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Archive 2009Official 7D Thread
p.17 #1Official 7D Thread
bobbyz wrote:
He used Zone AF with 9 points in the center for the dog test using 200mm f2. That should theorically give best AI servo performance as you got assist points in addition to center point and according to him, he got nothing out of 80 frames that he shot.
That is so poor I could only believe hardware failure for 0 keepers. Even my 40D at it's worst with a slow ass zoom gets about 30% keepers in AI servo.
Surprising with the same settings on the 800 he got great results.
He used Zone AF with 9 points in the center for the dog test using 200mm f2. That should theorically give best AI servo performance as you got assist points in addition to center point and according to him, he got nothing out of 80 frames that he shot.
That is so poor I could only believe hardware failure for 0 keepers. Even my 40D at it's worst with a slow ass zoom gets about 30% keepers in AI servo.
Surprising with the same settings on the 800 he got great results.
Sep 01, 2009 at 05:36 PM
p.17 #2Official 7D Thread
Geert Koning wrote:
Is this new AF really so much better then the 50D and comparable with the 1D AF ?
It stil has only one center AF point that is high precision at 2.8 it only has 10 extra cross type 5.6 AF points
The 1D3 has 18 cross type high precision at 2.8 and the center point is high precision at 4
Yes, hence the $2300 price difference. How many people use the outer points on a 1D III with f/2.8 glass for fast AI servo?
Is this new AF really so much better then the 50D and comparable with the 1D AF ?
It stil has only one center AF point that is high precision at 2.8 it only has 10 extra cross type 5.6 AF points
The 1D3 has 18 cross type high precision at 2.8 and the center point is high precision at 4
Yes, hence the $2300 price difference. How many people use the outer points on a 1D III with f/2.8 glass for fast AI servo?
Sep 01, 2009 at 05:40 PM
p.17 #3Official 7D Thread
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
This is very bad news for people who prefer manual focus. It is not likely that they have managed to electronically "overlay" a super-precision S-type screen.
F%^k you, Canon.Again not exactly the wording I'd use 
But I agree. The super-matte screen is the best thing since sliced bread for large aperture lenses, and looks like going forward it won't be an option anymore. I'm assuming this LCD overlay tech will see its way into all future cameras 7D and up.
How do Nikon's like the D3, D700 fair with super fast glass and manual focus. They have interchangeable screens don't they? But is their standard screen better than the 5D II's?
cogitech wrote
tbartick wrote
No need to purchase after market "focus" screens!! Now just a push of a button will do the trick! Thank you, Canon.F%^k you, Canon.
But I agree. The super-matte screen is the best thing since sliced bread for large aperture lenses, and looks like going forward it won't be an option anymore. I'm assuming this LCD overlay tech will see its way into all future cameras 7D and up.How do Nikon's like the D3, D700 fair with super fast glass and manual focus. They have interchangeable screens don't they? But is their standard screen better than the 5D II's?
Sep 01, 2009 at 05:43 PM
p.17 #4Official 7D Thread
David Baldwin wrote:
Is anyone else here slightly baffled what exactly the 7D is for? Who is it aimed at? Is it just an expensive 60D or am I missing something fundamental?
Not trying to start a flame war or anything, but I am honestly puzzled. Looking for enlightenment
Sports, birding, wildlife, macro would be my main uses. That high pixel density with decent noise means serious reach (via cropping) less need for TC's, large prints.
Who is a 1 series 1D III aimed at?
Is anyone else here slightly baffled what exactly the 7D is for? Who is it aimed at? Is it just an expensive 60D or am I missing something fundamental?
Not trying to start a flame war or anything, but I am honestly puzzled. Looking for enlightenment
Sports, birding, wildlife, macro would be my main uses. That high pixel density with decent noise means serious reach (via cropping) less need for TC's, large prints.
Who is a 1 series 1D III aimed at?
Sep 01, 2009 at 05:48 PM
p.17 #5Official 7D Thread
dgrinde wrote:
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.
They look bad, but the imaging resources shots look much better IMO. ISO 800 was very clean and ISO 1600 good. This is better than I expected. If I only saw RG's shots I'd be disappointed.
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.
They look bad, but the imaging resources shots look much better IMO. ISO 800 was very clean and ISO 1600 good. This is better than I expected. If I only saw RG's shots I'd be disappointed.
Sep 01, 2009 at 05:51 PM
p.17 #6Official 7D Thread
Antje wrote:
There's one from Metz that's wireless, relatively cheap and quite good. I use it for my MP-E.
Antje
Thanks Antje. I check it out. Does it support ETTL I/II?
There's one from Metz that's wireless, relatively cheap and quite good. I use it for my MP-E.
Antje
Thanks Antje. I check it out. Does it support ETTL I/II?
Sep 01, 2009 at 05:53 PM
p.17 #7Official 7D Thread
BennyR wrote:
The one thing I haven't seen is whether or not the 7D has Micro adjust. Sorry if this was covered, I did look. I can't imagine they would not include that.
Yes of course it has Micro Adjust. Its in many of the previews (well, the DPReview one at least)
The one thing I haven't seen is whether or not the 7D has Micro adjust. Sorry if this was covered, I did look. I can't imagine they would not include that.
Yes of course it has Micro Adjust. Its in many of the previews (well, the DPReview one at least)
Sep 01, 2009 at 05:56 PM
p.17 #8Official 7D Thread
Pixel Perfect wrote:
They look bad, but the imaging resources shots look much better IMO. ISO 800 was very clean and ISO 1600 good. This is better than I expected. If I only saw RG's shots I'd be disappointed.
he shot a band under weak natural lighting, what do you expect, the 5d2 looked worse there too and that is far from how bad things can look under really, really poor lighting
dgrinde wrote
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.he shot a band under weak natural lighting, what do you expect, the 5d2 looked worse there too and that is far from how bad things can look under really, really poor lighting
Sep 01, 2009 at 05:57 PM
p.17 #9Official 7D Thread
skibum5 wrote:
Sigh... not that moderately priced in the UK - £1699, which converts (at today's exchange rate) to $2755...
wow, that is insane. But at least you guys make it inexpensive for the rest of the world 
. (sorry, sorry, wow, that is horrible pricing, insane!)
Britain get's high prices to make up for the fact they have such great weather. You can't have too much of a good thing in life.
keithreeder wrote
Tom_W wrote
I think that Canon just did well. A moderately-priced, feature-packed camera.. (sorry, sorry, wow, that is horrible pricing, insane!)Britain get's high prices to make up for the fact they have such great weather. You can't have too much of a good thing in life.
Sep 01, 2009 at 05:58 PM
p.17 #10Official 7D Thread
skibum5 wrote:
just yesterday i had some birds up in the trees and the branches had the 5d2 af so confused it was hopeless it wouldnt lock was jumping all over only way was to MF.
Yeah, so once in a while being able to tweak the focus manually has its uses - it's hardly a must-have for most of the time, for most users.
The fact that you were doing it - I'm guessing without a specially-designed-for-MF replacement focusing screen - kinda proves my point.
The 7D isn't going to stop anyone from MFing...
I've read hundreds and hundred of postings on Nikon forums, and can't remember anyone in Nikon Land complaining about the focusing screens in the more recent Nikons (which are functionally very like the 7D screen on the face of it) complaining about a game-changing inability to MF as a result of their introduction.
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just yesterday i had some birds up in the trees and the branches had the 5d2 af so confused it was hopeless it wouldnt lock was jumping all over only way was to MF.
Yeah, so once in a while being able to tweak the focus manually has its uses - it's hardly a must-have for most of the time, for most users.
The fact that you were doing it - I'm guessing without a specially-designed-for-MF replacement focusing screen - kinda proves my point.
The 7D isn't going to stop anyone from MFing...
I've read hundreds and hundred of postings on Nikon forums, and can't remember anyone in Nikon Land complaining about the focusing screens in the more recent Nikons (which are functionally very like the 7D screen on the face of it) complaining about a game-changing inability to MF as a result of their introduction.
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Sep 01, 2009 at 05:58 PM
p.17 #11Official 7D Thread
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Britain get's high prices to make up for the fact they have such great weather. You can't have too much of a good thing in life.
Oh, no you didn't!
Britain get's high prices to make up for the fact they have such great weather. You can't have too much of a good thing in life.
Oh, no you didn't!
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:00 PM
p.17 #12Official 7D Thread
skibum5 wrote:
They look bad, but the imaging resources shots look much better IMO. ISO 800 was very clean and ISO 1600 good. This is better than I expected. If I only saw RG's shots I'd be disappointed.he shot a band under weak natural lighting, what do you expect, the 5d2 looked worse there too and that is far from how bad things can look under really, really poor lighting
I shot in a dark dinghy pub at ISO 1600 on the 5D and it was no where this bad. Ok 5D has giant pixels, but in 3 years of ownership I only used NR a few times.
Anyway I'm waiting for controlled testing of 7D vs 40D vs 50D vs 5D II. So far it seems the 7D is better than the 50D at the pixel level and not just at the print level.
Pixel Perfect wrote
dgrinde wrote
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.I shot in a dark dinghy pub at ISO 1600 on the 5D and it was no where this bad. Ok 5D has giant pixels, but in 3 years of ownership I only used NR a few times.
Anyway I'm waiting for controlled testing of 7D vs 40D vs 50D vs 5D II. So far it seems the 7D is better than the 50D at the pixel level and not just at the print level.
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:02 PM
p.17 #13Official 7D Thread
keithreeder wrote:
Yeah, so once in a while being able to tweak the focus manually has its uses - it's hardly a must-have for most of the time, for most users.
The fact that you were doing it - I'm guessing without a specially-designed-for-MF replacement focusing screen - kinda proves my point.
The 7D isn't going to stop anyone from MFing...
I do have a special focusing screen. I had one in my old 20D too.
skibum5 wrote
just yesterday i had some birds up in the trees and the branches had the 5d2 af so confused it was hopeless it wouldnt lock was jumping all over only way was to MF.The fact that you were doing it - I'm guessing without a specially-designed-for-MF replacement focusing screen - kinda proves my point.
The 7D isn't going to stop anyone from MFing...
I do have a special focusing screen. I had one in my old 20D too.
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:05 PM
p.17 #14Official 7D Thread
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Sigh... not that moderately priced in the UK - £1699, which converts (at today's exchange rate) to $2755...
wow, that is insane. But at least you guys make it inexpensive for the rest of the world . (sorry, sorry, wow, that is horrible pricing, insane!)Britain get's high prices to make up for the fact they have such great weather. You can't have too much of a good thing in life.
Did I mention that some people (not in Britain) just got the 7D for under $1400 US today. (running and ducking....)
skibum5 wrote
keithreeder wrote
Tom_W wrote
I think that Canon just did well. A moderately-priced, feature-packed camera.. (sorry, sorry, wow, that is horrible pricing, insane!)Did I mention that some people (not in Britain) just got the 7D for under $1400 US today.
(running and ducking....)Sep 01, 2009 at 06:06 PM
p.17 #15Official 7D Thread
OK,
and - really - how often does it save the shot?
Put it another way: for your shooting, is "old-style" hardcore MF capability essential?
Even if it is, I'll bet you're in a vanishingly small minority.
Edited on Sep 01, 2009 at 06:11 PM · View previous versions
and - really - how often does it save the shot?
Put it another way: for your shooting, is "old-style" hardcore MF capability essential?
Even if it is, I'll bet you're in a vanishingly small minority.
Edited on Sep 01, 2009 at 06:11 PM · View previous versions
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:08 PM
p.17 #16Official 7D Thread
skibum5 wrote:
Did I mention that some people (not in Britain) just got the 7D for under $1400 US today. (running and ducking....)
Ouch!
Still, one of our bigger retailers is offering £150 minimum trade-in on any DSLR - it means I can do something with an old Nikon D70 I've had sitting around forever.
Did I mention that some people (not in Britain) just got the 7D for under $1400 US today.
(running and ducking....)Ouch!
Still, one of our bigger retailers is offering £150 minimum trade-in on any DSLR - it means I can do something with an old Nikon D70 I've had sitting around forever.
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:11 PM
p.17 #17Official 7D Thread
keithreeder wrote:
OK,
and - really - how often does it save the shot?
Put it another way: for your shooting, is "old-style" hardcore MF capability essential?
Even if it is, I'll bet you're be in a vanishingly small minority.
No, but it certainly has helped quite a few times and i think it is a lot more useful than some grid showing up magically IMO.
OK,
and - really - how often does it save the shot?
Put it another way: for your shooting, is "old-style" hardcore MF capability essential?
Even if it is, I'll bet you're be in a vanishingly small minority.
No, but it certainly has helped quite a few times and i think it is a lot more useful than some grid showing up magically IMO.
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:12 PM
p.17 #18Official 7D Thread
skibum5 wrote:
They look bad, but the imaging resources shots look much better IMO. ISO 800 was very clean and ISO 1600 good. This is better than I expected. If I only saw RG's shots I'd be disappointed.he shot a band under weak natural lighting, what do you expect, the 5d2 looked worse there too and that is far from how bad things can look under really, really poor lighting
I'm pretty sure RG used only chroma noise reduction in DPP, then converted the files with sharpening set to 0 and then did standard pre-sharpening in Photoshop. This means that little or no luminance channel noise reduction was done on those files.
Philosophically, some people avoid too much noise processing, and prefer the film-grain look with type of workflow. I can get less noisy (but still film-like) results than this from either the 5D2 or 50D using conservative settings in Neat Image.
If you take a look at RG's ISO 3200 and 6400 samples, you'll see some desaturation of colors: this is a signature characteristic of Canon's chroma noise reduction, and you'll see this from in-camera JPEGs or in DPP conversions.
Edited on Sep 01, 2009 at 06:22 PM · View previous versions
Pixel Perfect wrote
dgrinde wrote
A little disapointed with HIGH ISO NOISE on 7d based on RG pictures, ouch. They didn't look much better than my 40D.I'm pretty sure RG used only chroma noise reduction in DPP, then converted the files with sharpening set to 0 and then did standard pre-sharpening in Photoshop. This means that little or no luminance channel noise reduction was done on those files.
Philosophically, some people avoid too much noise processing, and prefer the film-grain look with type of workflow. I can get less noisy (but still film-like) results than this from either the 5D2 or 50D using conservative settings in Neat Image.
If you take a look at RG's ISO 3200 and 6400 samples, you'll see some desaturation of colors: this is a signature characteristic of Canon's chroma noise reduction, and you'll see this from in-camera JPEGs or in DPP conversions.
Edited on Sep 01, 2009 at 06:22 PM · View previous versions
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:19 PM
p.17 #19Official 7D Thread
I personally find DPP's Luminance noise reduction to blur the image more than say Noise Ninja or other 3rd party noise reduction apps. I would love to get some high ISO Raw files from the 7D, processes it in DPP then export it to CS3 for noise reduction. That's usually my workflow for shots taken with my Rebel XT.
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:22 PM
p.17 #20Official 7D Thread
i will use 7d mainly for my tele for birds. serious commercial work requiring big enlargements still 5d2. not to say you can't use 7d for events photography or photojournalism, for that you can even use a 20d.
Sep 01, 2009 at 06:24 PM