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Archive 2009Canon 7D
p.36 #1Canon 7D
i wont get into PRO 1D pricing as their build quality is well above and beyond. a camera NOT breaking down on assignment pays for itself. Both of those can handle themselves anywhere on earth.
but of course the 1Ds is grossly overpriced as the market will bear that.
Which is NOT a problem if only canon would release 3D/3Ds and better semi-pro models (which it ineptly refuses to do)
Dawei Ye wrote:
i think most people, if they honestly evaluate the situation would agree with nads .. that Canon did the smallest upgrade they believed they could get away with
that is not a conspiracy or evil, sadly just a business tactic for an established leader looking to protect profit & future revenue.
which is why we need Nikon & Sony to exert PRESSURE on canon.
Do the math quickly.
50D sells for $1150 from authorized dealers
5D2 sells for $2700 from authorized dealers
* same warranty & support level (ie. liability to canon & dealers)
* both CPS (USA) eligible for repairs
Is anyone that DENSE to think the 5D has $1650 MORE in PARTS than the 50D.
ROTFLMAO.How about the 1D3 vs the 1Ds3?
A 1D3 AND a 5D2 (with FF sensor) is still cheaper than one 1Ds3. The sensor is pretty much the same, yet the 1Ds3 costs more, and gives up the APS-H sensor in the process
but of course the 1Ds is grossly overpriced as the market will bear that.
Which is NOT a problem if only canon would release 3D/3Ds and better semi-pro models (which it ineptly refuses to do)
Dawei Ye wrote:
Glen_C wrote
5D quickly dropped in price and had a flex-price really. Total gouging and obviously no competition except 1Ds at $8k.i think most people, if they honestly evaluate the situation would agree with nads .. that Canon did the smallest upgrade they believed they could get away with
that is not a conspiracy or evil, sadly just a business tactic for an established leader looking to protect profit & future revenue.
which is why we need Nikon & Sony to exert PRESSURE on canon.
Do the math quickly.
50D sells for $1150 from authorized dealers
5D2 sells for $2700 from authorized dealers
* same warranty & support level (ie. liability to canon & dealers)
* both CPS (USA) eligible for repairs
Is anyone that DENSE to think the 5D has $1650 MORE in PARTS than the 50D.
ROTFLMAO.
A 1D3 AND a 5D2 (with FF sensor) is still cheaper than one 1Ds3. The sensor is pretty much the same, yet the 1Ds3 costs more, and gives up the APS-H sensor in the process
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:24 AM
p.36 #2Canon 7D
brainiac wrote:
It's called free-market capitalism. Let us know when you have a better idea of how to organise the world.
I'm not the one dreaming that the improvement:cash ratio is squarely benefiting the consumer here.
nads wrote
Canon is giving you as little as they believe they can for the price they are charging.I'm not the one dreaming that the improvement:cash ratio is squarely benefiting the consumer here.
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:26 AM
p.36 #3Canon 7D
xabi wrote:
By fast I don't mean the fastest possible prime. I mean, with canon, you can buy fast prime with USM focusing for reasonable price (like the 28 f1.8, 85 f1.8 and 100 f2). Nikon makes fast prime too, but they tends to be slightly slower (most of them are f2.8) or more expensive (Nikon 105mm f2 costs over $1000).
I'm no expert in Nikon lenses so I might be wrong.
I heartily agree. I like that Nikon can have some low initial investment prices for the DSLR bodies, but the lenses are much more expensive across the board save for the cheapie lenses.
xabi wrote:
Anyway, both the Nikon and Canon systems are good. I hope with time the Sony system will catch up. I'm definitely tempted to switch to Sony, if they bring out a cheap 35mm f2.
You can always pick up Minolta Maxxum lenses
By fast I don't mean the fastest possible prime. I mean, with canon, you can buy fast prime with USM focusing for reasonable price (like the 28 f1.8, 85 f1.8 and 100 f2). Nikon makes fast prime too, but they tends to be slightly slower (most of them are f2.8) or more expensive (Nikon 105mm f2 costs over $1000).
I'm no expert in Nikon lenses so I might be wrong.
I heartily agree. I like that Nikon can have some low initial investment prices for the DSLR bodies, but the lenses are much more expensive across the board save for the cheapie lenses.
xabi wrote:
Anyway, both the Nikon and Canon systems are good. I hope with time the Sony system will catch up. I'm definitely tempted to switch to Sony, if they bring out a cheap 35mm f2.
You can always pick up Minolta Maxxum lenses
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:26 AM
p.36 #4Canon 7D
you seem to HAPPILY AGREE with almost anything canon does so i'll happily AGREE TO DISAGREE with you and not waste bandwidth & keystrokes Dude.
brainiac wrote:
50D sells for $1150 from authorized dealers
5D2 sells for $2700 from authorized dealers
Is anyone that DENSE to think the 5D has $1650 MORE in PARTS than the 50D.
ROTFLMAO.Er, I wonder if Canon had to, like, invest stuff, like, you know, money, in order to work out how to produce those fancy sensor thingies. Maybe that, like, affects the, like, price. Dude.
Seriously, if you think the parts are what you are paying for, you need to stop doing the math so quickly, and start thinking about how Canon et alia carry out the manufacturing of industry-leading technology designs using in-house research. It costs a lot of money to develop custom semiconductor devices. Canon is not a charity. They have invested heavily and they want to see profit. I...Show more →
brainiac wrote:
Glen_C wrote
Do the math quickly.50D sells for $1150 from authorized dealers
5D2 sells for $2700 from authorized dealers
Is anyone that DENSE to think the 5D has $1650 MORE in PARTS than the 50D.
ROTFLMAO.
Seriously, if you think the parts are what you are paying for, you need to stop doing the math so quickly, and start thinking about how Canon et alia carry out the manufacturing of industry-leading technology designs using in-house research. It costs a lot of money to develop custom semiconductor devices. Canon is not a charity. They have invested heavily and they want to see profit. I...Show more →
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:27 AM
p.36 #5Canon 7D
um, back to the topic at hand. Assuming that the BB (eg LIST) price is right at $2700, what's the likely street? $2000?
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:31 AM
p.36 #6Canon 7D
brainiac wrote:
Is anyone that dense to think that the cost of any of these cameras is a linear function of the cost of production of the parts? ROTFLMAO
An hour ago you were saying that it is questionable whether canon charges a large amount of cash for a lesser amount of improvement. Now you are writing dissertations proclaiming of nonlinear pricing functions that are designed to do exactly what you were questioning even happens.
Make up your mind or start talking out of just one side of your mouth. Either way give us a break.
Is anyone that dense to think that the cost of any of these cameras is a linear function of the cost of production of the parts? ROTFLMAO
An hour ago you were saying that it is questionable whether canon charges a large amount of cash for a lesser amount of improvement. Now you are writing dissertations proclaiming of nonlinear pricing functions that are designed to do exactly what you were questioning even happens.
Make up your mind or start talking out of just one side of your mouth. Either way give us a break.
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:36 AM
p.36 #7Canon 7D
I'll try again - anyone know what the text around "100%" means - is that 100% viewfinder?
Aug 28, 2009 at 08:46 AM
p.36 #8Canon 7D
timbop wrote:
I'll try again - anyone know what the text around "100%" means - is that 100% viewfinder?
Most likely.
18mp is equivalent to the pixel density of a 46mp full frame. I am afraid the 6400 iso setting will look awful!
I'll try again - anyone know what the text around "100%" means - is that 100% viewfinder?
Most likely.
18mp is equivalent to the pixel density of a 46mp full frame. I am afraid the 6400 iso setting will look awful!
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:03 AM
p.36 #9Canon 7D
Fred Relaix wrote:
Most likely.
18mp is equivalent to the pixel density of a 46mp full frame. I am afraid the 6400 iso setting will look awful!
I was going to ask what the FF pixel density would be.
18MP seems a lot for an APS-C.
timbop wrote
I'll try again - anyone know what the text around "100%" means - is that 100% viewfinder?18mp is equivalent to the pixel density of a 46mp full frame. I am afraid the 6400 iso setting will look awful!
I was going to ask what the FF pixel density would be.
18MP seems a lot for an APS-C.
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:08 AM
p.36 #10Canon 7D
new picture of a 7D poster on the canon rumors website.
http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/mobile01-a5dec84018ed024d52c8d6a1a3361c93.jpg
What is your takes on it?
http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/mobile01-a5dec84018ed024d52c8d6a1a3361c93.jpg
What is your takes on it?
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:17 AM
p.36 #11Canon 7D
8 Fps
19 autofocus points
6400 ISO. Maybe even good quality
video
100% view finder
19 autofocus points
6400 ISO. Maybe even good quality
video
100% view finder
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:21 AM
p.36 #12Canon 7D
canon pants wrote:
8 Fps
19 autofocus points
6400 ISO. Maybe even good quality
video
100% view finder
.
8 Fps
19 autofocus points
6400 ISO. Maybe even good quality
video
100% view finder
.Aug 28, 2009 at 09:22 AM
p.36 #13Canon 7D
From canonrumors:
The top says "Double Speed.100%ViewCoverage"
The side says:
18MP
Dual Digic 4
8 FPS?
All Cross-type 19 point AF
ISO 6400
63 metering zones
100%coverage of Optical Viewfinder
Artificial Intelligence something
3" LCD something
EOS something FullHD (I guess the blurred word is movie)
LIVE VIEW
The top says "Double Speed.100%ViewCoverage"
The side says:
18MP
Dual Digic 4
8 FPS?
All Cross-type 19 point AF
ISO 6400
63 metering zones
100%coverage of Optical Viewfinder
Artificial Intelligence something
3" LCD something
EOS something FullHD (I guess the blurred word is movie)
LIVE VIEW
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:24 AM
p.36 #14Canon 7D
timbop wrote:
I'll try again - anyone know what the text around "100%" means - is that 100% viewfinder?
Yes, "100% optical viewfinder" in simplify chinese
I'll try again - anyone know what the text around "100%" means - is that 100% viewfinder?
Yes, "100% optical viewfinder" in simplify chinese
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:25 AM
p.36 #16Canon 7D
1800 x 10K = 18MP, the word in chinese means ten thousands
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:29 AM
p.36 #17Canon 7D
Apparently it says 1800x10.000, so 18mp.
Also the 19 AF points are apparently all cross type.
Also the 19 AF points are apparently all cross type.
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:30 AM
p.36 #18Canon 7D
canon pants wrote:
new picture of a 7D poster on the canon rumors website.
http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/mobile01-a5dec84018ed024d52c8d6a1a3361c93.jpg
What is your takes on it?
Looks real enough or they've gone to a lot of trouble to fake this.
18MP in 1.6x is sort of suck worthy IMO. You'd think they keep developing the 15MP sensor for at least another generation. I guess that's why the max ISO is now 6400 rather than 12800 and tells you this won't be a sensor that defies physics and offers soem breakthrough on noise.
It'd be a lot better if this were a 1.3x cropper, but that's highly unlikely.
Rest of the specs look good though and hopefully it's not noisier than the 50D up to ISO 1600 a least.
new picture of a 7D poster on the canon rumors website.
http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/mobile01-a5dec84018ed024d52c8d6a1a3361c93.jpg
What is your takes on it?
Looks real enough or they've gone to a lot of trouble to fake this.
18MP in 1.6x is sort of suck worthy IMO. You'd think they keep developing the 15MP sensor for at least another generation. I guess that's why the max ISO is now 6400 rather than 12800 and tells you this won't be a sensor that defies physics and offers soem breakthrough on noise.
It'd be a lot better if this were a 1.3x cropper, but that's highly unlikely.
Rest of the specs look good though and hopefully it's not noisier than the 50D up to ISO 1600 a least.
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:30 AM
p.36 #19Canon 7D
Fred Relaix wrote:
Apparently it says 1800x10.000, so 18mp.
Also the 19 AF points are apparently all cross type.
No it 64MP and ISO 1800
Apparently it says 1800x10.000, so 18mp.
Also the 19 AF points are apparently all cross type.
No it 64MP and ISO 1800
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:31 AM
p.36 #20Canon 7D
pgriedl wrote:
From canonrumors:
The top says "Double Speed.100%ViewCoverage"
The side says:
18MP
Dual Digic 4
8 FPS?
All Cross-type 19 point AF
ISO 6400
63 metering zones
100%coverage of Optical Viewfinder
Artificial Intelligence something
3" LCD something
EOS something FullHD (I guess the blurred word is movie)
LIVE VIEW
I see the same thing in the picture
From canonrumors:
The top says "Double Speed.100%ViewCoverage"
The side says:
18MP
Dual Digic 4
8 FPS?
All Cross-type 19 point AF
ISO 6400
63 metering zones
100%coverage of Optical Viewfinder
Artificial Intelligence something
3" LCD something
EOS something FullHD (I guess the blurred word is movie)
LIVE VIEW
I see the same thing in the picture
Aug 28, 2009 at 09:31 AM