have mentioned on this thread, Paul would
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I don't get why you need to crucify him? If you dislike it that much then just take your business elsewhere?

That's what I have done (sold my AB's and moved to Eli) except I don't go out putting him down every opportunity there is

End of the day he can run his business however he wants. I have no idea why we need to discuss business ethics/procedures in a lighting forum.



Feb 25, 2010 at 08:00 PM
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Deezie wrote:
The above comments are nothing close to representing how a successful business effectively controls the release of information...


Is that a rule? I hope Paul learns from your post so that his company can become successful.



Feb 25, 2010 at 10:23 PM
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p.15 #16 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


I'd like to see how the naysayers would do in Paul's shoes.

It's so easy to throw stones, let's see what those folks have created under similar circumstances.

As stated, don't like it, vote with your dollars. Talk is cheap, criticism is even cheaper.



Feb 25, 2010 at 10:27 PM
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p.15 #17 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


Deezie wrote:
The above comments are nothing close to representing how a successful business effectively controls the release of information that not only keeps prospective customers informed and excited, but also promotes the integrity and reputation of the brand.

Comments such as: "Gee whiz, what a great human being you are to come here and grace us with your presence," are nothing short of ignorance. Based on the specs Paul has related, it sounds like it will be a fine product, but announcing product availability and repeatedly missing those deadlines is not a virtue. As others have mentioned on this thread, Paul would
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I agree with Deezie! That is not how I would run a business.

But King Laup is crazy like a fox. The fanboys (bee-boiz?) seem to love the soap opera. But I do find all the "Oh Paul you are awesome and your products are so amazing" posts to be a little tiresome

While I'm waiting for my Einstein I'll keep buying/renting Profoto gear. Shot another ad yesterday using a Profoto pack/head with a Large PCB PLM. A very good combination.



Feb 25, 2010 at 11:02 PM
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p.15 #18 · Einsteins 640....Dec??


The same reason we waste time reading and responding to so many other threads - it's easier than taking pictures.



ehor wrote:
End of the day he can run his business however he wants. I have no idea why we need to discuss business ethics/procedures in a lighting forum.




Feb 26, 2010 at 12:40 AM
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I like the fact that he is very open/transparent with his customers. He has found a niche in the market and, for the price point, makes a very good product. Kudos to him.

The only thing that tends to annoy me a bit (and perhaps this is just a personal pet peeve) is Paul's tendency to use his openness as "both a sword and a shield", as it were. On one hand, he proclaims that it's what makes the company different, unique, successful, etc. Any reasonably intelligent adult knows that (especially on the intarwebs), that is going to leave you open to a certain amount of criticism. Presumably Paul, having decided that this is the way he is going to run his company and again, this is what make him different, successful, etc. would simply take that in stride.

But he doesn't. Despite intentionally putting himself in this position, he seems all to eager to play the role of the victim and the sacrificial lamb at any point he receives any criticism whatsoever.

Don't get me wrong, I think that, for the money you are asked to pay, you get a good product from Paul. And I like that he is willing to be forthright and honest about timelines, delivery dates, etc. It is new, refreshing, and different. But know that "putting yourself out there" is not a risk-free proposition and take the criticism in stride without reacting every time someone on the internet says something you don't like.

Just my $.02.



Feb 26, 2010 at 09:49 AM
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As others have mentioned on this thread, Paul would better serves his business, customers, and future customers if he simply released information once the product is available to ship. I know he can't help himself and that's not going to change, but don't delude yourself into thinking that he's doing you or himself a favor by consistently being wrong about deadlines and blaming other people. That's simply not how good business is conducted.

There seems to be even more kvetching and forum space wasted on companies that do run "good business" as you suggest and don't release information until the product is ready to ship (or, presumably, when they think it is). Witness all the forum space on "3D" predictions for about two years prior to the announcement of the 5D2, and all the predictions that every rebate and price fluctuation somehow means the release of a new model is imminent.

There will always be some segment who are going to kvetch no matter how a company runs its business, but for my part, I still prefer more information than less. Knowing Buff is planning to release a new model as soon as he can is better than buying a current model now with no clue that a new model is imminent.



Feb 26, 2010 at 10:42 AM
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