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Archive 2009Official 7D Thread
p.5 #1Official 7D Thread
kahren wrote:
this 7d thing, if it has just as good of AF as 1 series, seems like they are killing the 1d and the next 1ds4 will be both the 1d and 1ds put together.
Doubtful on all accounts, OTOH time will tell
this 7d thing, if it has just as good of AF as 1 series, seems like they are killing the 1d and the next 1ds4 will be both the 1d and 1ds put together.
Doubtful on all accounts, OTOH time will tell
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:24 PM
p.5 #2Official 7D Thread
kahren wrote:
If they somehow managed to do it, I would definitely be intrigued.i think the 7d high iso will be at least as good/bad as the 50d
from dpreview
"18 Megapixel C MOS sensor. The EOS 7D sports a new 18 MP APS-C CMOS sensor which is an in-house development. Canon claims the sensor delivers an improved signal to noise ratio which is achieved through a new photodiode and microlens design. The EOS 7D's sensor features the gapless microlenses that we first saw on the EOS 50D but on the new model the distance between microlenses and photodiodes has been reduced which results in the light being more easily focused onto the photodiode."
Just looking at the results/samples on imaging-resource I'm already sold. You can clearly see banding in the 50D shots @ ISO 1600 and 3200, it's nowhere to be found in the 7D shots. I notice no banding, less chroma noise in the shadows, and more detailed images than the 50D when looking at ISO 1600 and 3200 shots with the 7D. I know there is more processing power so I hope the RAWs look just as good, but the absence of banding and the features have sold me. I guess they really did improve something!
Nick Nishizaka wrote
Let's just hope that they haven't sacrificed even more high ISO noise performance for more MP's, which we really didn't need on a cropper.If they somehow managed to do it, I would definitely be intrigued.
from dpreview
"18 Megapixel C MOS sensor. The EOS 7D sports a new 18 MP APS-C CMOS sensor which is an in-house development. Canon claims the sensor delivers an improved signal to noise ratio which is achieved through a new photodiode and microlens design. The EOS 7D's sensor features the gapless microlenses that we first saw on the EOS 50D but on the new model the distance between microlenses and photodiodes has been reduced which results in the light being more easily focused onto the photodiode."
Just looking at the results/samples on imaging-resource I'm already sold. You can clearly see banding in the 50D shots @ ISO 1600 and 3200, it's nowhere to be found in the 7D shots. I notice no banding, less chroma noise in the shadows, and more detailed images than the 50D when looking at ISO 1600 and 3200 shots with the 7D. I know there is more processing power so I hope the RAWs look just as good, but the absence of banding and the features have sold me. I guess they really did improve something!
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:30 PM
p.5 #3Official 7D Thread
trumpet_guy wrote:
There should be a 5D MkIII that will inherit the new AF. Sorry we need to wait for it,
but I think the next 5D will be very compelling.
I agree with that 100%.
There should be a 5D MkIII that will inherit the new AF. Sorry we need to wait for it,
but I think the next 5D will be very compelling.
I agree with that 100%.
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:34 PM
p.5 #4Official 7D Thread
The imaging resource ISO 200 shots are super clean! I think it will be a winnAr!
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:36 PM
p.5 #5Official 7D Thread
trumpet_guy wrote:
There should be a 5D MkIII that will inherit the new AF.
OR a 3D announced along side the 1DIV
...wishful thinking, I know 
There should be a 5D MkIII that will inherit the new AF.
OR a 3D announced along side the 1DIV
...wishful thinking, I know Aug 31, 2009 at 11:40 PM
p.5 #6Official 7D Thread
Roberts site say street price of $1699 but I am wondering if it will be less than this at B&H etc
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:41 PM
p.5 #7Official 7D Thread
The viewfinder overlay functions sound so awesome. Hopefully the focusing screen will be good enough for manual focusing. A compositional grid overlay + good focusing screen = fun time manual focusing. The 100% coverage is already fantastic.
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:43 PM
p.5 #8Official 7D Thread
LCollector wrote:
Does owning this camera mean a mandatory upgrade to Photoshop CS4 ?
No of course not, you can use a DNG converter and then edit in CS whatever or just buy Lightroom
Does owning this camera mean a mandatory upgrade to Photoshop CS4 ?
No of course not, you can use a DNG converter and then edit in CS whatever or just buy Lightroom
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:52 PM
p.5 #9Official 7D Thread
at least i have found a companion with my 5d2! time to travel all over china with this 1-2 combination ... one is slow, the other fast, just like the "Muhamad Ali" knockout punch!
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Aug 31, 2009 at 11:53 PM
p.5 #10Official 7D Thread
Anyone know if the on board flash master can dial in manual settings? It looks like it can only do E-TTL2 ratios and no full manual.
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:54 PM
p.5 #11Official 7D Thread
Thank you Canon. With the new 7D there will be even more 40Ds on the market and lowering their price. I'll have one a lot sooner than expected. I have seen enough photos on this site to know that the 40D will be enough for me and at probaly less than half the price of the 7D.
Lynn
Lynn
Aug 31, 2009 at 11:58 PM
p.5 #12Official 7D Thread
tanglefoot47 wrote:
Roberts site say street price of $1699 but I am wondering if it will be less than this at B&H etc
Not likely for many months, especially if demand outstrips supply. If it's as good as the hype and, with the economy starting to rebound, it will fly out the door as fast as they can make them. The price won't drift down until sales start to slow.
Roberts site say street price of $1699 but I am wondering if it will be less than this at B&H etc
Not likely for many months, especially if demand outstrips supply. If it's as good as the hype and, with the economy starting to rebound, it will fly out the door as fast as they can make them. The price won't drift down until sales start to slow.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:00 AM
p.5 #13Official 7D Thread
M Vers wrote:
"New Flash and Wireless Flash Control. The 7D is the first Canon EOS to come with an Integrated Speedlite Transmitter. The system allows to control up to three groups of four flashes each. With 15mm the built-in flash features wider flash coverage than previous models. Its guide number is 12/39 (ISO 100, in meters/feet)."
VERY interesting...and equally as awesome.
Man they now have to release a wireless macro flash to replace MT-24EX.
"New Flash and Wireless Flash Control. The 7D is the first Canon EOS to come with an Integrated Speedlite Transmitter. The system allows to control up to three groups of four flashes each. With 15mm the built-in flash features wider flash coverage than previous models. Its guide number is 12/39 (ISO 100, in meters/feet)."
VERY interesting...and equally as awesome.
Man they now have to release a wireless macro flash to replace MT-24EX.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:05 AM
p.5 #14Official 7D Thread
Canon's website says that the new AF system is the most advanced that has ever been put in an EOS camera. Sounds impressive. And a 100% viewfinder than can be enlarged electronically - how cool for those of us with tired eyes.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:10 AM
p.5 #15Official 7D Thread
Looks killer. I'm due an upgrade and this combined with the 17-55 efs should be a winning combo.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:13 AM
p.5 #16Official 7D Thread
Anon Moss wrote:
Canon's website says that the new AF system is the most advanced that has ever been put in an EOS camera. Sounds impressive. And a 100% viewfinder than can be enlarged electronically - how cool for those of us with tired eyes.
This camera really does seem like a kick in the balls to the 5D2 buyers. Much the way I thought the 1Ds3 buyers got kicked when the 5D2 was announced.
Canon's website says that the new AF system is the most advanced that has ever been put in an EOS camera. Sounds impressive. And a 100% viewfinder than can be enlarged electronically - how cool for those of us with tired eyes.
This camera really does seem like a kick in the balls to the 5D2 buyers. Much the way I thought the 1Ds3 buyers got kicked when the 5D2 was announced.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:13 AM
p.5 #17Official 7D Thread
M Vers wrote:
How, exactly, do you arrive at that conclusion?In all practicalities, it doesn't. Price is the biggest selling point for the 7D, its pretty dang cheap for what you get.
1D3 advantage:
-more AF points, but really, I never used all 45, just the main 19 (moot too, 5D2 focus is perfect for me)
-full sealing and more robust (I don't need this, I use 5D2s)
-8fps is just as good as 10fps, cmon
-1.3x, the saving grace of 1D3
7D advantage:
-price is 33% of 1D3
-built in wireless commander
-new metering (could be a bad thing, who knows, but sounds promising)
-video (for those that care, I don't really)
Weighing the "bang for buck" the 7D wins easily, no question, but then again 1D3 is almost 3 years old, so my assumption was that a stellar 1D4 is probably right around the corner, my guess before end of yearGranted the 7D has several new, fairly attractive, features implemented but there still is no solid proof that it outperforms the 1DIII in terms of handling, AF and IQ--specifically ISO performance. As for sealing, it seems as if Canon has finally released a non 1-series body with what looks like full weather sealing. Body wise, it is built using the same materials as 1-series bodies.
I'm not expecting miracles; the 1D III should have the edge in AF and we know it's IQ is superb including noise. But for $1700 you can't really complain unless they have some how stuffed this AF up too.
Well RG is unimpressed already.
sboerup wrote
M Vers wrote
sboerup wrote
Considering the 1D3 doesnt really have much of an advantage over the 7D...1D3 advantage:
-more AF points, but really, I never used all 45, just the main 19 (moot too, 5D2 focus is perfect for me)
-full sealing and more robust (I don't need this, I use 5D2s)
-8fps is just as good as 10fps, cmon
-1.3x, the saving grace of 1D3
7D advantage:
-price is 33% of 1D3
-built in wireless commander
-new metering (could be a bad thing, who knows, but sounds promising)
-video (for those that care, I don't really)
Weighing the "bang for buck" the 7D wins easily, no question, but then again 1D3 is almost 3 years old, so my assumption was that a stellar 1D4 is probably right around the corner, my guess before end of year
I'm not expecting miracles; the 1D III should have the edge in AF and we know it's IQ is superb including noise. But for $1700 you can't really complain unless they have some how stuffed this AF up too.
Well RG is unimpressed already.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:15 AM
p.5 #18Official 7D Thread
Judging from the high ISO samples on RG's site and from his comments, image quality looks to be on par with the 50D (for better or worse), with a bit more resolution.
Since so many people seem to complain about the 50D's image quality and noise (and not about its shooting performance), I wonder how long the outpouring of love for the 7D will last...
Since so many people seem to complain about the 50D's image quality and noise (and not about its shooting performance), I wonder how long the outpouring of love for the 7D will last...
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:15 AM
p.5 #19Official 7D Thread
One of the things that stood out is that this camera can do 1080p at 24fps. Considering there's a nice community built around videographers and the 5dm2, I'm sort of hoping that Canon will make the same video features on the 7d available on the 5dm2.
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:17 AM
p.5 #20Official 7D Thread
I know this is wishful thinking, but I hope Canon will update the 5D2's firmware to include the 24FPS and 720p options.
And as a side note, I do feel a little jaded, but that's life! The 7D seems amazing... would be a great back up body
And as a side note, I do feel a little jaded, but that's life! The 7D seems amazing... would be a great back up body
Sep 01, 2009 at 12:17 AM