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p.59 #1Canon EOS 7D Master thread
python2000 wrote:
Please don't give them any ideas. They've had a rough time with complacency lately, so let's keep spurring them on instead of letting them sit on their laurels!
I think the 7D, far from completing the lineup, is actually the strongest indication that we will finally see an "affordable" full frame with better-than-xxD features, a.k.a. the 3D. Before this it was all speculation and wishful thinking based on nothing tangible in the Canon lineup. Now Canon have shown they are willing to trickle down features traditionally considered pro level features into cameras other than the 1-series, which they've been very reluctant to do in the past. 3D might finally be coming.+1^19 Amen!Isn't 1^19 the same as 1?
I think he means 1e19
cameron12x wrote
Yohan Pamudji wrote
Brit-007 wrote
I think it is obvious that Canon has now completed their line up.I think the 7D, far from completing the lineup, is actually the strongest indication that we will finally see an "affordable" full frame with better-than-xxD features, a.k.a. the 3D. Before this it was all speculation and wishful thinking based on nothing tangible in the Canon lineup. Now Canon have shown they are willing to trickle down features traditionally considered pro level features into cameras other than the 1-series, which they've been very reluctant to do in the past. 3D might finally be coming.
I think he means 1e19
Sep 18, 2009 at 10:01 AM
p.59 #2Canon EOS 7D Master thread
rd4tile wrote:
Hurry up already, Canon!
I freely admit to that. I can't wait to slap the 400 f5.6 on, go on my back deck and shoot away, that's my version of therapy!
I hope those AF zones work as advertised!
Indeed. I also have a 400 F5.6 L that I'm anxious to try out for a variety of subject matter with the 7D!
thedigitalbean wrote:
Please don't give them any ideas. They've had a rough time with complacency lately, so let's keep spurring them on instead of letting them sit on their laurels!
I think the 7D, far from completing the lineup, is actually the strongest indication that we will finally see an "affordable" full frame with better-than-xxD features, a.k.a. the 3D. Before this it was all speculation and wishful thinking based on nothing tangible in the Canon lineup. Now Canon have shown they are willing to trickle down features traditionally considered pro level features into cameras other than the 1-series, which they've been very reluctant to do in the past. 3D might finally be coming.+1^19 Amen!Isn't 1^19 the same as 1?I think he means 1e19
I'm actually just hoping that all 19 cross-type AF sensors work as advertised!
cameron12x wrote
Ok, let's admit it... For many of us who have already pre-ordered the 7D, we're suffering from excessive wanderlust with just too much time on our hands. We want this camera. Now! Hurry up already, Canon!
I freely admit to that. I can't wait to slap the 400 f5.6 on, go on my back deck and shoot away, that's my version of therapy! I hope those AF zones work as advertised!
Indeed. I also have a 400 F5.6 L that I'm anxious to try out for a variety of subject matter with the 7D!
thedigitalbean wrote:
python2000 wrote
cameron12x wrote
Yohan Pamudji wrote
Brit-007 wrote
I think it is obvious that Canon has now completed their line up.I think the 7D, far from completing the lineup, is actually the strongest indication that we will finally see an "affordable" full frame with better-than-xxD features, a.k.a. the 3D. Before this it was all speculation and wishful thinking based on nothing tangible in the Canon lineup. Now Canon have shown they are willing to trickle down features traditionally considered pro level features into cameras other than the 1-series, which they've been very reluctant to do in the past. 3D might finally be coming.
I'm actually just hoping that all 19 cross-type AF sensors work as advertised!
Sep 18, 2009 at 10:33 AM
p.59 #3Canon EOS 7D Master thread
thedigitalbean wrote:
Please don't give them any ideas. They've had a rough time with complacency lately, so let's keep spurring them on instead of letting them sit on their laurels!
I think the 7D, far from completing the lineup, is actually the strongest indication that we will finally see an "affordable" full frame with better-than-xxD features, a.k.a. the 3D. Before this it was all speculation and wishful thinking based on nothing tangible in the Canon lineup. Now Canon have shown they are willing to trickle down features traditionally considered pro level features into cameras other than the 1-series, which they've been very reluctant to do in the past. 3D might finally be coming.+1^19 Amen!Isn't 1^19 the same as 1?I think he means 1e19
The math nerd in me wanted to say something, but I wasn't gonna ding a guy who agrees with me! 1 x 10^19.
python2000 wrote
cameron12x wrote
Yohan Pamudji wrote
Brit-007 wrote
I think it is obvious that Canon has now completed their line up.I think the 7D, far from completing the lineup, is actually the strongest indication that we will finally see an "affordable" full frame with better-than-xxD features, a.k.a. the 3D. Before this it was all speculation and wishful thinking based on nothing tangible in the Canon lineup. Now Canon have shown they are willing to trickle down features traditionally considered pro level features into cameras other than the 1-series, which they've been very reluctant to do in the past. 3D might finally be coming.
The math nerd in me wanted to say something, but I wasn't gonna ding a guy who agrees with me! 1 x 10^19.Sep 18, 2009 at 10:49 AM
p.59 #4Canon EOS 7D Master thread
for noise lovers, guess where is the 7D in this picture:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2448/noiseblind.jpg
I removed the ACR noise reduction by changing the exif of all the raw files to 100 iso instead 3200 so every one is at the same level, and I reduced the original picture to the size of the smallest one of the group.
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2448/noiseblind.jpg
I removed the ACR noise reduction by changing the exif of all the raw files to 100 iso instead 3200 so every one is at the same level, and I reduced the original picture to the size of the smallest one of the group.
Sep 18, 2009 at 05:33 PM
p.59 #5Canon EOS 7D Master thread
durandal2 wrote:
for noise lovers, guess where is the 7D in this picture.
Upper left.
for noise lovers, guess where is the 7D in this picture.
Upper left.
Sep 18, 2009 at 05:39 PM
p.59 #6Canon EOS 7D Master thread
durandal2 wrote:
I removed the ACR noise reduction by changing the exif of all the raw files to 100 iso instead 3200
You removed ACR by editing the EXIF? Is this some new form of camera humor?
I removed the ACR noise reduction by changing the exif of all the raw files to 100 iso instead 3200
You removed ACR by editing the EXIF? Is this some new form of camera humor?
Sep 18, 2009 at 06:01 PM
p.59 #7Canon EOS 7D Master thread
in fact when ACR detects a high iso raw, it applies automatic and impossible to disable noise reduction. In order to avoid this noise reduction system, I had to go through a hex editor, and change the 3200 iso value to 100 and then opened the file in acr, which detect the raw picture as a low iso one.
With that trick, the file opened in acr looks like it was opened with DPP with the noise reduction disabled. I have to do that as long as i don't have DPP 3.7 to open quickly 7D raw files.
With that trick, the file opened in acr looks like it was opened with DPP with the noise reduction disabled. I have to do that as long as i don't have DPP 3.7 to open quickly 7D raw files.
Sep 18, 2009 at 06:48 PM
p.59 #8Canon EOS 7D Master thread
durandal2 wrote:
in fact when ACR detects a high iso raw, it applies automatic and impossible to disable noise reduction. In order to avoid this noise reduction system, I had to go through a hex editor, and change the 3200 iso value to 100 and then opened the file in acr, which detect the raw picture as a low iso one.
Really? Interesting.
Take your uncorrected RAW file, open it in ACR and slide the luminance and color noise reduction tabs all the way down to 0. Save the output as TIFF.
Compare that to your corrected shots (also in TIFF). Is there any difference?
Edited on Sep 18, 2009 at 07:02 PM · View previous versions
in fact when ACR detects a high iso raw, it applies automatic and impossible to disable noise reduction. In order to avoid this noise reduction system, I had to go through a hex editor, and change the 3200 iso value to 100 and then opened the file in acr, which detect the raw picture as a low iso one.
Really? Interesting.
Take your uncorrected RAW file, open it in ACR and slide the luminance and color noise reduction tabs all the way down to 0. Save the output as TIFF.
Compare that to your corrected shots (also in TIFF). Is there any difference?
Edited on Sep 18, 2009 at 07:02 PM · View previous versions
Sep 18, 2009 at 06:57 PM
p.59 #9Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Not to derail the postprossing tips discussion, I am guessing the 7d is the upper or middle left? What are the other cameras?
Sep 18, 2009 at 07:00 PM
p.59 #10Canon EOS 7D Master thread
durandal2 wrote:
in fact when ACR detects a high iso raw, it applies automatic and impossible to disable noise reduction. In order to avoid this noise reduction system, I had to go through a hex editor, and change the 3200 iso value to 100 and then opened the file in acr, which detect the raw picture as a low iso one.
Never heard that before, interesting.
in fact when ACR detects a high iso raw, it applies automatic and impossible to disable noise reduction. In order to avoid this noise reduction system, I had to go through a hex editor, and change the 3200 iso value to 100 and then opened the file in acr, which detect the raw picture as a low iso one.
Never heard that before, interesting.
Sep 18, 2009 at 07:07 PM
p.59 #11Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Lots of different opinions here. Obviously, once it's out we'll know real-world performance.
I just got my email this week from Amazon that they're accepting pre-orders, put mine in.
I want to experience the new AF and get a look at the RAW files. If I'm not happy, I can sell it for, probably, a $150 loss, and I'll gladly pay $150 for an unlimited rental. Plus, it could turn out to be a smokin' winner.
I just got my email this week from Amazon that they're accepting pre-orders, put mine in.
I want to experience the new AF and get a look at the RAW files. If I'm not happy, I can sell it for, probably, a $150 loss, and I'll gladly pay $150 for an unlimited rental. Plus, it could turn out to be a smokin' winner.
Sep 18, 2009 at 08:39 PM
p.59 #12Canon EOS 7D Master thread
durandal2 wrote:
for noise lovers, guess where is the 7D in this picture:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2448/noiseblind.jpg
I removed the ACR noise reduction by changing the exif of all the raw files to 100 iso instead 3200 so every one is at the same level, and I reduced the original picture to the size of the smallest one of the group.
Upper Left - This is a full frame camera ... possibly a Nikon D700 or Canon 5D II. Everyone thinking this is a 7D is in for a rude disappointment. Wish it wasn't true because I really would like to upgrade my 50D to a 7D and hoping for a miracle.
Upper Right/Middle Left - These are are 7D candidates. If I had to pick one, it would be the middle left box.
Also, since these samples were resized, the 7D noise that will be in real 7D files when we view them at 100% will probably look worst. My real interest is in ISO 400 - 1600 files ... this is where my 50D most often causes me problems.
for noise lovers, guess where is the 7D in this picture:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2448/noiseblind.jpg
I removed the ACR noise reduction by changing the exif of all the raw files to 100 iso instead 3200 so every one is at the same level, and I reduced the original picture to the size of the smallest one of the group.
Upper Left - This is a full frame camera ... possibly a Nikon D700 or Canon 5D II. Everyone thinking this is a 7D is in for a rude disappointment. Wish it wasn't true because I really would like to upgrade my 50D to a 7D and hoping for a miracle.
Upper Right/Middle Left - These are are 7D candidates. If I had to pick one, it would be the middle left box.
Also, since these samples were resized, the 7D noise that will be in real 7D files when we view them at 100% will probably look worst. My real interest is in ISO 400 - 1600 files ... this is where my 50D most often causes me problems.
Sep 18, 2009 at 09:41 PM
p.59 #13Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Upper left would be very nice to have! I hope that is the 7D one.
you should give us all the other camera's, so we know how to compare
Tim
you should give us all the other camera's, so we know how to compare
Tim
Sep 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM
p.59 #14Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Timwim1 wrote:
Upper left would be very nice to have! I hope that is the 7D one.
you should give us all the other camera's, so we know how to compare
Tim
yeah without knowing the others it makes it kind of tough
i mean it could be the 7D upper left if all are APS-C but if some are FF then no way
probably middle or lower left or upper right then
tell us all the cams!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upper left would be very nice to have! I hope that is the 7D one.
you should give us all the other camera's, so we know how to compare
Tim
yeah without knowing the others it makes it kind of tough
i mean it could be the 7D upper left if all are APS-C but if some are FF then no way
probably middle or lower left or upper right then
tell us all the cams!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 18, 2009 at 11:03 PM
p.59 #15Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I would think the dual DIGIC 4 processors in the 7D are there for noise control. Time will tell. I look forward to a live test.
Sep 18, 2009 at 11:04 PM
p.59 #16Canon EOS 7D Master thread
buddyRoland wrote:
I would think the dual DIGIC 4 processors in the 7D are there for noise control. Time will tell. I look forward to a live test.
no there are there for 8fps at 18MP
and the only noise they control is for jpgs anyway
I would think the dual DIGIC 4 processors in the 7D are there for noise control. Time will tell. I look forward to a live test.
no there are there for 8fps at 18MP
and the only noise they control is for jpgs anyway
Sep 18, 2009 at 11:37 PM
p.59 #17Canon EOS 7D Master thread
upper left is D700 and upper right the resized 7D
middle left 5D mk2, middle right K20D
bottom left D3x, bottom right D300
as for the trick with slider and my exif iso editting, I already did that:
on the left, the 30D with the normal exif, detected as a 3200 iso picture under ACR and on the right the same picture but detected as a 100 iso one, still no sharpening applied:
http://durandal2.free.fr/30D3200.jpg
middle left 5D mk2, middle right K20D
bottom left D3x, bottom right D300
as for the trick with slider and my exif iso editting, I already did that:
on the left, the 30D with the normal exif, detected as a 3200 iso picture under ACR and on the right the same picture but detected as a 100 iso one, still no sharpening applied:
http://durandal2.free.fr/30D3200.jpg
Sep 19, 2009 at 02:47 AM
p.59 #18Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Tried 7D yesterday.
Not really something I would consider buying.
Of course, I didn't have chance to study it's ISO performance using a decent screen, but compared to 5D MkII side by side it wasn't impressive at all.
Holding it in your hand feels like slightly larger Rebel and it does feel a bit like a toy.
One good thing though is the battery status indicator can be seen when shooting (through viewfinder).
Not really something I would consider buying.
Of course, I didn't have chance to study it's ISO performance using a decent screen, but compared to 5D MkII side by side it wasn't impressive at all.
Holding it in your hand feels like slightly larger Rebel and it does feel a bit like a toy.
One good thing though is the battery status indicator can be seen when shooting (through viewfinder).
Sep 19, 2009 at 03:25 AM
p.59 #19Canon EOS 7D Master thread
and for the pleasure i just dit the whole thing with the 7D raw files, left row is plain 7D raw detected with the correct iso levels by ACR, and on the right, the raw detected only as 100 iso raws.
http://yfrog.com/0w7dvs7dj
http://yfrog.com/0w7dvs7dj
Sep 19, 2009 at 03:26 AM
p.59 #20Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Krosavcheg wrote:
Tried 7D yesterday.
Not really something I would consider buying.
Of course, I didn't have chance to study it's ISO performance using a decent screen, but compared to 5D MkII side by side it wasn't impressive at all.
Holding it in your hand feels like slightly larger Rebel and it does feel a bit like a toy.
One good thing though is the battery status indicator can be seen when shooting (through viewfinder).
I wonder if it is just you or everyone feeling it cos it seems other opinions are just the other way around. "Slightly larger Rebel" "feel like a toy" ? Something tells me you are not having a real opinion to care off.
From what I heard in many forums and sites, the camera is way sturdier than a 50D and better built than the 5D mark II. I would prefer a rather better explained opinion than a toy writen one.
Tried 7D yesterday.
Not really something I would consider buying.
Of course, I didn't have chance to study it's ISO performance using a decent screen, but compared to 5D MkII side by side it wasn't impressive at all.
Holding it in your hand feels like slightly larger Rebel and it does feel a bit like a toy.
One good thing though is the battery status indicator can be seen when shooting (through viewfinder).
I wonder if it is just you or everyone feeling it cos it seems other opinions are just the other way around. "Slightly larger Rebel" "feel like a toy" ? Something tells me you are not having a real opinion to care off.
From what I heard in many forums and sites, the camera is way sturdier than a 50D and better built than the 5D mark II. I would prefer a rather better explained opinion than a toy writen one.
Sep 19, 2009 at 04:00 AM