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p.7 #1the d300s killer
traveler wrote:
One thing I've become very aware of. Is contrary to what I thought a while ago, there is clearly NOT a move on the part of the Nikon and Canon, to move towards FF sensors. Clearly nearly ALL of lens development on both sides is towards the cropped sensor lenses, as is the 3rd party development. This pi$$es me off to no end as I want to see far more releases of FF lenses. But clearly I am wrong on my understanding of where the industry would go. Seems they are very firmly encamped with DX or cropped sensor sizes....Show more →
What else could you possibly want? Nikon makes a fairly big platter of lens. I have some 3rd party lenses in my bag too which perform just as well as the Nikons. I think the lifestyle Nikon is working on is doing themselves wonders. Probably get another camera before the year ends and some bigger cameras next year.
You always seem so angry. Can't you be happy with what you got?
Chris
One thing I've become very aware of. Is contrary to what I thought a while ago, there is clearly NOT a move on the part of the Nikon and Canon, to move towards FF sensors. Clearly nearly ALL of lens development on both sides is towards the cropped sensor lenses, as is the 3rd party development. This pi$$es me off to no end as I want to see far more releases of FF lenses. But clearly I am wrong on my understanding of where the industry would go. Seems they are very firmly encamped with DX or cropped sensor sizes....Show more →
What else could you possibly want? Nikon makes a fairly big platter of lens. I have some 3rd party lenses in my bag too which perform just as well as the Nikons. I think the lifestyle Nikon is working on is doing themselves wonders. Probably get another camera before the year ends and some bigger cameras next year.
You always seem so angry. Can't you be happy with what you got?
Chris
Sep 03, 2009 at 03:52 PM
p.7 #2the d300s killer
traveler wrote:
One thing I've become very aware of. Is contrary to what I thought a while ago, there is clearly NOT a move on the part of the Nikon and Canon, to move towards FF sensors. Clearly nearly ALL of lens development on both sides is towards the cropped sensor lenses, as is the 3rd party development. This pi$$es me off to no end as I want to see far more releases of FF lenses. But clearly I am wrong on my understanding of where the industry would go. Seems they are very firmly encamped with DX or cropped sensor sizes....Show more →
Yeah, it's crazy. I don't know how we survive with just the lousy 14-24 / 24-70 and now new 70-200 lenses. On top of the who could possibly put up with the 300, 400, and 500mm primes? Geeze - what is Nikon thinking? No good lenses in FX...
One thing I've become very aware of. Is contrary to what I thought a while ago, there is clearly NOT a move on the part of the Nikon and Canon, to move towards FF sensors. Clearly nearly ALL of lens development on both sides is towards the cropped sensor lenses, as is the 3rd party development. This pi$$es me off to no end as I want to see far more releases of FF lenses. But clearly I am wrong on my understanding of where the industry would go. Seems they are very firmly encamped with DX or cropped sensor sizes....Show more →
Yeah, it's crazy. I don't know how we survive with just the lousy 14-24 / 24-70 and now new 70-200 lenses. On top of the who could possibly put up with the 300, 400, and 500mm primes? Geeze - what is Nikon thinking? No good lenses in FX...
Sep 03, 2009 at 04:04 PM
p.7 #5the d300s killer
Grognard wrote:
Its a 60D renamed 7D is it not?
You are correct. Phil Askey validated that today when he added it to the XXD forum along with the 40D and 50D over at dpreview.
Its a 60D renamed 7D is it not?
You are correct. Phil Askey validated that today when he added it to the XXD forum along with the 40D and 50D over at dpreview.
Sep 03, 2009 at 07:53 PM
p.7 #6the d300s killer
gman1339 wrote:
I'm only saying this because Canon did that before with the 20d to 30d, and while the 30d was an absolutely stunner of a camera people felt cheated by it. I wouldn't be surprise if some nikonian's feel the same way about the d300s.But what you fail point out is the fact that Nikon is calling the camera a D300s, not a D400. They did the same with the D2Hs and the D2Xs. They are enhancements made to existing cameras. They are not trying to pawn them off as new models like Canon did going from the 20D to the 30D. Heh true, but I don't think it's making my numerous amount of friends who have a d300 and now see the d300s and 7d come out feel better. Yes it doesn't make sense, but people are a little antsy right now.
I know, lets repeate the mantra...it's not the gear but the photographer....but it's about time for the successor of the d300 to come out. The D300s should of been released last year along with the d90.Is there really a need for a D400 from Nikon this year? I don't see it. They know 12MP is an excellent balance between resolution and image quality on a crop sensor. I heard all kinds of people saying that a Canon 40D was just as good of a camera as the D300 when the D300 was introduced. The 40D and D300 were both announced in August of 2007. Were is the 40D today? B&H says it's discontinued. It's not on the Canon USA website as a current camera. How has the 50D done with sales? The 7D is a...Show more →
Which is exactly what canon did when it sat on it's laurels and got it's ass handed to it by Nikon. Innovation when its not needed can be a great boon. The 40d is a extremely capable camera that was completely trounced by the d300...do you want Nikon to suffer the same fate for being lethargic?
By all means I'm very pro canon, but I want Nikon as my competition...not Sony. So Nikon please step up again.
trentchau wrote
gman1339 wrote
trentchau wrote
I think the only real killer part is the price difference between the 7d and D300s. Canon can ride on the fact that their camera is "Newer" and not a rehash of old tech.I'm only saying this because Canon did that before with the 20d to 30d, and while the 30d was an absolutely stunner of a camera people felt cheated by it. I wouldn't be surprise if some nikonian's feel the same way about the d300s.
I know, lets repeate the mantra...it's not the gear but the photographer....but it's about time for the successor of the d300 to come out. The D300s should of been released last year along with the d90.
Which is exactly what canon did when it sat on it's laurels and got it's ass handed to it by Nikon. Innovation when its not needed can be a great boon. The 40d is a extremely capable camera that was completely trounced by the d300...do you want Nikon to suffer the same fate for being lethargic?
By all means I'm very pro canon, but I want Nikon as my competition...not Sony. So Nikon please step up again.
Sep 03, 2009 at 08:28 PM
p.7 #7the d300s killer
Gawd I hope Nikon doesn't follow suit with a 18 or 20MP crop camera! Keep it at 12 and improve other things, like DR
But can't wait for the D700x to drop later this year (here's hoping!) so that D3/D700 prices plummet s'more!
But can't wait for the D700x to drop later this year (here's hoping!) so that D3/D700 prices plummet s'more!
Sep 03, 2009 at 08:50 PM
p.7 #8the d300s killer
David Baldwin wrote:
Troll alert ON
Now that Canon have their own version of the d300 does that mean Nikon are going to bring out their missing fast AF wide primes? Like a 24/28/35mm f1.4 AF?
Sorry just couldn't resist.
No need to apologise. Fast, wide-angle primes are perhaps the primary reason some Nikon shooters (like myself) still entertain thoughts of crossing over to the light side.
Troll alert ON
Now that Canon have their own version of the d300 does that mean Nikon are going to bring out their missing fast AF wide primes? Like a 24/28/35mm f1.4 AF?
Sorry just couldn't resist.
No need to apologise. Fast, wide-angle primes are perhaps the primary reason some Nikon shooters (like myself) still entertain thoughts of crossing over to the light side.
Sep 03, 2009 at 08:51 PM
p.7 #9the d300s killer
Competition is always good. And I sincerely hope that they got the AF right this time...
I'm still trying to find a soft (except for DPP) that can make a good conversion of 7D cr2's, the jpg's are all noise-reduced even if they're labeled as "no NR" in EXIF. I've never seen chrominance structures like that except for the tempered 50D and 5D2 files - a kind of lateral smearing and averaging effect. looks really strange if you check the a and b channels... :-/
Relying on DPP to deliver untampered results is kind of counterproductive. I wouldn't trust ANY maker-dependent soft to do exactly what it's told, not further than I could drop-kick Mr Westfall anyway...
It's definitely better than the 50D, on all ISO's. Strangely enough it needed 1/400 in stead of 1/500 to be able to make the 3200 testshot at IR, which suggests an even further depreciation of the ISO values in the Canon camp.
I hope I'm not breaking any copyright rules here by deep-linking Imaging Review pictures, but since I mention them I hope it's ok... Their comparometer has no "same size" option, which is a shame... They're a very good site for information and testshots otherwise.
This is a resampled array of pictures, all cameras (Nikon D5000, Canon 40D, 50D and 7D) all scaled to mid D5000/50D resolution.
http://pici.se/pictures/QNbuMaiFl.jpg
The 100% view can be found here:
http://pici.se/466144
I'm still trying to find a soft (except for DPP) that can make a good conversion of 7D cr2's, the jpg's are all noise-reduced even if they're labeled as "no NR" in EXIF. I've never seen chrominance structures like that except for the tempered 50D and 5D2 files - a kind of lateral smearing and averaging effect. looks really strange if you check the a and b channels... :-/
Relying on DPP to deliver untampered results is kind of counterproductive. I wouldn't trust ANY maker-dependent soft to do exactly what it's told, not further than I could drop-kick Mr Westfall anyway...
It's definitely better than the 50D, on all ISO's. Strangely enough it needed 1/400 in stead of 1/500 to be able to make the 3200 testshot at IR, which suggests an even further depreciation of the ISO values in the Canon camp.
I hope I'm not breaking any copyright rules here by deep-linking Imaging Review pictures, but since I mention them I hope it's ok... Their comparometer has no "same size" option, which is a shame... They're a very good site for information and testshots otherwise.
This is a resampled array of pictures, all cameras (Nikon D5000, Canon 40D, 50D and 7D) all scaled to mid D5000/50D resolution.
http://pici.se/pictures/QNbuMaiFl.jpg
The 100% view can be found here:
http://pici.se/466144
Sep 03, 2009 at 08:59 PM
p.7 #10the d300s killer
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Sep 03, 2009 at 09:05 PM
p.7 #11the d300s killer
One thing that I noticed immediately is that the Canon colour-balance of tradition seems to be gone. 7D shows more of the "very neutral" D5000 character. It's at least as good the D5000, and the difference is actually bigger in lower ISO's - but that was to be expected.
Since all three Canon testshots showed obvious signs of (at least) chroma NR, I've applied some to the D5000 picture as well. I do recommend the 100% view, if you want to see any real change.
Minimal hue and saturation changes have been done globally to make the comparison easier.
Since all three Canon testshots showed obvious signs of (at least) chroma NR, I've applied some to the D5000 picture as well. I do recommend the 100% view, if you want to see any real change.
Minimal hue and saturation changes have been done globally to make the comparison easier.
Sep 03, 2009 at 09:06 PM
p.7 #12the d300s killer
trentchau wrote:
I'm only saying this because Canon did that before with the 20d to 30d, and while the 30d was an absolutely stunner of a camera people felt cheated by it. I wouldn't be surprise if some nikonian's feel the same way about the d300s.But what you fail point out is the fact that Nikon is calling the camera a D300s, not a D400. They did the same with the D2Hs and the D2Xs. They are enhancements made to existing cameras. They are not trying to pawn them off as new models like Canon did going from the 20D to the 30D. Heh true, but I don't think it's making my numerous amount of friends who have a d300 and now see the d300s and 7d come out feel better. Yes it doesn't make sense, but people are a little antsy right now.
I know, lets repeate the mantra...it's not the gear but the photographer....but it's about time for the successor of the d300 to come out. The D300s should of been released last year along with the d90.Is there really a need for a D400 from Nikon this year? I don't see it. They know 12MP is an excellent balance between resolution and image quality on a crop sensor. I heard all kinds of people saying that a Canon 40D was just as good of a camera as the D300 when the D300 was introduced. The 40D and D300 were both announced in August of 2007. Were is the 40D today? B&H says it's discontinued. It's not on the Canon USA website as a current camera. How has the 50D done with sales? The 7D is a reaction to the success of the D300. It's a 60D that Canon had to call something else to save face. How would it look if they had discontinued both the 40D and the 50D in the lifespan of the D300? Which is exactly what canon did when it sat on it's laurels and got it's ass handed to it by Nikon. Innovation when its not needed can be a great boon. The 40d is a extremely capable camera that was completely trounced by the d300...do you want Nikon to suffer the same fate for being lethargic?
By all means I'm very pro canon, but I want Nikon as my competition...not Sony. So Nikon please step up again.
We don't even know if Canon has matched the D300 yet in a crop camera. Let alone passed them up. I'll wait for the 7D reviews. The 50D looked good on paper too, but we know how well that sold after the reviews went out. Canon is just now adding features that Nikon has had for years. I had a flash commander in my D70 back in 2004. The D2H had multiple grouped focusing points back in 2003. Cross type sensors that only work with lens/extender combinations of f/5.6 or faster. No restriction like that on the Nikons. Spot metering at all of the focusing points. Yep, every digital Nikon I've owned has that. I guess Canon has movie mode and pixel cramming going for it as it's major innovations recently. Nikon is always innovating, but why innovate the best selling product in it's class into early retirement?
gman1339 wrote
trentchau wrote
gman1339 wrote
trentchau wrote
I think the only real killer part is the price difference between the 7d and D300s. Canon can ride on the fact that their camera is "Newer" and not a rehash of old tech.I'm only saying this because Canon did that before with the 20d to 30d, and while the 30d was an absolutely stunner of a camera people felt cheated by it. I wouldn't be surprise if some nikonian's feel the same way about the d300s.
I know, lets repeate the mantra...it's not the gear but the photographer....but it's about time for the successor of the d300 to come out. The D300s should of been released last year along with the d90.
By all means I'm very pro canon, but I want Nikon as my competition...not Sony. So Nikon please step up again.
We don't even know if Canon has matched the D300 yet in a crop camera. Let alone passed them up. I'll wait for the 7D reviews. The 50D looked good on paper too, but we know how well that sold after the reviews went out. Canon is just now adding features that Nikon has had for years. I had a flash commander in my D70 back in 2004. The D2H had multiple grouped focusing points back in 2003. Cross type sensors that only work with lens/extender combinations of f/5.6 or faster. No restriction like that on the Nikons. Spot metering at all of the focusing points. Yep, every digital Nikon I've owned has that. I guess Canon has movie mode and pixel cramming going for it as it's major innovations recently. Nikon is always innovating, but why innovate the best selling product in it's class into early retirement?
Sep 03, 2009 at 09:22 PM
p.7 #13the d300s killer
gman1339 wrote:
I'm only saying this because Canon did that before with the 20d to 30d, and while the 30d was an absolutely stunner of a camera people felt cheated by it. I wouldn't be surprise if some nikonian's feel the same way about the d300s.But what you fail point out is the fact that Nikon is calling the camera a D300s, not a D400. They did the same with the D2Hs and the D2Xs. They are enhancements made to existing cameras. They are not trying to pawn them off as new models like Canon did going from the 20D to the 30D. Heh true, but I don't think it's making my numerous amount of friends who have a d300 and now see the d300s and 7d come out feel better. Yes it doesn't make sense, but people are a little antsy right now.
I know, lets repeate the mantra...it's not the gear but the photographer....but it's about time for the successor of the d300 to come out. The D300s should of been released last year along with the d90.Is there really a need for a D400 from Nikon this year? I don't see it. They know 12MP is an excellent balance between resolution and image quality on a crop sensor. I heard all kinds of people saying that a Canon 40D was just as good of a camera as the D300 when the D300 was introduced. The 40D and D300 were both announced in August of 2007. Were is the 40D today? B&H says it's discontinued. It's not on the Canon USA website as a current camera. How has the 50D done with sales? The 7D is a reaction to the success of the D300. It's a 60D that Canon had to call something else to save face. How would it look if they had discontinued both the 40D and the 50D in the lifespan of the D300? Which is exactly what canon did when it sat on it's laurels and got it's ass handed to it by Nikon. Innovation when its not needed can be a great boon. The 40d is a extremely capable camera that was completely trounced by the d300...do you want Nikon to suffer the same fate for being lethargic?
By all means I'm very pro canon, but I want Nikon as my competition...not Sony. So Nikon please step up again.We don't even know if Canon has matched the D300 yet in a crop camera. Let alone passed them up. I'll wait for the 7D reviews. The 50D looked good on paper too, but we know how well that sold after the reviews went out. Canon is just now adding features that Nikon has had for years. I had a flash commander in my D70 back in 2004. The D2H had multiple grouped focusing points back in 2003. Cross type sensors that only work with lens/extender combinations of f/5.6 or faster. No restriction like that on the Nikons. Spot metering...Show more →
Uhm Canon has had a Cmos sensor since 2001. While we are talking about innovations lets remember what both cameras had.
I think Nikon can really stand out by releasing things like
Built in gps, built in 3g capabilities (imagine uploading anywhere there's a 3g signal), built in body IS....
oddly strange stuff but ultimately useful things like that...I think that would be revolutionary.
The best part is Nikon is ballsy enough to do that.
Canon is great at being a monster releasing cameras that work, but may not be ground breaking right now. Nikon is big, but it still has the nerdy pentax in it and will release cool stuff that's main stream. That I respect.
and I have to repeat..../please please please Don't like Sony be the main competitor Nikon. Last thing we need is more proprietary stuff.
trentchau wrote
gman1339 wrote
trentchau wrote
gman1339 wrote
trentchau wrote
I think the only real killer part is the price difference between the 7d and D300s. Canon can ride on the fact that their camera is "Newer" and not a rehash of old tech.I'm only saying this because Canon did that before with the 20d to 30d, and while the 30d was an absolutely stunner of a camera people felt cheated by it. I wouldn't be surprise if some nikonian's feel the same way about the d300s.
I know, lets repeate the mantra...it's not the gear but the photographer....but it's about time for the successor of the d300 to come out. The D300s should of been released last year along with the d90.
By all means I'm very pro canon, but I want Nikon as my competition...not Sony. So Nikon please step up again.
Uhm Canon has had a Cmos sensor since 2001. While we are talking about innovations lets remember what both cameras had.
I think Nikon can really stand out by releasing things like
Built in gps, built in 3g capabilities (imagine uploading anywhere there's a 3g signal), built in body IS....
oddly strange stuff but ultimately useful things like that...I think that would be revolutionary.
The best part is Nikon is ballsy enough to do that.
Canon is great at being a monster releasing cameras that work, but may not be ground breaking right now. Nikon is big, but it still has the nerdy pentax in it and will release cool stuff that's main stream. That I respect.
and I have to repeat..../please please please Don't like Sony be the main competitor Nikon. Last thing we need is more proprietary stuff.
Sep 03, 2009 at 09:39 PM
p.7 #14the d300s killer
trentchau wrote:
Uhm Canon has had a Cmos sensor since 2001. While we are talking about innovations lets remember what both cameras had.
I think Nikon can really stand out by releasing things like
Built in gps, built in 3g capabilities (imagine uploading anywhere there's a 3g signal), built in body IS....
oddly strange stuff but ultimately useful things like that...I think that would be revolutionary.
The best part is Nikon is ballsy enough to do that.
Canon is great at being a monster releasing cameras that work, but may not be ground breaking right now. Nikon is big, but it still has the nerdy...Show more →
1. Nikon will always keep Canon on its toes. We are seeing it today more then ever then in the past. Sony won't touch that.
2. How is Canon a monster at making things that work? Maybe a monster in the terms of nasty, bad monster.... Not a raging successful monster
3. Nikon built many new things, I do not think for one minute they wouldn't try another thing to push the limit. Canon seems to be on the catching up side.
Chris
Uhm Canon has had a Cmos sensor since 2001. While we are talking about innovations lets remember what both cameras had.
I think Nikon can really stand out by releasing things like
Built in gps, built in 3g capabilities (imagine uploading anywhere there's a 3g signal), built in body IS....
oddly strange stuff but ultimately useful things like that...I think that would be revolutionary.
The best part is Nikon is ballsy enough to do that.
Canon is great at being a monster releasing cameras that work, but may not be ground breaking right now. Nikon is big, but it still has the nerdy...Show more →
1. Nikon will always keep Canon on its toes. We are seeing it today more then ever then in the past. Sony won't touch that.
2. How is Canon a monster at making things that work? Maybe a monster in the terms of nasty, bad monster.... Not a raging successful monster
3. Nikon built many new things, I do not think for one minute they wouldn't try another thing to push the limit. Canon seems to be on the catching up side.
Chris
Sep 03, 2009 at 10:39 PM
p.7 #15the d300s killer
Chris Langer wrote:
I think Nikon can really stand out by releasing things like
Built in gps, built in 3g capabilities (imagine uploading anywhere there's a 3g signal), built in body IS....
oddly strange stuff but ultimately useful things like that...I think that would be revolutionary.
The best part is Nikon is ballsy enough to do that.
Canon is great at being a monster releasing cameras that work, but may not be ground breaking right now. Nikon is big, but it still has the nerdy pentax in it and will release cool stuff that's main stream. That I respect.
and I have to repeat..../please please please Don't like Sony be the main competitor Nikon. Last thing we need is more proprietary stuff.1. Nikon will always keep Canon on its toes. We are seeing it today more then ever then in the past. Sony won't touch that.
2. How is Canon a monster at making things that work? Maybe a monster in the terms of nasty, bad monster.... Not a raging successful monster
3. Nikon built many new things, I do not think for one minute they wouldn't try another thing to push the limit. Canon seems to be on the catching up side.
Chris
Because outside of Cameras, Canon has more money than Nikon. Canon Imaging rakes in a ton more money than Nikon...it's a Monster. Sony is a monster also.
I agree about about Nikon building many new things. Both Companies are catching up with each other. On the SLR front Canon is catching up with the mid range prosumer in af points (which I don't give a hoot about, my AF has been fine) but they are completely passed Nikon on the video side (which many of you don't care about, but has lead to a crazy amount of sales of 5d). We could all beat chest about specifics (lol p6000 vs. G10)....but I think we are all graduated past that.
To get back on subject though about the 7D being a D300s killer. I agree that it is now.
Lets take it from a perspective of someone buying a camera for the first time, and instead of a rebel, d5000, or d90 they were going to bite the bullet and spend a bit. I think the 7d is more enticing the the d300s right now, and both being released at the same time the d300s will probably have some sales figures affected by it.
Mixed with the fact that the d300 is already super capable and not many of it's users are going to upgrade to it, the sales of the d300s "might" not be that great.
So no real need to offend anyone with it. We all agree the d300 "Killed" the 40d, but the 40d is a very capable camera that still worked. The 7D in this case will probably do the same and kill the "d300s".
No biggie, we all benefit right?
trentchau wrote
Uhm Canon has had a Cmos sensor since 2001. While we are talking about innovations lets remember what both cameras had.I think Nikon can really stand out by releasing things like
Built in gps, built in 3g capabilities (imagine uploading anywhere there's a 3g signal), built in body IS....
oddly strange stuff but ultimately useful things like that...I think that would be revolutionary.
The best part is Nikon is ballsy enough to do that.
Canon is great at being a monster releasing cameras that work, but may not be ground breaking right now. Nikon is big, but it still has the nerdy pentax in it and will release cool stuff that's main stream. That I respect.
and I have to repeat..../please please please Don't like Sony be the main competitor Nikon. Last thing we need is more proprietary stuff.
2. How is Canon a monster at making things that work? Maybe a monster in the terms of nasty, bad monster.... Not a raging successful monster
3. Nikon built many new things, I do not think for one minute they wouldn't try another thing to push the limit. Canon seems to be on the catching up side.
Chris
Because outside of Cameras, Canon has more money than Nikon. Canon Imaging rakes in a ton more money than Nikon...it's a Monster. Sony is a monster also.
I agree about about Nikon building many new things. Both Companies are catching up with each other. On the SLR front Canon is catching up with the mid range prosumer in af points (which I don't give a hoot about, my AF has been fine) but they are completely passed Nikon on the video side (which many of you don't care about, but has lead to a crazy amount of sales of 5d). We could all beat chest about specifics (lol p6000 vs. G10)....but I think we are all graduated past that.
To get back on subject though about the 7D being a D300s killer. I agree that it is now.
Lets take it from a perspective of someone buying a camera for the first time, and instead of a rebel, d5000, or d90 they were going to bite the bullet and spend a bit. I think the 7d is more enticing the the d300s right now, and both being released at the same time the d300s will probably have some sales figures affected by it.
Mixed with the fact that the d300 is already super capable and not many of it's users are going to upgrade to it, the sales of the d300s "might" not be that great.
So no real need to offend anyone with it. We all agree the d300 "Killed" the 40d, but the 40d is a very capable camera that still worked. The 7D in this case will probably do the same and kill the "d300s".
No biggie, we all benefit right?
Sep 04, 2009 at 01:53 AM
p.7 #16the d300s killer
Pavel wrote:
I will get excited, really excited when Canon introduces some of the technology that Canon users used to have long ago. Eye control? Pelicle mirror? Oooh ya.
I really miss the eye control... found it to be a phenomenally useful feature. Do we know why it went away and never returned?
I will get excited, really excited when Canon introduces some of the technology that Canon users used to have long ago. Eye control? Pelicle mirror? Oooh ya.
I really miss the eye control... found it to be a phenomenally useful feature. Do we know why it went away and never returned?
Sep 04, 2009 at 02:17 AM
p.7 #17the d300s killer
It's fair to say that Canon has a real winner here. The resolution is much better than on the D300s, high ISO noise is surprisingly well controlled and it renders the best colours I've seen out of a Canon digital camera in a long time, possibly ever.
Also, video from the 7D seems to be in a class of its own, with all the options one could dream of. There's a beautiful sequence here:
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/eosmovie/index.html
Also, video from the 7D seems to be in a class of its own, with all the options one could dream of. There's a beautiful sequence here:
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/eosmovie/index.html
Sep 04, 2009 at 02:56 AM
p.7 #18the d300s killer
trentchau wrote:
I think Nikon can really stand out by releasing things like
Built in gps, built in 3g capabilities (imagine uploading anywhere there's a 3g signal), built in body IS....
Nikon has release their own GPS unit (the GP-1) if you want to geotag.
3g is too slow for file uploading (especially for a large number of large images) to be of any use. That's why the iphone users are always looking for wifi connections.
Nikon has already dismissed in body IS (VR) because VR in each of their lenses is designed specifically for that lens. They feel a generic in body VR would not be the optimal way to go.
I think Nikon can really stand out by releasing things like
Built in gps, built in 3g capabilities (imagine uploading anywhere there's a 3g signal), built in body IS....
Nikon has release their own GPS unit (the GP-1) if you want to geotag.
3g is too slow for file uploading (especially for a large number of large images) to be of any use. That's why the iphone users are always looking for wifi connections.
Nikon has already dismissed in body IS (VR) because VR in each of their lenses is designed specifically for that lens. They feel a generic in body VR would not be the optimal way to go.
Sep 04, 2009 at 06:06 AM
p.7 #19the d300s killer
Jorgen Udvang wrote:
It's fair to say that Canon has a real winner here. The resolution is much better than on the D300s, high ISO noise is surprisingly well controlled and it renders the best colours I've seen out of a Canon digital camera in a long time, possibly ever.
Also, video from the 7D seems to be in a class of its own, with all the options one could dream of. There's a beautiful sequence here:
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/eosmovie/index.html
The killer for this camera will be the autofocus. And I have't seen any glowing reports or proof that it works well in AI-Servo for action. With 8 FPS that's what this camera is going to be pushed as, a low budget action cam. And if the autofocus doesn't deliver sales will dry up. The autofocus performance on the D300s is a known factor, and the 7D needs to at least match it. And we know the recent autofocus history of Canon (broken in the 1D MK III and untouched from the 5D to the 5D II).
It's fair to say that Canon has a real winner here. The resolution is much better than on the D300s, high ISO noise is surprisingly well controlled and it renders the best colours I've seen out of a Canon digital camera in a long time, possibly ever.
Also, video from the 7D seems to be in a class of its own, with all the options one could dream of. There's a beautiful sequence here:
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/eosmovie/index.html
The killer for this camera will be the autofocus. And I have't seen any glowing reports or proof that it works well in AI-Servo for action. With 8 FPS that's what this camera is going to be pushed as, a low budget action cam. And if the autofocus doesn't deliver sales will dry up. The autofocus performance on the D300s is a known factor, and the 7D needs to at least match it. And we know the recent autofocus history of Canon (broken in the 1D MK III and untouched from the 5D to the 5D II).
Sep 04, 2009 at 06:15 AM
p.7 #20the d300s killer
gman1339 wrote:
Built in gps, built in 3g capabilities (imagine uploading anywhere there's a 3g signal), built in body IS....Nikon has release their own GPS unit (the GP-1) if you want to geotag.
3g is too slow for file uploading (especially for a large number of large images) to be of any use. That's why the iphone users are always looking for wifi connections.
Nikon has already dismissed in body IS (VR) because VR in each of their lenses is designed specifically for that lens. They feel a generic in body VR would not be the optimal way to go.
Optimal for their profit margins as they can charge more per VR lens than having the all inclusive in-body IS.
trentchau wrote
I think Nikon can really stand out by releasing things likeBuilt in gps, built in 3g capabilities (imagine uploading anywhere there's a 3g signal), built in body IS....
3g is too slow for file uploading (especially for a large number of large images) to be of any use. That's why the iphone users are always looking for wifi connections.
Nikon has already dismissed in body IS (VR) because VR in each of their lenses is designed specifically for that lens. They feel a generic in body VR would not be the optimal way to go.
Optimal for their profit margins as they can charge more per VR lens than having the all inclusive in-body IS.
Sep 04, 2009 at 06:47 AM