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Archive 2009Trying to avoid the 17/4
p.2 #1Trying to avoid the 17/4
mMontag wrote:
The drama of the 17 - the "WOW' factor - best reveals itself with a full frame field of view.
At last. Voice of reason. As I don't have FF and don't plan to have it anytime soon, this lens will be worthless for me.
Yeah, right.......
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
The drama of the 17 - the "WOW' factor - best reveals itself with a full frame field of view.
At last. Voice of reason. As I don't have FF and don't plan to have it anytime soon, this lens will be worthless for me.
Yeah, right.......
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Oct 19, 2009 at 03:53 AM
p.2 #2Trying to avoid the 17/4
In a way, crop sensor actually has more to gain with the shift.
Note how cropped sensors have more to gain from shifting than full frame sensors. For panoramas, one can achieve dramatically wide aspect ratios of 2:1 and 3:1 for full frame and cropped sensors, respectively, with substantially more resolution.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/tilt-shift-lenses1.htm
I'm not helping am I?
Note how cropped sensors have more to gain from shifting than full frame sensors. For panoramas, one can achieve dramatically wide aspect ratios of 2:1 and 3:1 for full frame and cropped sensors, respectively, with substantially more resolution.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/tilt-shift-lenses1.htm
I'm not helping am I?
Oct 19, 2009 at 04:05 AM
p.2 #3Trying to avoid the 17/4
Devil's advocate, cast yourself from my eyes! You almost got me but no. More resolution is not something that bothers me. Write no more and be gone for good, before you think of something which can be really tempting......
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Oct 19, 2009 at 04:23 AM
p.2 #4Trying to avoid the 17/4
Yakim Peled wrote:
At last. Voice of reason. As I don't have FF and don't plan to have it anytime soon, this lens will be worthless for me.
That is actually a good point! I have a similar nemesis, the Sigma 300-800. I've saved every cent I made through photography for it, and I could indeed just go and buy it today. Like, right now. But somehow I'm afraid that if I buy it, nothing will be left that I can agonize about. And save for. And do yet more research on. I found that at least I need one or two dream lenses in my future.
Maybe that can be the 17/4 for you, for a while?
Antje
At last. Voice of reason. As I don't have FF and don't plan to have it anytime soon, this lens will be worthless for me.
That is actually a good point! I have a similar nemesis, the Sigma 300-800. I've saved every cent I made through photography for it, and I could indeed just go and buy it today. Like, right now. But somehow I'm afraid that if I buy it, nothing will be left that I can agonize about. And save for. And do yet more research on. I found that at least I need one or two dream lenses in my future.
Maybe that can be the 17/4 for you, for a while?Antje
Oct 19, 2009 at 09:36 AM
p.2 #5Trying to avoid the 17/4
I don't know. Dreams are great fun but the nicest part of them should be to materialize them, no?
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Oct 19, 2009 at 10:01 AM
p.2 #6Trying to avoid the 17/4
yakim, i have seen your work. regardless of which way you go im sure your results will still be phenomenal.
Oct 19, 2009 at 11:37 AM
p.2 #7Trying to avoid the 17/4
As a voice of temptation, I really enjoy the extra dimensions of creativity that the 17 TS-E provides, especially on a high resolution full frame. You start off with a really great wide angle lens, with low geometric distortion. You then add tilt and shift that allow new ways to see and record subjects. And then you have a nice "old style" manual focus ring that has lots of turn angle, and even a depth of field scale. So I really think you should consider both a 5D mkII and a 17 TS-E, to fully appreciate the freedom it will give you.
And besides actually using the gear, there is that other side of things that I know drives me, which is the incredible technology in the equipment, and a very nice execution of everything in the actual look and feel and user interface. I admit to being a gear head as well as enjoying making images.
And did you know that if you are going to eventually give in and get some hardware, it is lots more fun to get it sooner, and get that much more enjoyment and productivity from it, than it is to wait.
And besides actually using the gear, there is that other side of things that I know drives me, which is the incredible technology in the equipment, and a very nice execution of everything in the actual look and feel and user interface. I admit to being a gear head as well as enjoying making images.
And did you know that if you are going to eventually give in and get some hardware, it is lots more fun to get it sooner, and get that much more enjoyment and productivity from it, than it is to wait.
Oct 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM
p.2 #8Trying to avoid the 17/4
rogie wrote:
yakim, i have seen your work. regardless of which way you go im sure your results will still be phenomenal.
Much obliged for the compliment.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
yakim, i have seen your work. regardless of which way you go im sure your results will still be phenomenal.
Much obliged for the compliment.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Oct 20, 2009 at 12:18 AM
p.2 #9Trying to avoid the 17/4
Roland W wrote:
As a voice of temptation, I really enjoy the extra dimensions of creativity that the 17 TS-E provides, especially on a high resolution full frame. You start off with a really great wide angle lens, with low geometric distortion. You then add tilt and shift that allow new ways to see and record subjects. And then you have a nice "old style" manual focus ring that has lots of turn angle, and even a depth of field scale. So I really think you should consider both a 5D mkII and a 17 TS-E, to fully appreciate the freedom it...Show more →
Undoubtedly, 5D2 + 17TS is the best way to go but not surprisingly, it's also the most expensive.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
As a voice of temptation, I really enjoy the extra dimensions of creativity that the 17 TS-E provides, especially on a high resolution full frame. You start off with a really great wide angle lens, with low geometric distortion. You then add tilt and shift that allow new ways to see and record subjects. And then you have a nice "old style" manual focus ring that has lots of turn angle, and even a depth of field scale. So I really think you should consider both a 5D mkII and a 17 TS-E, to fully appreciate the freedom it...Show more →
Undoubtedly, 5D2 + 17TS is the best way to go but not surprisingly, it's also the most expensive.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Oct 20, 2009 at 12:22 AM
p.2 #10Trying to avoid the 17/4
Yakim,
With that lens and your talent, I'm sure you could go out the first day of the lens' arrival, snap one shot, sell it in a gallery for exactly $2499, and every photo afterward would be just for you.
With that lens and your talent, I'm sure you could go out the first day of the lens' arrival, snap one shot, sell it in a gallery for exactly $2499, and every photo afterward would be just for you.
Oct 20, 2009 at 12:25 AM
p.2 #11Trying to avoid the 17/4
python2000 wrote:
Yakim,
With that lens and your talent, I'm sure you could go out the first day of the lens' arrival, snap one shot, sell it in a gallery for exactly $2499, and every photo afterward would be just for you.
I'm starting to blush from all these compliments but truth must be told that I haven't sold even a single picture. I don't even know how to do it.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Yakim,
With that lens and your talent, I'm sure you could go out the first day of the lens' arrival, snap one shot, sell it in a gallery for exactly $2499, and every photo afterward would be just for you.
I'm starting to blush from all these compliments but truth must be told that I haven't sold even a single picture. I don't even know how to do it.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Oct 20, 2009 at 02:02 AM
p.2 #12Trying to avoid the 17/4
I have the TS-E 17 for a while now and absolutely love it. It opens up so many possibilities for architecture photography. Especially living in a city like Hong Kong. Next to the tilt function which I mainly use now its draw is the sharpness. Every time I use my 17-40 I have to double check whether I actually misfocussed. The difference is that big.
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Oct 20, 2009 at 06:48 AM
p.2 #13Trying to avoid the 17/4
10X but currently I'm not very interested in panoramas.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Oct 20, 2009 at 06:51 AM
p.2 #14Trying to avoid the 17/4
Yakim Peled wrote:
10X but currently I'm not very interested in panoramas.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
I was just correcting my post after reading your opening post...
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10X but currently I'm not very interested in panoramas.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
I was just correcting my post after reading your opening post...
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Oct 20, 2009 at 06:52 AM
p.2 #15Trying to avoid the 17/4
ViscaB wrote:
Happy shooting,
Yakim.I was just correcting my post after reading your opening post...
Always a good idea to read the OP.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Yakim Peled wrote
10X but currently I'm not very interested in panoramas.Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Always a good idea to read the OP.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Oct 20, 2009 at 06:58 AM
p.2 #16Trying to avoid the 17/4
Yakim Peled wrote:
Happy shooting,
Yakim.I was just correcting my post after reading your opening post...Always a good idea to read the OP.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
True:.
The great option you have as well is to stitch three shots in vertical shifts to come to a portrait image. You shouldn't limit yourself
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ViscaB wrote
Yakim Peled wrote
10X but currently I'm not very interested in panoramas.Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
True
:.The great option you have as well is to stitch three shots in vertical shifts to come to a portrait image. You shouldn't limit yourself
.Oct 20, 2009 at 07:02 AM
p.2 #17Trying to avoid the 17/4
Yakim,
I'm not a big wide angle shooter myself but rented a 24 TSE II for my trip to Cambodia. It was on my 5D most of the time. I was "seduced" by how you're able to play around with depth of field and the ability to correct distortion.
I'm still on the fence if I need to purchase such a specialty lens. Not sure if you have the option to rent to get the "lust" out of the way.
My two cents.
Voltaire
I'm not a big wide angle shooter myself but rented a 24 TSE II for my trip to Cambodia. It was on my 5D most of the time. I was "seduced" by how you're able to play around with depth of field and the ability to correct distortion.
I'm still on the fence if I need to purchase such a specialty lens. Not sure if you have the option to rent to get the "lust" out of the way.
My two cents.
Voltaire
Oct 20, 2009 at 07:04 AM
p.2 #18Trying to avoid the 17/4
What I mean is the following. Two images stitched.
Abusing the wide angle (trying to capture a 300m building from nearby) with 3 images stitched.
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Abusing the wide angle (trying to capture a 300m building from nearby) with 3 images stitched.
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Oct 20, 2009 at 07:05 AM
p.2 #19Trying to avoid the 17/4
I'm currently on Linux and have no idea if any of the SW available to it can stitch. BTW, the coloured image is great.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Oct 20, 2009 at 07:08 AM
p.2 #20Trying to avoid the 17/4
Since the images align you don't need fancy software. Blending is also hardly needed.
Oct 20, 2009 at 07:11 AM