I understand what brainiac is saying somewhat I just don't think its deliberately left off so much as a marketing choice. The new geeky cool VF will appeal to more people than one with changeable focusing screens for MF.
That said I'd buy a stripped down MF only (no AF) bright VF camera in a heartbeat. It would be cool. Something like a digital rangefinder.
RGS65 wrote:
That said I'd buy a stripped down MF only (no AF) bright VF camera in a heartbeat. It would be cool. Something like a digital rangefinder.
Cooler than cool, it would be the cat's ass, the dogs bollocks, and everything in between
Yeah, it's a real pisser that NO ONE makes a digital rangefinder you like, so Canon owes it to you to make one. I wish that there was leic a m8ker of digital rangefinders with nice MFing lenses....
abqnmusa wrote:
Even if Canon made the perfect camera with everthing everyone wants
people would complain about it in the forums
That's exactly what it seems to be happening. Canon has announced what looks to be a really strong offering in it's market niche & before anyone has even held one, people are on here complaining that Canon didn't release something different.
brainiac wrote:
That's exactly it, and that's why people like Paul (cog) and myself bemoan yet another slightly but annoyingly incomplete offering.
I still believe EOS is the best all-round system, but it's a struggle, whether I'm wielding a 1Ds3 or a 5D2 or a 500D, because Canon will not make one complete affordable bleeding edge camera which doesn't weigh a tonne.
Its a step better in many ways than the 50D but this isnt Canons compitition now is it....?"
globalkiwi wrote:
Canon has announced what looks to be a really strong offering in it's market niche & before anyone has even held one, people are on here complaining that Canon didn't release something different.
I'll say again that it looks like a great camera. "Happiness writes white".
digitalbug30d wrote:
Its a step better in many ways than the 50D but this isnt Canons compitition now is it....?"
Yes, the competition for the 7d is the d300s, and from what we know so far the 7d exceeds the nikon in far more areas than it doesn't. Once both cameras are in people's hands we will start to see if the key factor - IQ - belongs to the 7d
RGS65 wrote:
I understand what brainiac is saying somewhat I just don't think its deliberately left off so much as a marketing choice. The new geeky cool VF will appeal to more people than one with changeable focusing screens for MF.
That said I'd buy a stripped down MF only (no AF) bright VF camera in a heartbeat. It would be cool. Something like a digital rangefinder.
I know this is a still photography forum but both the 5DII and the 7D get a huge buzz from all the sites (and users) devoted to hi def DSLR video. If you want a taste check out www.cinema5d.com
Good discussion, I'm glad we seem to have stopped shouting.
I agree with Cogitech: I think a great viewfinder, and lenses with good feel for manual focusing, are important. And so does Canon, otherwise they would not have invested in building FTM lenses, or making the 'S' type screens available at all.
I just think that in this case, with apparently something about the new viewfinder making interchangeable screens harder to do, Canon decided to forego this feature for the 7D with its emphasis on AF and action photography. That doesn't mean it will disappear from future full frame cameras, where the user profile is a no doubt a better fit for MF scenario.
Have any of the previewers commented on the focus screen (or what they've discerned from using it). Would be a pleasant surprise if it was appropriate for Manual Focusing (I'm wishing upon a star). I've stated it before but its weird that they would go through all this effort with putting in a Pentaprism with 100% coverage and put in a normal focus screen. May as well just put in 100% coverage without the magnification since the AF would need to be relied on anyways.
I don't want a Leica M8 smart guy or an RD-1. I don't want to pay MORE for less technology.
timbop wrote:
Yeah, it's a real pisser that NO ONE makes a digital rangefinder you like, so Canon owes it to you to make one. I wish that there was leic a m8ker of digital rangefinders with nice MFing lenses....
No I have plenty of film cameras, thanks, I mean digital but MF only. No AF; no AV or TV. Maybe a meter, but optional really. Various mount adapters. Something we can all use our vintage glass on without shelling out for the M8 or the RD-1.
But....back to the 7D................
TBannor wrote:
Kind of like the one they made in 1991:
brainiac wrote:
I'll say again that it looks like a great camera. "Happiness writes white".
Beyond that fact that it "looks like a great camera", the price is what really surprised me. I assumed the best buy rumor at $2799 was actually reasonable priced for the "goodies" included even for a crop sensor. When it was released at $1699
I was literally blown away!!price Thus this will result in lots of sales for Canon and keep the company "healthy" to build more great camera's down the road.
I would have happily paid $2500 for this body if it were full frame, but I have no interest in this camera with a cropped sensor. The sad fact is it will probably be 2 years before we see these features in a new version of the 5D.
I'm sorry for such harsh posts, my annoyance threshold just isn't what it used to be. It's just astonishing that the (I believe) vocal minority keep beating this horse to death (there's another thread on the screen topic), just for the sake of complaining. We all clamored for a non-1 series camera with better than the 9 point diamond AF, and what Canon delivered (admittedly on paper) is pretty amazing if it lives up to billing (RG notwithstanding). When you need a smaller AF point for small birds in trees, it's there. When you need a larger high precision AF point for really lowlight AF, it's there - all over the frame. Need expansion for tracking moving targets - you got it.
This camera was designed for high speed, high quality AF. I hope it lives up to it's potential, because if it does this is a landmark camera for Canon. The fact that it is an APS-C doesn't bother me, because I always intend to own more than 1 body. I also realize that there is now a very good chance that a FF camera with the same features might actually appear within the next year. I am also realistic enough to realize that if it does, it will NOT have a faster than 5fps frame rate.
I was right at the edge of putting all my canon gear up for sale and switching to nikon when the d700 came out, mainly because it didn't appear canon was very interested in keeping my business. The 5d2 has great image quality, but seemed very outclassed in every other respect. That appears to be changing now. From my perspective, the only thing that the d300s has that I would want is more tightly spaced AF points - but we'll see how tracking works in the 7d. I expect that the next FF camera from Canon will keep many of the 7d's enhancements
