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Archive 2009Canon 7D
p.44 #1Canon 7D
Rob Whiting wrote:
If the latest rumor: "In USA: $1699 Body" is true, it's probably the end of the xxD line.
The price is right.
If the latest rumor: "In USA: $1699 Body" is true, it's probably the end of the xxD line.
The price is right.
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:19 PM
p.44 #2Canon 7D
George.ML wrote:
The price is right.
You're killing me inside... there goes my lens budget
Rob Whiting wrote
If the latest rumor: "In USA: $1699 Body" is true, it's probably the end of the xxD line.You're killing me inside... there goes my lens budget
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:22 PM
p.44 #3Canon 7D
George.ML wrote:
The price is right.
Really? At $1700 (body only) it is hardly going to kill the xxD series...but it will be a very appealling option for some xxD buyers that want a 1D series but can't (or won't) pay $3-$4K.
Omar
Rob Whiting wrote
If the latest rumor: "In USA: $1699 Body" is true, it's probably the end of the xxD line.Really? At $1700 (body only) it is hardly going to kill the xxD series...but it will be a very appealling option for some xxD buyers that want a 1D series but can't (or won't) pay $3-$4K.
Omar
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:29 PM
p.44 #4Canon 7D
If that picture is true, that might be a perfect compliment to my 5D II for wedding work. A 70-200mm f/2.8L IS matched with that body would be fantasmic in a church or reception hall.
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:34 PM
p.44 #5Canon 7D
Perhaps this is foot in mouth, but I will say it:
The price point and EF-S type lens says this is a crop camera. But looking at 5D and 5D.2, we can see they tend to pick up core features from the xxD (i.e. 20D, 40D), like AF-layout/# of pts, metering, etc.
So there's a good possibility the successor to the 5D.MK2 (which I don't think this is) will probably also have 19-pt AF, level sensor, etc.
-slrl0ver
The price point and EF-S type lens says this is a crop camera. But looking at 5D and 5D.2, we can see they tend to pick up core features from the xxD (i.e. 20D, 40D), like AF-layout/# of pts, metering, etc.
So there's a good possibility the successor to the 5D.MK2 (which I don't think this is) will probably also have 19-pt AF, level sensor, etc.
-slrl0ver
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:37 PM
p.44 #6Canon 7D
omarlyn wrote:
The price is right.Really? At $1700 (body only) it is hardly going to kill the xxD series...but it will be a very appealling option for some xxD buyers that want a 1D series but can't (or won't) pay $3-$4K.
Omar
Bear in mind you can buy a 50D Brand New for a little over $1,100. So a camera that's 5-600 dollars more isn't going to sell as well.
My two cents, if it lives up to what it is supose to be, I'll buy one.
George.ML wrote
Rob Whiting wrote
If the latest rumor: "In USA: $1699 Body" is true, it's probably the end of the xxD line.Omar
Bear in mind you can buy a 50D Brand New for a little over $1,100. So a camera that's 5-600 dollars more isn't going to sell as well.
My two cents, if it lives up to what it is supose to be, I'll buy one.
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:42 PM
p.44 #7Canon 7D
$1,100 a year after it's release. What was the 50D priced at release? If Canon releases a 7D at 1699 and a 60D at 1399 (or whatever the 50D body was released at). Who's going to buy a 60D?
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:56 PM
p.44 #8Canon 7D
Rob Whiting wrote:
$1,100 a year after it's release. What was the 50D priced at release? If Canon releases a 7D at 1699 and a 60D at 1399 (or whatever the 50D body was released at). Who's going to buy a 60D?
The 50D released at 1,299.00, body only. So the 7D will be $400.00 higher. Still, the 60D might be released for less than $1299.00. As I recall the the release price for the 40D was lower than the 30D.
$1,100 a year after it's release. What was the 50D priced at release? If Canon releases a 7D at 1699 and a 60D at 1399 (or whatever the 50D body was released at). Who's going to buy a 60D?
The 50D released at 1,299.00, body only. So the 7D will be $400.00 higher. Still, the 60D might be released for less than $1299.00. As I recall the the release price for the 40D was lower than the 30D.
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:00 PM
p.44 #9Canon 7D
Rob Whiting wrote:
$1,100 a year after it's release. What was the 50D priced at release? If Canon releases a 7D at 1699 and a 60D at 1399 (or whatever the 50D body was released at). Who's going to buy a 60D?
Agree.
That's why I think we won't see another $1400 xxD camera from Canon.
Most probably another Rebel model (or a new line) - essentially a 50D but in a more compact (plastic) body and $1K intro price.
The D300 killed the $1400 xxD camera.
Edited on Aug 28, 2009 at 09:06 PM · View previous versions
$1,100 a year after it's release. What was the 50D priced at release? If Canon releases a 7D at 1699 and a 60D at 1399 (or whatever the 50D body was released at). Who's going to buy a 60D?
Agree.
That's why I think we won't see another $1400 xxD camera from Canon.
Most probably another Rebel model (or a new line) - essentially a 50D but in a more compact (plastic) body and $1K intro price.
The D300 killed the $1400 xxD camera.
Edited on Aug 28, 2009 at 09:06 PM · View previous versions
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:03 PM
p.44 #10Canon 7D
David Estes wrote:
The 50D released at 1,299.00, body only.
The intro pricese were $1399 for the 50D and $1299 for the 40D.
The 50D released at 1,299.00, body only.
The intro pricese were $1399 for the 50D and $1299 for the 40D.
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:06 PM
p.44 #11Canon 7D
David Estes wrote:
The 50D released at 1,299.00, body only. So the 7D will be $400.00 higher. Still, the 60D might be released for less than $1299.00. As I recall the the release price for the 40D was lower than the 30D.
+1 ...Digital SLR pricing has been slowly 'adjusting' itself to film era pricing (plus inflation) so it is perfectly plausible to have (in the very near future) sub $500 Rebels, sub $1K xxD, and premium 7D @ $1500. That will give a the 1.6 crops a 3-tiered feature & price structure.
Omar
Rob Whiting wrote
$1,100 a year after it's release. What was the 50D priced at release? If Canon releases a 7D at 1699 and a 60D at 1399 (or whatever the 50D body was released at). Who's going to buy a 60D?+1 ...Digital SLR pricing has been slowly 'adjusting' itself to film era pricing (plus inflation) so it is perfectly plausible to have (in the very near future) sub $500 Rebels, sub $1K xxD, and premium 7D @ $1500. That will give a the 1.6 crops a 3-tiered feature & price structure.
Omar
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:10 PM
p.44 #12Canon 7D
omarlyn wrote:
That will give a the 1.6 crops a 3-tiered feature & price structure.
I think so too.
That will give a the 1.6 crops a 3-tiered feature & price structure.
I think so too.
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:14 PM
p.44 #13Canon 7D
George.ML wrote:
The intro pricese were $1399 for the 50D and $1299 for the 40D.
I thought it was $1,299.00 although I never really considered buying one so I can't be sure of myself.
David Estes wrote
The 50D released at 1,299.00, body only.I thought it was $1,299.00 although I never really considered buying one so I can't be sure of myself.
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:16 PM
p.44 #14Canon 7D
Rob Whiting wrote:
$1,100 a year after it's release. What was the 50D priced at release? If Canon releases a 7D at 1699 and a 60D at 1399 (or whatever the 50D body was released at). Who's going to buy a 60D?
Canon's DSLR price will closely match or under cut Nikon's. xxD will target Nikon's D90 and 7D will target D300s. $300 is not a lot of money, but if you don't need the AF and fps, why pay for it and you can get a speedlight or other stuffs to play with. For a lot of people who might be interested in T1i, they look one level up, and might pay a couple hundred bucks more for the xxD but another few hundreds another story and probably way over their initial budget. Also, 7D is probably a bit heavier and bigger as well, so some people might see this as a disadvantage.
$1,100 a year after it's release. What was the 50D priced at release? If Canon releases a 7D at 1699 and a 60D at 1399 (or whatever the 50D body was released at). Who's going to buy a 60D?
Canon's DSLR price will closely match or under cut Nikon's. xxD will target Nikon's D90 and 7D will target D300s. $300 is not a lot of money, but if you don't need the AF and fps, why pay for it and you can get a speedlight or other stuffs to play with. For a lot of people who might be interested in T1i, they look one level up, and might pay a couple hundred bucks more for the xxD but another few hundreds another story and probably way over their initial budget. Also, 7D is probably a bit heavier and bigger as well, so some people might see this as a disadvantage.
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:23 PM
p.44 #15Canon 7D
Hate to say this, but I hope the price on CR is wrong (on the low side). I can't see the 19pt AF really being "pro" at that price, with the 1d3 still selling for $3800. If it debuts at $2300 then it is more likely (IMHO) the 7d is a "baby 1d3"
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:35 PM
p.44 #16Canon 7D
timbop wrote:
Hate to say this, but I hope the price on CR is wrong (on the low side). I can't see the 19pt AF really being "pro" at that price, with the 1d3 still selling for $3800. If it debuts at $2300 then it is more likely (IMHO) the 7d is a "baby 1d3"
+1
This also leaves room for another xxD series body.
Hate to say this, but I hope the price on CR is wrong (on the low side). I can't see the 19pt AF really being "pro" at that price, with the 1d3 still selling for $3800. If it debuts at $2300 then it is more likely (IMHO) the 7d is a "baby 1d3"
+1
This also leaves room for another xxD series body.
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:38 PM
p.44 #17Canon 7D
skibum5 wrote:
So I'll put the ball in your court, because I don't really have to claim anything about the 5D. There's a reason, even now, that IQ alone puts it up there with the top bodies...Yeah, the handling may be somewhere lesser than XXD, but it's most certainly more than XXXD.
To put it bluntly, I think the jump in difference from rebel to 5D, is as great as the difference in jump from XXD to 1 series, IQ not the subject here though, just handling.1D2 has much lower blackout from mirror than even a 50D. So short you often are worried that you didn't even take a picture. And the 50D itself has a noticeably shorter mirror blackout than the 5D2.
Having shot both the 5D2 (which has better performance specs than the 5D) and 50D and 1d2 and rebel for sports I say the 5D2 performance feels a lot more like a rebel in actual sports usage than a 50D and the rebel to 5 jump feels a LOT smaller than the 50D to 1 series jump in terms of speed of feel (ignoring...Show more →
I never said the 5D was a "high performance body"... I think it was targeted at a user who wanted the ability to use a FF sensor, at a price that's within reason, and superb IQ in a 35mm size camera.
I'm not ridiculously defensive about my camera either. I'm straight forward with it, IQ-wise, it's a hard camera to beat, and even the cameras that do beat on it, don't beat on it by too much.
IQ is the winner for me. I use my 5D for sports, not because I want to, but because I have to. I've got a 40D and a 5D. I like a two body attack, and for me, at least until my sports photos really take off, it's going to be these two. I learn to time the camera, and will admit, that when I switch cameras, I have to be careful I'm not thinking about the one when using the other, as it will throw me off.
Maybe my only issue with what you're saying is, and maybe I'm only taking parts of what you're saying and combining it into what I'm reading, but to me, no where does the 5D equal a rebel. I'm a 5D shooter, and yeah I'd love to be shooting 1dmk3's or 1dmk3 and a 5d2, but if the 5D I was using was equatable to a rebel, I'd have chucked it and bought 3-4 used rebels for the price.
RobertLynn wrote
So how is it a rebel? The body is magnesium alloy, and a little more full feeling than the XXd bodies. Rebels are plastic. It has better AF than a rebel. Long mirror blackout I believe is as a result of design of the FF camera. I have no experience with the 1ds1 and 1ds2, but I'm thinking that they are a bit slower than a newer camera now also.So I'll put the ball in your court, because I don't really have to claim anything about the 5D. There's a reason, even now, that IQ alone puts it up there with the top bodies...Yeah, the handling may be somewhere lesser than XXD, but it's most certainly more than XXXD.
To put it bluntly, I think the jump in difference from rebel to 5D, is as great as the difference in jump from XXD to 1 series, IQ not the subject here though, just handling.
Having shot both the 5D2 (which has better performance specs than the 5D) and 50D and 1d2 and rebel for sports I say the 5D2 performance feels a lot more like a rebel in actual sports usage than a 50D and the rebel to 5 jump feels a LOT smaller than the 50D to 1 series jump in terms of speed of feel (ignoring...Show more →
I never said the 5D was a "high performance body"... I think it was targeted at a user who wanted the ability to use a FF sensor, at a price that's within reason, and superb IQ in a 35mm size camera.
I'm not ridiculously defensive about my camera either. I'm straight forward with it, IQ-wise, it's a hard camera to beat, and even the cameras that do beat on it, don't beat on it by too much.
IQ is the winner for me. I use my 5D for sports, not because I want to, but because I have to. I've got a 40D and a 5D. I like a two body attack, and for me, at least until my sports photos really take off, it's going to be these two. I learn to time the camera, and will admit, that when I switch cameras, I have to be careful I'm not thinking about the one when using the other, as it will throw me off.
Maybe my only issue with what you're saying is, and maybe I'm only taking parts of what you're saying and combining it into what I'm reading, but to me, no where does the 5D equal a rebel. I'm a 5D shooter, and yeah I'd love to be shooting 1dmk3's or 1dmk3 and a 5d2, but if the 5D I was using was equatable to a rebel, I'd have chucked it and bought 3-4 used rebels for the price.
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:39 PM
p.44 #18Canon 7D
timbop wrote:
Hate to say this, but I hope the price on CR is wrong (on the low side). I can't see the 19pt AF really being "pro" at that price, with the 1d3 still selling for $3800. If it debuts at $2300 then it is more likely (IMHO) the 7d is a "baby 1d3"
I agree, if Canon could produce a 1.6x 18mpix with pro af performance and ISO performance better than a 50D, I'd be on it like stink on sh!t. Even at $2300. Only time will tell
Hate to say this, but I hope the price on CR is wrong (on the low side). I can't see the 19pt AF really being "pro" at that price, with the 1d3 still selling for $3800. If it debuts at $2300 then it is more likely (IMHO) the 7d is a "baby 1d3"
I agree, if Canon could produce a 1.6x 18mpix with pro af performance and ISO performance better than a 50D, I'd be on it like stink on sh!t. Even at $2300. Only time will tell
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:44 PM
p.44 #19Canon 7D
timbop wrote:
Hate to say this, but I hope the price on CR is wrong (on the low side). I can't see the 19pt AF really being "pro" at that price, with the 1d3 still selling for $3800. If it debuts at $2300 then it is more likely (IMHO) the 7d is a "baby 1d3"
Nikon managed to squeeze pro-ish AF into the D300s at $1800, so $1700 doesn't sound unreasonable for Canon.
Hate to say this, but I hope the price on CR is wrong (on the low side). I can't see the 19pt AF really being "pro" at that price, with the 1d3 still selling for $3800. If it debuts at $2300 then it is more likely (IMHO) the 7d is a "baby 1d3"
Nikon managed to squeeze pro-ish AF into the D300s at $1800, so $1700 doesn't sound unreasonable for Canon.
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:57 PM
p.44 #20Canon 7D
Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Nikon managed to squeeze pro-ish AF into the D300s at $1800, so $1700 doesn't sound unreasonable for Canon.
The key to that is the clause "for canon"; somehow we all know canon will not put the exact same AF as the 1d3 for only $1700. They'll compromise somewhere, and I am afraid it will probably be in the area of assist points or something similar. It would be a shame to not include adequate AF assist points for tracking eratic targets just to save $500.
timbop wrote
Hate to say this, but I hope the price on CR is wrong (on the low side). I can't see the 19pt AF really being "pro" at that price, with the 1d3 still selling for $3800. If it debuts at $2300 then it is more likely (IMHO) the 7d is a "baby 1d3"The key to that is the clause "for canon"; somehow we all know canon will not put the exact same AF as the 1d3 for only $1700. They'll compromise somewhere, and I am afraid it will probably be in the area of assist points or something similar. It would be a shame to not include adequate AF assist points for tracking eratic targets just to save $500.
Aug 28, 2009 at 10:12 PM