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p.44 #1Canon EOS 7D Master thread
maybe I am missing it somewhere but what is the crop factor going to be, on canon's site it says it is a 100% viewfinder but still works with both EF and EF-S lenses, any info would be much apprecitated 
Sep 11, 2009 at 07:54 AM
p.44 #2Canon EOS 7D Master thread
mscottlogan wrote:
maybe I am missing it somewhere but what is the crop factor going to be, on canon's site it says it is a 100% viewfinder but still works with both EF and EF-S lenses, any info would be much apprecitated
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos7d/
maybe I am missing it somewhere but what is the crop factor going to be, on canon's site it says it is a 100% viewfinder but still works with both EF and EF-S lenses, any info would be much apprecitated
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos7d/
Sep 11, 2009 at 08:07 AM
p.44 #4Canon EOS 7D Master thread
snooked123 wrote:
Question: Are all these shots jpegs from the camera? I remember people saying after the launch of 5dII "6400 ISO on 5d II is better than my 5d's ISO 400" and in the end it turned out that the difference was approximately one stop. So I am very interested in seeing RAW samples. Can anyone provide them?
He shot them RAW and converted them in DPP, however he converted them with DPP's noise reduction turned on.
Question: Are all these shots jpegs from the camera? I remember people saying after the launch of 5dII "6400 ISO on 5d II is better than my 5d's ISO 400" and in the end it turned out that the difference was approximately one stop. So I am very interested in seeing RAW samples. Can anyone provide them?
He shot them RAW and converted them in DPP, however he converted them with DPP's noise reduction turned on.
Sep 11, 2009 at 09:02 AM
p.44 #5Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Not to be picky, but who cares if he had NR ON or OFF? The results speak for themselves - there appears to be plenty of detail with low noise, and no banding. I am pretty sure I can live with that. If it was accomplished in-camera (or during raw import) without having to go through noiseninja or neatimage I am actually happier, as it saves me a step in post.
It's all about the final image, isn't it?
It's all about the final image, isn't it?
Sep 11, 2009 at 09:32 AM
p.44 #6Canon EOS 7D Master thread
timbop wrote:
Not to be picky, but who cares if he had NR ON or OFF? The results speak for themselves - there appears to be plenty of detail with low noise, and no banding. I am pretty sure I can live with that. If it was accomplished in-camera (or during raw import) without having to go through noiseninja or neatimage I am actually happier, as it saves me a step in post.
It's all about the final image, isn't it?
On an absolute level where only the image from the camera is important yes, however the intent of many folks is to compare the output to existing cameras and to determine noise level on a relative level and so whether NR was on or off is crucial piece of information for them to make the comparison.
Not to be picky, but who cares if he had NR ON or OFF? The results speak for themselves - there appears to be plenty of detail with low noise, and no banding. I am pretty sure I can live with that. If it was accomplished in-camera (or during raw import) without having to go through noiseninja or neatimage I am actually happier, as it saves me a step in post.
It's all about the final image, isn't it?
On an absolute level where only the image from the camera is important yes, however the intent of many folks is to compare the output to existing cameras and to determine noise level on a relative level and so whether NR was on or off is crucial piece of information for them to make the comparison.
Sep 11, 2009 at 10:35 AM
p.44 #7Canon EOS 7D Master thread
kewlcanon wrote:
7D shots
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=750973
Thanks for posting the link- though those are nice shots- they are not indicative of the 7D's high ISO capability. Those were under professional lighting situations. What many people fail to realize is that the amount and quality of light, as well as correctness of exposure, contribute far more to high ISO quality than the choice of ISO itself. The 40D and 50D would look just as nice in a studio setting.
7D shots
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=750973
Thanks for posting the link- though those are nice shots- they are not indicative of the 7D's high ISO capability. Those were under professional lighting situations. What many people fail to realize is that the amount and quality of light, as well as correctness of exposure, contribute far more to high ISO quality than the choice of ISO itself. The 40D and 50D would look just as nice in a studio setting.
Sep 11, 2009 at 11:31 AM
p.44 #8Canon EOS 7D Master thread
How about these then?
http://plasticmagonline.com/Canon/6400_7d/index.htm
http://plasticmagonline.com/Canon/6400_7d/index.htm
Sep 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM
p.44 #9Canon EOS 7D Master thread
keithreeder wrote:
How about these then?
http://plasticmagonline.com/Canon/6400_7d/index.htm
Those look really good for 6400 but EC -1 2/3
How about these then?
http://plasticmagonline.com/Canon/6400_7d/index.htm
Those look really good for 6400 but EC -1 2/3
Sep 11, 2009 at 11:46 AM
p.44 #10Canon EOS 7D Master thread
It seems the tester said he's impressed with the 7D AF system.
http://naturfokus.info/wordpress/?p=277
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http://naturfokus.info/wordpress/?p=277
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Sep 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM
p.44 #11Canon EOS 7D Master thread
M Vers wrote:
Those look really good for 6400 but EC -1 2/3
A mistake, I imagine (I hope!) - they'd be a lot better exposed "properly".
Promising, though.
Those look really good for 6400 but EC -1 2/3
A mistake, I imagine (I hope!) - they'd be a lot better exposed "properly".
Promising, though.
Sep 11, 2009 at 11:52 AM
p.44 #12Canon EOS 7D Master thread
keithreeder wrote:
A mistake, I imagine (I hope!) - they'd be a lot better exposed "properly".
Promising, though.
Well, yeah--but a properly exposed image will show different noise levels/characteristics. Obviously in this case the photog used EC the way he/she did to get a decent shutter speed (1/60).
M Vers wrote
Those look really good for 6400 but EC -1 2/3Promising, though.
Well, yeah--but a properly exposed image will show different noise levels/characteristics. Obviously in this case the photog used EC the way he/she did to get a decent shutter speed (1/60).
Sep 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM
p.44 #13Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Google translation here.
He likes the AF!
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He likes the AF!
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Sep 11, 2009 at 12:03 PM
p.44 #14Canon EOS 7D Master thread
kewlcanon wrote:
Anybody understand this ?...
http://naturfokus.info/wordpress/?p=277
Yes, I do, a whole lot to translate, but the guy presents this as a practical review.
AF: He used "extended AF point", and is impressed by both how easy it is to make adjustments (better than any camera he has used), and how it performs. Precision and tracking speed in the situations he presents images from, was excellent.
He is also impressed by the IQ, and says it is comparable to 5DII / 1Ds3 below ISO 800. The sharpness straight out of camera is very good. This camera has changed his view of IQ in 1.6 crop cameras.
Anything else you want me to look for in the text?
You can also ask the guy in the blog comment, in english.
Anybody understand this ?...
http://naturfokus.info/wordpress/?p=277
Yes, I do, a whole lot to translate, but the guy presents this as a practical review.
AF: He used "extended AF point", and is impressed by both how easy it is to make adjustments (better than any camera he has used), and how it performs. Precision and tracking speed in the situations he presents images from, was excellent.
He is also impressed by the IQ, and says it is comparable to 5DII / 1Ds3 below ISO 800. The sharpness straight out of camera is very good. This camera has changed his view of IQ in 1.6 crop cameras.
Anything else you want me to look for in the text?
You can also ask the guy in the blog comment, in english.
Sep 11, 2009 at 12:04 PM
p.44 #15Canon EOS 7D Master thread
keithreeder wrote:
Google translation here.
Google seems quite good with Norwegian - English!
Dang, google beats me!
Google translation here.
Google seems quite good with Norwegian - English!
Dang, google beats me!
Sep 11, 2009 at 12:05 PM
p.44 #16Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Heya...thanks....that's what I want to know..the AF
alundeb wrote:
http://naturfokus.info/wordpress/?p=277Yes, I do, a whole lot to translate, but the guy presents this as a practical review.
AF: He used "extended AF point", and is impressed by both how easy it is to make adjustments (better than any camera he has used), and how it performs. Precision and tracking speed in the situations he presents images from, was excellent.
He is also impressed by the IQ, and says it is comparable to 5DII / 1Ds3 below ISO 800. The sharpness straight out of camera is very good. This camera has changed his view of IQ in 1.6 crop cameras.
Anything else you want...Show more →
alundeb wrote:
kewlcanon wrote
Anybody understand this ?...http://naturfokus.info/wordpress/?p=277
AF: He used "extended AF point", and is impressed by both how easy it is to make adjustments (better than any camera he has used), and how it performs. Precision and tracking speed in the situations he presents images from, was excellent.
He is also impressed by the IQ, and says it is comparable to 5DII / 1Ds3 below ISO 800. The sharpness straight out of camera is very good. This camera has changed his view of IQ in 1.6 crop cameras.
Anything else you want...Show more →
Sep 11, 2009 at 12:06 PM
p.44 #17Canon EOS 7D Master thread
A few thoughts on my blog:
http://mortenbyskov.blogspot.com/2009/09/canon-7d.html
http://mortenbyskov.blogspot.com/2009/09/canon-7d.html
Sep 11, 2009 at 01:03 PM
p.44 #18Canon EOS 7D Master thread
keithreeder wrote:
How about these then?
http://plasticmagonline.com/Canon/6400_7d/index.htm
I certainly wouldn't use those shots for any kind of determination. When your shooting a 1.6x cropped camera at ISO6400 you certainly don't want to underexpose the shots that bad.
Jim
How about these then?
http://plasticmagonline.com/Canon/6400_7d/index.htm
I certainly wouldn't use those shots for any kind of determination. When your shooting a 1.6x cropped camera at ISO6400 you certainly don't want to underexpose the shots that bad.
Jim
Sep 11, 2009 at 01:55 PM
p.44 #19Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Fair comment Jim - just puttin' 'em out there.
Mind you, I still think they show something of the 7D's potential: further confirmation that pattern noise/banding is a thing of the past; and (chroma notwithstanding - easily fixed with proper conversion) the look of the noise is pretty agreeable...
Mind you, I still think they show something of the 7D's potential: further confirmation that pattern noise/banding is a thing of the past; and (chroma notwithstanding - easily fixed with proper conversion) the look of the noise is pretty agreeable...
Sep 11, 2009 at 02:14 PM
p.44 #20Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Presumably the AF will be competent--that's one major new feature in the camera--and one has to assume Canon will not risk a repeat the 1D3 experience, so it should work more or less as advertised.
But I wouldn't expect the AF to exceed or necessarily even match that of a (working) 1D3 or D3. I think expectations have gotten a bit high on this front. There will still be some daylignt between this model and the 1-series I think (though I could be wrong).
I strikes me that this model is a proving ground for Canon's new AF system much like the EOS-3 was 11 years ago. That experiment turned out rather well; maybe this one will too.Maybe they have targeted the 1D AF peformance. That would be a huge step up from the 50D yet still leave it inferior to 1D III (when working properly)
I saw a link to a Norwegian photographer (birds/sports/people) who said that, after a short test for a day, it appeared to focus better than the 1D3 and get tricked by bird wingtip as with other cameras.
EDIT: yeah, i noticed this has already been posted here too after entering my msg.
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garyvot wrote
skibum5 wrote
I think the AF is really the make or break as to whether it would be a fine buy or second body or pointless.But I wouldn't expect the AF to exceed or necessarily even match that of a (working) 1D3 or D3. I think expectations have gotten a bit high on this front. There will still be some daylignt between this model and the 1-series I think (though I could be wrong).
I strikes me that this model is a proving ground for Canon's new AF system much like the EOS-3 was 11 years ago. That experiment turned out rather well; maybe this one will too.
I saw a link to a Norwegian photographer (birds/sports/people) who said that, after a short test for a day, it appeared to focus better than the 1D3 and get tricked by bird wingtip as with other cameras.
EDIT: yeah, i noticed this has already been posted here too after entering my msg.
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Sep 11, 2009 at 03:06 PM