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p.19 #1Canon EOS 7D Master thread
jamato8 wrote:
I will say this. I wish my 5DII had the focus points and the flash control of the 7D. That does make me feel like I got shorted on the 5DII.
Well for heaven's sake, then sell your 5DII and buy a 7D! Otherwise you're in the same spot millions of others are in whenever a new model of anything has features that the older model doesn't have.
It is the nature of "digital" and "electronics" to offer more features for less money every year. If owners of the older models feel "shorted," they should buy the newer models.
I will say this. I wish my 5DII had the focus points and the flash control of the 7D. That does make me feel like I got shorted on the 5DII.
Well for heaven's sake, then sell your 5DII and buy a 7D! Otherwise you're in the same spot millions of others are in whenever a new model of anything has features that the older model doesn't have.
It is the nature of "digital" and "electronics" to offer more features for less money every year. If owners of the older models feel "shorted," they should buy the newer models.
Sep 03, 2009 at 01:43 AM
p.19 #2Canon EOS 7D Master thread
kewlcanon wrote:
7D overview..
Slow motion test...looks awesome.
The flash control looks great at the end of that first clip.
7D overview..
Slow motion test...looks awesome.
The flash control looks great at the end of that first clip.
Sep 03, 2009 at 03:12 AM
p.19 #3Canon EOS 7D Master thread
RalphJ wrote:
Well for heaven's sake, then sell your 5DII and buy a 7D! Otherwise you're in the same spot millions of others are in whenever a new model of anything has features that the older model doesn't have.
It is the nature of "digital" and "electronics" to offer more features for less money every year. If owners of the older models feel "shorted," they should buy the newer models.
They also take them away. I wish the 7D had ECF. Hells bells ah I feel cheated. My Elan 7NE had it.
jamato8 wrote
I will say this. I wish my 5DII had the focus points and the flash control of the 7D. That does make me feel like I got shorted on the 5DII.It is the nature of "digital" and "electronics" to offer more features for less money every year. If owners of the older models feel "shorted," they should buy the newer models.
They also take them away. I wish the 7D had ECF. Hells bells ah I feel cheated. My Elan 7NE had it.
Sep 03, 2009 at 03:17 AM
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p.19 #4Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Imagemaster wrote:
I would bet that any DSLR's AF would be better than your MF on fast-moving subjects.
...as long as those subjects are in the central 1/3rd of the frame.
If you are a photographer who likes to _compose_ a spontaneous or time-limited image as well as get it in focus then you're right out of luck. And that's not even to mention the myriad other problems with even the best AF. If you don't believe there are myriad other problems, ask yourself why large tracts of the CaNikon forums are devoted to AF complaints, AF problems and AF workarounds. Manual focussing does not rely on lens+body calibration, micro-adjustments, focus-recompose, full-range AF hunting, range-limiters, "Lens drive when AF impossible - focus search off" (yes the custom function really is called that), AF-point expansion, AF-point selection, servo speed adjustment, f2.8 lenses, being limited to AF lenses, or any of the other vagaries that spoil pictures or make their composition hopelessly dreary. CaNikon still produce MF only lenses. Should the 17mm TS/E be discontinued? Seriously it would be interesting to see which cameras pros would buy if CaNikon produced exclusively-AF (no MF allowed at all), and exclusively MF bodies. MF is essential, AF is a luxury.
I would bet that any DSLR's AF would be better than your MF on fast-moving subjects.
...as long as those subjects are in the central 1/3rd of the frame.
If you are a photographer who likes to _compose_ a spontaneous or time-limited image as well as get it in focus then you're right out of luck. And that's not even to mention the myriad other problems with even the best AF. If you don't believe there are myriad other problems, ask yourself why large tracts of the CaNikon forums are devoted to AF complaints, AF problems and AF workarounds. Manual focussing does not rely on lens+body calibration, micro-adjustments, focus-recompose, full-range AF hunting, range-limiters, "Lens drive when AF impossible - focus search off" (yes the custom function really is called that), AF-point expansion, AF-point selection, servo speed adjustment, f2.8 lenses, being limited to AF lenses, or any of the other vagaries that spoil pictures or make their composition hopelessly dreary. CaNikon still produce MF only lenses. Should the 17mm TS/E be discontinued? Seriously it would be interesting to see which cameras pros would buy if CaNikon produced exclusively-AF (no MF allowed at all), and exclusively MF bodies. MF is essential, AF is a luxury.
Sep 03, 2009 at 04:02 AM
p.19 #5Canon EOS 7D Master thread
LightShow wrote:
3D:
FF,
More Dynamic range than the 5D,
Less high iso noise than the 5D,
Less long exposure noise than the 5D,
Full weather sealing like 1D3, 1D4,
Between 12-18Mp
Better AF than 5D, 5D2, 7D, 50D,
Video controls and options like 7D, 1D4,
More fps than the 5D,
Why develop a new FF sensor when the 21mp of the 5D2 is perfect. In a 7D-like body you would still get 6.8fps.
3D:
FF,
More Dynamic range than the 5D,
Less high iso noise than the 5D,
Less long exposure noise than the 5D,
Full weather sealing like 1D3, 1D4,
Between 12-18Mp
Better AF than 5D, 5D2, 7D, 50D,
Video controls and options like 7D, 1D4,
More fps than the 5D,
Why develop a new FF sensor when the 21mp of the 5D2 is perfect. In a 7D-like body you would still get 6.8fps.
Sep 03, 2009 at 04:32 AM
p.19 #6Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I don't need 21Mp. Perfect for you, not for me.
5D2 image quality doesn't look as good to me as the 5D.
1D4 could share sensors with 3D.
hmm why did Canon produce a "NEW" sensor for the 7D when they could have used the 50D's ? ? ? oh that's right the marketing department want higher Mp counts.
I want a camera where image quality is the first priority, functionality is 2nd,
ergonomics is 3rd, geewizz stuff is 4th.
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5D2 image quality doesn't look as good to me as the 5D.
1D4 could share sensors with 3D.
hmm why did Canon produce a "NEW" sensor for the 7D when they could have used the 50D's ? ? ? oh that's right the marketing department want higher Mp counts.
I want a camera where image quality is the first priority, functionality is 2nd,
ergonomics is 3rd, geewizz stuff is 4th.
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Sep 03, 2009 at 05:22 AM
p.19 #7Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I have to agree with Richard and Paul here. I haven't been a Canon user so far, but this is exactly the kind of camera that would suite my needs for the coming year, partly because of its advanced video capabilities, partly because of the high resolution and partly because it's the first Canon crop camera that is really suited for use with manual focus lenses (I would mostly use it with legacy glass), or at least that was what I thought until I read about the focusing screen thing.
Hopefully, Katzeye and others will come up with workable solutions soon, but I can't stop wondering why Canon chooses to do this. This is exactly the kind of decisions that has kept me, and I'm sure many other photographers, from buying Canon DSLR cameras.
There's a great video sample at
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/eosmovie/index.html
in case it hasn't been posted before.
Hopefully, Katzeye and others will come up with workable solutions soon, but I can't stop wondering why Canon chooses to do this. This is exactly the kind of decisions that has kept me, and I'm sure many other photographers, from buying Canon DSLR cameras.
There's a great video sample at
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/eosmovie/index.html
in case it hasn't been posted before.
Sep 03, 2009 at 05:28 AM
p.19 #8Canon EOS 7D Master thread
SHould this camera not have been called the 60d? Or is Canon going to renumber its line up?
Sep 03, 2009 at 05:34 AM
p.19 #9Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Grognard wrote:
SHould this camera not have been called the 60d? Or is Canon going to renumber its line up?
After reviewers started comparing the 50D with the D90, they probably felt a need to make more distance between the 50D and the new camera, purely for marketing purposes.
SHould this camera not have been called the 60d? Or is Canon going to renumber its line up?
After reviewers started comparing the 50D with the D90, they probably felt a need to make more distance between the 50D and the new camera, purely for marketing purposes.
Sep 03, 2009 at 05:37 AM
p.19 #10Canon EOS 7D Master thread
brainiac wrote:
...as long as those subjects are in the central 1/3rd of the frame.
If you are a photographer who likes to _compose_ a spontaneous or time-limited image as well as get it in focus then you're right out of luck. And that's not even to mention the myriad other problems with even the best AF. If you don't believe there are myriad other problems, ask yourself why large tracts of the CaNikon forums are devoted to AF complaints, AF problems and AF workarounds. Manual focussing does not rely on lens+body calibration, micro-adjustments, focus-recompose, full-range AF hunting, range-limiters, "Lens drive when AF...Show more →
As you know, Richard, I couldn't agree more!
Imagemaster wrote
I would bet that any DSLR's AF would be better than your MF on fast-moving subjects.If you are a photographer who likes to _compose_ a spontaneous or time-limited image as well as get it in focus then you're right out of luck. And that's not even to mention the myriad other problems with even the best AF. If you don't believe there are myriad other problems, ask yourself why large tracts of the CaNikon forums are devoted to AF complaints, AF problems and AF workarounds. Manual focussing does not rely on lens+body calibration, micro-adjustments, focus-recompose, full-range AF hunting, range-limiters, "Lens drive when AF...Show more →
As you know, Richard, I couldn't agree more!
Sep 03, 2009 at 05:49 AM
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p.19 #11Canon EOS 7D Master thread
LightShow wrote:
I don't need 21Mp. Perfect for you, not for me.
5D2 image quality doesn't look as good to me as the 5D.
...presumably because you made the basic error of comparing them at 100% on screen instead of comparing at equal magnification.
I use both cameras regularly, and while I think the 5D IQ is excellent, the 5D2 IQ is more excellent in every way.
I don't need 21Mp. Perfect for you, not for me.
5D2 image quality doesn't look as good to me as the 5D.
...presumably because you made the basic error of comparing them at 100% on screen instead of comparing at equal magnification.
I use both cameras regularly, and while I think the 5D IQ is excellent, the 5D2 IQ is more excellent in every way.
Sep 03, 2009 at 05:52 AM
p.19 #13Canon EOS 7D Master thread
LightShow wrote:
I want a camera where image quality is the first priority, functionality is 2nd, ergonomics is 3rd, geewizz stuff is 4th.
Sounds like you want a Sigma SD14 ... :-)
- Steve
I want a camera where image quality is the first priority, functionality is 2nd, ergonomics is 3rd, geewizz stuff is 4th.
Sounds like you want a Sigma SD14 ... :-)
- Steve
Sep 03, 2009 at 05:55 AM
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p.19 #14Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I was just looking at the GF-1 interface and noticed that it had a separate button for starting video capture. As soon as I saw that liveview/video is modal on the 7D I groaned. While the 7D looks like being an excellent all-round camera, it's hard to understand why elementary interface usability blunders are still being made. How is it preferable to have a liveview/video modal switch in combination with a start stop button rather than separate start/stop buttons for video and for liveview? They design the camera like a 1998 web form. I frequently use liveview AND video. Canon's implementation means that I will constantly have to check the position of that switch, and switch it before starting a video when time is short, and will still often start liveview instead of video, and vice versa. In the worst case I will be walking backwards down steps at a wedding and will hit video record as the confetti flies, only to find that the video was not recorded because the camera was mistakenly in liveview mode. Please someone tell me that I am wrong or that there is a workaround for this interface blunder.
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Sep 03, 2009 at 06:14 AM
p.19 #15Canon EOS 7D Master thread
LightShow wrote:
I want a camera where image quality is the first priority, functionality is 2nd, ergonomics is 3rd, geewizz stuff is 4th.
Actually, this to me sounds like the 5D2 (and I don't mean that as a criticism; I really like mine).
I want a camera where image quality is the first priority, functionality is 2nd, ergonomics is 3rd, geewizz stuff is 4th.
Actually, this to me sounds like the 5D2 (and I don't mean that as a criticism; I really like mine).
Sep 03, 2009 at 06:15 AM
p.19 #16Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I do a lot of manual focusing with a 1DMkIII and...
1. Their best manual focus screen is slightly better than the stock screen for MFing. Don't take that to mean that the specialized screen is bad, take it to mean that the stock screen is actually very good. For the improvement you pay a price in that the screen gets VF gets much darker. If Canon did half the job on the 7D that they did on the 1D screens things will be more than fine.
2. There are times to MF and there are times to AF. If you don't recognize that simple reality then you haven't been shooting long enough to have formed a valid opinion. Use to be that whoever could manage to actually manually focus a 600mm when shooting football (of either variety) was almost assured of a SI job.
Very tough work.
1. Their best manual focus screen is slightly better than the stock screen for MFing. Don't take that to mean that the specialized screen is bad, take it to mean that the stock screen is actually very good. For the improvement you pay a price in that the screen gets VF gets much darker. If Canon did half the job on the 7D that they did on the 1D screens things will be more than fine.
2. There are times to MF and there are times to AF. If you don't recognize that simple reality then you haven't been shooting long enough to have formed a valid opinion. Use to be that whoever could manage to actually manually focus a 600mm when shooting football (of either variety) was almost assured of a SI job.
Very tough work. Sep 03, 2009 at 06:19 AM
p.19 #17Canon EOS 7D Master thread
cogitech wrote:
...as long as those subjects are in the central 1/3rd of the frame.
If you are a photographer who likes to _compose_ a spontaneous or time-limited image as well as get it in focus then you're right out of luck. And that's not even to mention the myriad other problems with even the best AF. If you don't believe there are myriad other problems, ask yourself why large tracts of the CaNikon forums are devoted to AF complaints, AF problems and AF workarounds. Manual focussing does not rely on lens+body calibration, micro-adjustments, focus-recompose, full-range AF hunting, range-limiters, "Lens drive when AF impossible - focus search off" (yes the custom function really is called that), AF-point expansion, AF-point selection, servo speed adjustment, f2.8 lenses, being limited to AF lenses, or any of the other vagaries that spoil pictures or make their composition hopelessly dreary. CaNikon still produce MF only lenses. Should the 17mm TS/E be discontinued? Seriously it would be interesting to see which cameras pros would buy if CaNikon produced exclusively-AF (no MF allowed at all), and exclusively MF bodies. MF is essential, AF is a luxury.As you know, Richard, I couldn't agree more!
The most important accessory I have ever bought is an EES focus screen for my 5D.
brainiac wrote
Imagemaster wrote
I would bet that any DSLR's AF would be better than your MF on fast-moving subjects.If you are a photographer who likes to _compose_ a spontaneous or time-limited image as well as get it in focus then you're right out of luck. And that's not even to mention the myriad other problems with even the best AF. If you don't believe there are myriad other problems, ask yourself why large tracts of the CaNikon forums are devoted to AF complaints, AF problems and AF workarounds. Manual focussing does not rely on lens+body calibration, micro-adjustments, focus-recompose, full-range AF hunting, range-limiters, "Lens drive when AF impossible - focus search off" (yes the custom function really is called that), AF-point expansion, AF-point selection, servo speed adjustment, f2.8 lenses, being limited to AF lenses, or any of the other vagaries that spoil pictures or make their composition hopelessly dreary. CaNikon still produce MF only lenses. Should the 17mm TS/E be discontinued? Seriously it would be interesting to see which cameras pros would buy if CaNikon produced exclusively-AF (no MF allowed at all), and exclusively MF bodies. MF is essential, AF is a luxury.
The most important accessory I have ever bought is an EES focus screen for my 5D.
Sep 03, 2009 at 06:23 AM
p.19 #18Canon EOS 7D Master thread
RalphJ wrote:
Actually, this to me sounds like the 5D2 (and I don't mean that as a criticism; I really like mine).
I completely agree
..and surprise surprise, after another year or so of development there are some nice new features on the 7D, as if this suddenly somehow renders the 5DII unusable.
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I want a camera where image quality is the first priority, functionality is 2nd, ergonomics is 3rd, geewizz stuff is 4th.I completely agree
..and surprise surprise, after another year or so of development there are some nice new features on the 7D, as if this suddenly somehow renders the 5DII unusable.
David
Sep 03, 2009 at 06:24 AM
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p.19 #19Canon EOS 7D Master thread
keithreader wrote:
God, this MF blather is getting old...
Hrow wrote:
2. There are times to MF and there are times to AF. If you don't recognize that simple reality then you haven't been shooting long enough to have formed a valid opinion.
100% agree.
Keith seems _only_ to shoot bif. His opinion on the marginal importance of manual focus is an invalid extrapolation. Don't forget, the 7D is clearly aimed at serious, or even professional use. People who use a 7D may also be tempted to shoot apertures of f2 or wider.
God, this MF blather is getting old...
Hrow wrote:
2. There are times to MF and there are times to AF. If you don't recognize that simple reality then you haven't been shooting long enough to have formed a valid opinion.
100% agree.
Keith seems _only_ to shoot bif. His opinion on the marginal importance of manual focus is an invalid extrapolation. Don't forget, the 7D is clearly aimed at serious, or even professional use. People who use a 7D may also be tempted to shoot apertures of f2 or wider.
Sep 03, 2009 at 06:25 AM
p.19 #20Canon EOS 7D Master thread
I own the 5D2 and I am really really pleased with it. If the reviews and reports from actual 7D users over the next few months are good, particularly at high ISO, then I may well save up for the new camera, not to replace my 5D2, but to supplement/complement it. A 5D2 and 7D combo may well be amazing. Seems to me they might each have the missing features of the other, a bit like taking a notional 1Ds Mk4 and splitting it up into two distinct bodies. Perhaps I am being fanciful?
Interesting times ahead - I await actual 7D user feedback with huge interest!
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Interesting times ahead - I await actual 7D user feedback with huge interest!
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