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Archive 2009Canon 7D
p.33 #1Canon 7D
"Canon is the only one that makes fast prime."
did nikon go under while i was away?
did nikon go under while i was away?
Aug 27, 2009 at 10:02 AM
p.33 #2Canon 7D
abam wrote:
"Canon is the only one that makes fast prime."
did nikon go under while i was away?
No.......... but Nikon don't have f1.2 on their current line-up...........
"Canon is the only one that makes fast prime."
did nikon go under while i was away?
No.......... but Nikon don't have f1.2 on their current line-up...........
Aug 27, 2009 at 10:07 AM
p.33 #3Canon 7D
but they do have 1.4, 1.8 and 2.0 primes. again, me miss something?
=)
(aside: wonderful about the a850. it's like when the 300D hit -- this will be game changing, as soon as sony satisfies the prime marms with 1.2 lenses.)
=)
(aside: wonderful about the a850. it's like when the 300D hit -- this will be game changing, as soon as sony satisfies the prime marms with 1.2 lenses.)
Aug 27, 2009 at 10:16 AM
p.33 #4Canon 7D
Yes, the Sony lens selection is certainly narrower. I suppose it depends on what you use / need. For me 50/1.4, 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8 is pretty much what I require, and Sony have fantastic examples of all three: all of them with IS, of course. But Canon has great lenses in these ranges, albeit without IS on the 24-70, as well as many other lenses I may want if my needs change.
The big news is the price. It's a great deal at $2k.
One seemingly small thing: the A900 did not have permanent display of ISO in the viewfinder, and I can't see that the 850 does either. This is the one thing that really bugs me on my 5D, which of course is 'fixed' on the Mk2.
The big news is the price. It's a great deal at $2k.
One seemingly small thing: the A900 did not have permanent display of ISO in the viewfinder, and I can't see that the 850 does either. This is the one thing that really bugs me on my 5D, which of course is 'fixed' on the Mk2.
Aug 27, 2009 at 10:20 AM
p.33 #5Canon 7D
abam wrote:
wonderful about the a850. it's like when the 300D hit -- this will be game changing, as soon as sony satisfies the prime marms with 1.2 lenses.
Something like the Zeiss 60 Jahre Edition with AF would be great - if unaffordable by mere mortals
Kudos to Sony btw for pulling off sub-2000$ FF.
wonderful about the a850. it's like when the 300D hit -- this will be game changing, as soon as sony satisfies the prime marms with 1.2 lenses.
Something like the Zeiss 60 Jahre Edition with AF would be great - if unaffordable by mere mortals
Kudos to Sony btw for pulling off sub-2000$ FF.
Aug 27, 2009 at 10:21 AM
p.33 #6Canon 7D
skibum5 wrote:
Canon's thoughts:
we could make a 3D, it would be like 21MP, 6.3fps, have the new 7D AF and price it $3100-$3400
or we could make a 5 and 7 series:
5D2 21MP, FF, slow 4fps = $2700
7D 10MP, APS-C, fast 12fps = $2200
personally i'd give up the 12fps and way prefer option 1 since I'd only need to drag one camera around and I could get all the advantages other than the 12fps all at once, in the two cam setup sometimes you might want more than 4fps AND FF FOV + SNR and #1 also costs a lot less which brings...Show more →
Since when do $2700 and $2200 equal $5900? Going by the math I was taught, $2700+$2200=$4900.
Canon's thoughts:
we could make a 3D, it would be like 21MP, 6.3fps, have the new 7D AF and price it $3100-$3400
or we could make a 5 and 7 series:
5D2 21MP, FF, slow 4fps = $2700
7D 10MP, APS-C, fast 12fps = $2200
personally i'd give up the 12fps and way prefer option 1 since I'd only need to drag one camera around and I could get all the advantages other than the 12fps all at once, in the two cam setup sometimes you might want more than 4fps AND FF FOV + SNR and #1 also costs a lot less which brings...Show more →
Since when do $2700 and $2200 equal $5900? Going by the math I was taught, $2700+$2200=$4900.
Aug 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM
p.33 #7Canon 7D
Love what Sony is bringing to the table here. Let's hope we can all get FF at a lower price in the next few months.
Aug 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM
p.33 #8Canon 7D
Pelao wrote:
Yes, the Sony lens selection is certainly narrower. I suppose it depends on what you use / need. For me 50/1.4, 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8 is pretty much what I require, and Sony have fantastic examples of all three: all of them with IS, of course. But Canon has great lenses in these ranges, albeit without IS on the 24-70, as well as many other lenses I may want if my needs change.
The big news is the price. It's a great deal at $2k.
One seemingly small thing: the A900 did not have permanent display of ISO in the viewfinder, and I...Show more →
This will definitely put some pressure on Canon and Nikon. There are many out there (including MR apparently),who are happy enough with Sony's lens selection.
I find it interesting that so many here seem to persistently claim that a FF camera like this couldn't be offered at this price because of the sensor cost, but here it is.
Yes, the Sony lens selection is certainly narrower. I suppose it depends on what you use / need. For me 50/1.4, 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8 is pretty much what I require, and Sony have fantastic examples of all three: all of them with IS, of course. But Canon has great lenses in these ranges, albeit without IS on the 24-70, as well as many other lenses I may want if my needs change.
The big news is the price. It's a great deal at $2k.
One seemingly small thing: the A900 did not have permanent display of ISO in the viewfinder, and I...Show more →
This will definitely put some pressure on Canon and Nikon. There are many out there (including MR apparently),who are happy enough with Sony's lens selection.
I find it interesting that so many here seem to persistently claim that a FF camera like this couldn't be offered at this price because of the sensor cost, but here it is.
Aug 27, 2009 at 10:56 AM
p.33 #9Canon 7D
Yeah. Sony is being very aggressive in pricing their bodies - especially more evident in the a850. I think they are most likely on par with Canon/Nikon/Olympus in the amateur/pro-sumer level just because they are Sony but lacks credibility on the "PRO" market........... so why not lure some PROs who can afford to dabble on a different system by introducing a cheap full frame camera............. this might set a better stage when they finally introduce something to rival the 1Dxx and Dx series of C/N.
Aug 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM
p.33 #10Canon 7D
This will definitely put some pressure on Canon and Nikon. There are many out there (including MR apparently),who are happy enough with Sony's lens selection.
I find it interesting that so many here seem to persistently claim that a FF camera like this couldn't be offered at this price because of the sensor cost, but here it is.
Well, the be fair, MR qualified this by saying that the selection was OK for HIS purposes.
I find it interesting that so many here seem to persistently claim that a FF camera like this couldn't be offered at this price because of the sensor cost, but here it is.
Well, the be fair, MR qualified this by saying that the selection was OK for HIS purposes.
Aug 27, 2009 at 11:08 AM
p.33 #11Canon 7D
no the flash master on D300s was NOT a misfire... it was a MISFIRE for canon to EXCLUDE it from the 5DmkII which was released ONE YEAR after D300.
Canon is so darn reactionary & stagnant it's PATHETIC.
thw2 wrote:
a total misfire.
bonus fail for flash master for "sports" & "birders". ROTFLMAO. What event photogs need 12fps anyways? 5DmkII should have had that. ROTF.
a cheaper, 60d (50d with video & tweaks) would be more welcome in the market & by canon shooters.So, flash master on the D300s was a misfire? Bird photographers welcome the 1.6x crop and high fps.
The 50D had poor sales.
If the 7D is priced a lot more than the D300s, then I agree it's a total misfire. There's a big market of Canon shooters out there waiting for a camera like the D300s. I'm sure they are not willing to pay that kind of dough for the 7D.
Canon is so darn reactionary & stagnant it's PATHETIC.
thw2 wrote:
Glen_C wrote
1.6x crop would make this body two years late and many dollars too much (vs D300).a total misfire.
bonus fail for flash master for "sports" & "birders". ROTFLMAO. What event photogs need 12fps anyways? 5DmkII should have had that. ROTF.
a cheaper, 60d (50d with video & tweaks) would be more welcome in the market & by canon shooters.
The 50D had poor sales.
If the 7D is priced a lot more than the D300s, then I agree it's a total misfire. There's a big market of Canon shooters out there waiting for a camera like the D300s. I'm sure they are not willing to pay that kind of dough for the 7D.
Aug 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM
p.33 #12Canon 7D
Glen_C wrote:
no the flash master on D300s was NOT a misfire... it was a MISFIRE for canon to EXCLUDE it from the 5DmkII which was released ONE YEAR after D300.
Canon is so darn reactionary & stagnant it's PATHETIC.
Was it really a "misfire" to omit flash master capabilities in the 5DmkII (a body without on board flash capabilities and clearly geared towards landscape shooters) or is it just ensuring that Canon gets additional revenue on ST-E2 sales from those people that actually use it. Can you give us any numbers on how excluding master flash capabilities from the Canon 5DmkII hurt Canon's revenue? So you call releasing a prosumer camera with an almost identical FF sensor to the 1Ds flaggship at 1/3rd the price - best in class at time of release by a wide margin - pathetic and stagnant?
I'm far from being a Canon fanboy but pardon me if I can't seem to follow your perception or opinion.
no the flash master on D300s was NOT a misfire... it was a MISFIRE for canon to EXCLUDE it from the 5DmkII which was released ONE YEAR after D300.
Canon is so darn reactionary & stagnant it's PATHETIC.
Was it really a "misfire" to omit flash master capabilities in the 5DmkII (a body without on board flash capabilities and clearly geared towards landscape shooters) or is it just ensuring that Canon gets additional revenue on ST-E2 sales from those people that actually use it. Can you give us any numbers on how excluding master flash capabilities from the Canon 5DmkII hurt Canon's revenue? So you call releasing a prosumer camera with an almost identical FF sensor to the 1Ds flaggship at 1/3rd the price - best in class at time of release by a wide margin - pathetic and stagnant?
I'm far from being a Canon fanboy but pardon me if I can't seem to follow your perception or opinion.
Aug 27, 2009 at 11:53 AM
p.33 #13Canon 7D
My MT-24EX can trigger a 580EXII slave wirelessly. I think people would love to have that kind of capability in the 580EXII as the master.
Aug 27, 2009 at 12:02 PM
p.33 #14Canon 7D
n0b0 wrote:
My MT-24EX can trigger a 580EXII slave wirelessly. I think people would love to have that kind of capability in the 580EXII as the master.
Do you mean the camera's built-in as master? Yes, it would have been nice but since I have the st-e2 now, it's no biggie for me personally
My MT-24EX can trigger a 580EXII slave wirelessly. I think people would love to have that kind of capability in the 580EXII as the master.
Do you mean the camera's built-in as master? Yes, it would have been nice but since I have the st-e2 now, it's no biggie for me personally
Aug 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM
p.33 #15Canon 7D
timbop wrote:
Do you mean the camera's built-in as master? Yes, it would have been nice but since I have the st-e2 now, it's no biggie for me personally
I should probably mention that the MT-24EX also cost around the same as a 580EXII + ST-E2.
Do you mean the camera's built-in as master? Yes, it would have been nice but since I have the st-e2 now, it's no biggie for me personally
I should probably mention that the MT-24EX also cost around the same as a 580EXII + ST-E2.
Aug 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM
p.33 #16Canon 7D
Glen_C wrote:
Canon is so darn reactionary & stagnant it's PATHETIC.
You can always buy the A850.
That's what you were hoping for, right - a sub-$2K FF camera with 3fps.
Or Canon is pathethic for not selling a 1Ds-compact for $2K ?
Canon is so darn reactionary & stagnant it's PATHETIC.
You can always buy the A850.
That's what you were hoping for, right - a sub-$2K FF camera with 3fps.
Or Canon is pathethic for not selling a 1Ds-compact for $2K ?
Aug 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM
p.33 #17Canon 7D
Abam,
As an ex Nikon user I can confirm they have a problem with fast primes,
no AF f1.4 24mm, 28mm, 35mm OR f1.2 50mm lenses in production. Its a shame.
Nikon just don't seem committed to fast lenses any more, which is why I am now with Canon.
As an ex Nikon user I can confirm they have a problem with fast primes,
no AF f1.4 24mm, 28mm, 35mm OR f1.2 50mm lenses in production. Its a shame.
Nikon just don't seem committed to fast lenses any more, which is why I am now with Canon.
Aug 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM
p.33 #18Canon 7D
michael49 wrote:
I find it interesting that so many here seem to persistently claim that a FF camera like this couldn't be offered at this price because of the sensor cost, but here it is.
Agree.
But look at the specs. I'm very curious - is this really what the 'affordable FF' crowd is hoping/wishing for?
I mean a small (plastic?) FF body with 3 fps ?
I find it interesting that so many here seem to persistently claim that a FF camera like this couldn't be offered at this price because of the sensor cost, but here it is.
Agree.
But look at the specs. I'm very curious - is this really what the 'affordable FF' crowd is hoping/wishing for?
I mean a small (plastic?) FF body with 3 fps ?
Aug 27, 2009 at 12:33 PM
p.33 #19Canon 7D
George.ML wrote:
Agree.
But look at the specs. I'm very curious - is this really what the 'affordable FF' crowd is hoping/wishing for?
I mean a small (plastic?) FF body with 3 fps ?
There are going to be some tough tradeoffs if people are expecting a FF body from Canon at or under 2K. Just look at the 5DII--great sensor, great size, not so great AF. Again offering a lot in one department and completely limiting another. FWIW I can't see Canon releasing another line of FF bodies, specifically a cheaper line and if they do you can bet it will be underwhelming.
michael49 wrote
I find it interesting that so many here seem to persistently claim that a FF camera like this couldn't be offered at this price because of the sensor cost, but here it is.But look at the specs. I'm very curious - is this really what the 'affordable FF' crowd is hoping/wishing for?
I mean a small (plastic?) FF body with 3 fps ?
There are going to be some tough tradeoffs if people are expecting a FF body from Canon at or under 2K. Just look at the 5DII--great sensor, great size, not so great AF. Again offering a lot in one department and completely limiting another. FWIW I can't see Canon releasing another line of FF bodies, specifically a cheaper line and if they do you can bet it will be underwhelming.
Aug 27, 2009 at 01:12 PM
p.33 #20Canon 7D
I feel the 5D will remain Canon's entry level full frame offer. They will just keep lowering the price to keep it competitive, I am sure there is currently a huge margin for Canon in the 5dmk2.
As always Canon do 'just enough' with their cameras.
No doubt if the 1dMk4 remains at APS-H format it will be more to do with protecting the 1Ds full frame cash cow than satisfying customer demand.
Canon could knock out a $2000 Full frame camera with excellent AF, 5fps, video, etc right now if it needed too. But it doesn't so it won't.
Well done Sony for keeping the market competitive.
Sean
As always Canon do 'just enough' with their cameras.
No doubt if the 1dMk4 remains at APS-H format it will be more to do with protecting the 1Ds full frame cash cow than satisfying customer demand.
Canon could knock out a $2000 Full frame camera with excellent AF, 5fps, video, etc right now if it needed too. But it doesn't so it won't.
Well done Sony for keeping the market competitive.
Sean
Aug 27, 2009 at 01:21 PM