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Archive 2009Canon 7D
p.32 #1Canon 7D
32067dlm wrote:
Hey, when did that become available? I'm still at 512k, but I'm dreaming of the day when I can upgrade to 1MB! Just imagine a computer that could display 256 colors at the same time! 
yeah but that would be a toy no serious computer will ever have stereo audio, a multi-tasking OS or more than 16 colors, that is all amateur hour commodore/atari toy stuff
Zara wrote
I guess 640KB of RAM is all our computers will ever need. yeah but that would be a toy no serious computer will ever have stereo audio, a multi-tasking OS or more than 16 colors, that is all amateur hour commodore/atari toy stuff
Aug 26, 2009 at 11:55 PM
p.32 #2Canon 7D
EOS20 wrote:
Isn't the 5 series already just a XXD series camera with a full framed sensor and no pop up flash?
no, the xxD have much faster mirror/shutter/many more fps
the 5 series are rebels with FF sensors....
Isn't the 5 series already just a XXD series camera with a full framed sensor and no pop up flash?
no, the xxD have much faster mirror/shutter/many more fps
the 5 series are rebels with FF sensors....
Aug 26, 2009 at 11:58 PM
p.32 #3Canon 7D
EOS20 wrote:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2552/3860302676_7752dcdfde_o.jpg
haha awesome
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2552/3860302676_7752dcdfde_o.jpg
haha awesome
Aug 26, 2009 at 11:59 PM
p.32 #4Canon 7D
RobertLynn wrote:
I hardly think that the 50D is aimed at soccer moms.
It depends how well you can aim
I hardly think that the 50D is aimed at soccer moms.
It depends how well you can aim
Aug 27, 2009 at 12:00 AM
p.32 #5Canon 7D
Canon's thoughts:
we could make a 3D, it would be like 21MP, 6.3fps, have the new 7D AF and price it $3100-$3400
or we could make a 5 and 7 series:
5D2 21MP, FF, slow 4fps = $2700
7D 10MP, APS-C, fast 12fps = $2200
personally i'd give up the 12fps and way prefer option 1 since I'd only need to drag one camera around and I could get all the advantages other than the 12fps all at once, in the two cam setup sometimes you might want more than 4fps AND FF FOV + SNR and #1 also costs a lot less which brings us to....
why should be release a 3D for $3100-$3400 when we can force them into $2700+$2200=$5900 and protect 1 series better at the same time
however, thing is i think more people would go $3100-$3400 then $5900 (of course some would rather go either just $2700 or $2200 than $3400 granted and maybe the total numbers would work out better for them, maybe it makes sense but I wonder what happens if a D700x comes soon and what if it is $3000....)
and who knows maybe BB pricing was way off and the new 7D is not $2200-$2700 but $1600. Still a lot more costly 5D2+7D than one 3D though, but maybe vaguely bearable for some.
Edited on Aug 27, 2009 at 01:35 AM · View previous versions
we could make a 3D, it would be like 21MP, 6.3fps, have the new 7D AF and price it $3100-$3400
or we could make a 5 and 7 series:
5D2 21MP, FF, slow 4fps = $2700
7D 10MP, APS-C, fast 12fps = $2200
personally i'd give up the 12fps and way prefer option 1 since I'd only need to drag one camera around and I could get all the advantages other than the 12fps all at once, in the two cam setup sometimes you might want more than 4fps AND FF FOV + SNR and #1 also costs a lot less which brings us to....
why should be release a 3D for $3100-$3400 when we can force them into $2700+$2200=$5900
and protect 1 series better at the same timehowever, thing is i think more people would go $3100-$3400 then $5900 (of course some would rather go either just $2700 or $2200 than $3400 granted and maybe the total numbers would work out better for them, maybe it makes sense but I wonder what happens if a D700x comes soon and what if it is $3000....)
and who knows maybe BB pricing was way off and the new 7D is not $2200-$2700 but $1600. Still a lot more costly 5D2+7D than one 3D though, but maybe vaguely bearable for some.
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Aug 27, 2009 at 12:39 AM
p.32 #6Canon 7D
I do hope that the BB price is off but I wouldn't be surprised if the initial price is $2200.
Over time the price will have drop to $1700-1800, though.
But you are right - Canon is most probably thinking that a lot of 5DII buyers will be buying a 7D as well.
So they won’t be in a hurry to put the 7D tech into a FF camera.
Over time the price will have drop to $1700-1800, though.
But you are right - Canon is most probably thinking that a lot of 5DII buyers will be buying a 7D as well.
So they won’t be in a hurry to put the 7D tech into a FF camera.
Aug 27, 2009 at 01:28 AM
p.32 #7Canon 7D
although they appear as if they may reduce the MP on the 7D from teh 50D in favor of speed so maybe that gives hope for the 3D in 2 years time.... maybe they will drop the 5D and keep it at 21MP (and leave the crazy 30-50MP stuff for the 1Ds line) and raise it to 6-8fps and pop in the 7D AF and call it a 3D....
Then they will have two fast small bodied camera lines, one crop 7-series and one 3-series FF, with the FF line costing like a $1000 more than the APS-C line.
but that would raise praise to get into FF.... so maybe they keep the 5 series going as a slow budget FF.
lots of tiers though
Then they will have two fast small bodied camera lines, one crop 7-series and one 3-series FF, with the FF line costing like a $1000 more than the APS-C line.
but that would raise praise to get into FF.... so maybe they keep the 5 series going as a slow budget FF.
lots of tiers though
Aug 27, 2009 at 01:34 AM
p.32 #8Canon 7D
Glen_C wrote:
1.6x crop would make this body two years late and many dollars too much (vs D300).
a total misfire.
bonus fail for flash master for "sports" & "birders". ROTFLMAO. What event photogs need 12fps anyways? 5DmkII should have had that. ROTF.
a cheaper, 60d (50d with video & tweaks) would be more welcome in the market & by canon shooters.
So, flash master on the D300s was a misfire? Bird photographers welcome the 1.6x crop and high fps.
The 50D had poor sales.
If the 7D is priced a lot more than the D300s, then I agree it's a total misfire. There's a big market of Canon shooters out there waiting for a camera like the D300s. I'm sure they are not willing to pay that kind of dough for the 7D.
1.6x crop would make this body two years late and many dollars too much (vs D300).
a total misfire.
bonus fail for flash master for "sports" & "birders". ROTFLMAO. What event photogs need 12fps anyways? 5DmkII should have had that. ROTF.
a cheaper, 60d (50d with video & tweaks) would be more welcome in the market & by canon shooters.
So, flash master on the D300s was a misfire? Bird photographers welcome the 1.6x crop and high fps.
The 50D had poor sales.
If the 7D is priced a lot more than the D300s, then I agree it's a total misfire. There's a big market of Canon shooters out there waiting for a camera like the D300s. I'm sure they are not willing to pay that kind of dough for the 7D.
Aug 27, 2009 at 01:45 AM
p.32 #9Canon 7D
skibum5 wrote:
lots of tiers though
Not really.
Until manufacturers come up with interchangeable backs, there will be room for many tiers.
Turns out that with digital sensors, unlike film, one size does not fit all.
Some people are looking for higher resolution and others value ISO and speed over resolution.
I’m actually waiting for the time when each model will come in two variations ala 1D/1Ds.
lots of tiers though
Not really.
Until manufacturers come up with interchangeable backs, there will be room for many tiers.
Turns out that with digital sensors, unlike film, one size does not fit all.
Some people are looking for higher resolution and others value ISO and speed over resolution.
I’m actually waiting for the time when each model will come in two variations ala 1D/1Ds.
Aug 27, 2009 at 02:05 AM
p.32 #11Canon 7D
EOS20 wrote:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2552/3860302676_7752dcdfde_o.jpg
Oh, I see that they finally managed to produce the 200-400/4 DO and 500/2.8 DO.
Reminder, look at the December 21, 2001 update.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2552/3860302676_7752dcdfde_o.jpg
Oh, I see that they finally managed to produce the 200-400/4 DO and 500/2.8 DO.
Reminder, look at the December 21, 2001 update.
Happy shooting,
Yakim.
Aug 27, 2009 at 02:30 AM
p.32 #12Canon 7D
a850 is official. 24 mpx full frame and less than $2000.
I think the 7D is to the 5DMKII as the a850 is to the a900.
I think the 7D is to the 5DMKII as the a850 is to the a900.
Aug 27, 2009 at 08:27 AM
p.32 #13Canon 7D
a850 is official. 24 mpx full frame and less than $2000.
I think the 7D is to the 5DMKII as the a850 is to the a900.
That's quite a camera (the 850) at an amazing price. I suppose it was inevitable as FF sensor volumes increased in manufacturing volume that prices would fall. Add this to hard economic times and we get a price shift. No doubt this will cause a lot of head scratching for Canon and Nikon, but I am sure they will answer in due course. No doubt Sony is trying to grab newcomers to DSLR, and of course keep them once they are invested in lenses.
If there is a 7D it's success may depend on whether or not it is FF. If it is FF then it should do well, even if it is a bit pricier than the Sony.
Sony seem to get a lot of praise for their ergonomics and interface: has anyone here used one, or become familiar with how they handle?
I think the 7D is to the 5DMKII as the a850 is to the a900.
That's quite a camera (the 850) at an amazing price. I suppose it was inevitable as FF sensor volumes increased in manufacturing volume that prices would fall. Add this to hard economic times and we get a price shift. No doubt this will cause a lot of head scratching for Canon and Nikon, but I am sure they will answer in due course. No doubt Sony is trying to grab newcomers to DSLR, and of course keep them once they are invested in lenses.
If there is a 7D it's success may depend on whether or not it is FF. If it is FF then it should do well, even if it is a bit pricier than the Sony.
Sony seem to get a lot of praise for their ergonomics and interface: has anyone here used one, or become familiar with how they handle?
Aug 27, 2009 at 08:42 AM
p.32 #14Canon 7D
Is it just me or will the new Sony FF put alot of pressure on the Nikon D700?
Aug 27, 2009 at 08:54 AM
p.32 #15Canon 7D
David Baldwin wrote:
Is it just me or will the new Sony FF put alot of pressure on the Nikon D700?
TONS!!! Double the megapixels and much lower price, and don't forget built in image stabilization. I'm sure the D700 will go below the $2000 mark once the a850 is available for purchase............
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Is it just me or will the new Sony FF put alot of pressure on the Nikon D700?
TONS!!! Double the megapixels and much lower price, and don't forget built in image stabilization. I'm sure the D700 will go below the $2000 mark once the a850 is available for purchase............
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Aug 27, 2009 at 08:59 AM
p.32 #16Canon 7D
Pelao wrote:
I think the 7D is to the 5DMKII as the a850 is to the a900.Sony seem to get a lot of praise for their ergonomics and interface: has anyone here used one, or become familiar with how they handle?
Check out a bunch of musings regarding the a900.
http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/alpha-850.shtml
Earlier quote
a850 is official. 24 mpx full frame and less than $2000.I think the 7D is to the 5DMKII as the a850 is to the a900.
Check out a bunch of musings regarding the a900.
http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/alpha-850.shtml
Aug 27, 2009 at 09:00 AM
p.32 #17Canon 7D
roanjohnnyc wrote:
TONS!!! Double the megapixels and much lower price, and don't forget built in image stabilization. I'm sure the D700 will go below the $2000 mark once the a850 is available for purchase............
two words: lens selection. I would never get a Sony just for that reason.
David Baldwin wrote
Is it just me or will the new Sony FF put alot of pressure on the Nikon D700?two words: lens selection. I would never get a Sony just for that reason.
Aug 27, 2009 at 09:06 AM
p.32 #18Canon 7D
I would have to agree with orangefirefish.
Too few and too expensive.
Let's just hope they change that, so as to put more pressure on Canon and Nikon.
Too few and too expensive.
Let's just hope they change that, so as to put more pressure on Canon and Nikon.
Aug 27, 2009 at 09:14 AM
p.32 #19Canon 7D
Pelao wrote:
I think the 7D is to the 5DMKII as the a850 is to the a900.That's quite a camera (the 850) at an amazing price. I suppose it was inevitable as FF sensor volumes increased in manufacturing volume that prices would fall. Add this to hard economic times and we get a price shift. No doubt this will cause a lot of head scratching for Canon and Nikon, but I am sure they will answer in due course. No doubt Sony is trying to grab newcomers to DSLR, and of course keep them once they are invested in lenses.
If there is a 7D it's success may depend on whether or not it is FF....Show more →
I had the original Sony A100 and I really liked it. It's very well built (much better than Rebel I would say), and the internal stabilization works great. I sold it mostly because of, as people say, lens selection. I like using prime and Canon is the only one that makes fast prime. Otherwise, I would have continued to use Sony. Don't we just wish Canon would use internal stabilization in their camera.
Earlier quote
a850 is official. 24 mpx full frame and less than $2000.I think the 7D is to the 5DMKII as the a850 is to the a900.
If there is a 7D it's success may depend on whether or not it is FF....Show more →
I had the original Sony A100 and I really liked it. It's very well built (much better than Rebel I would say), and the internal stabilization works great. I sold it mostly because of, as people say, lens selection. I like using prime and Canon is the only one that makes fast prime. Otherwise, I would have continued to use Sony. Don't we just wish Canon would use internal stabilization in their camera.
Aug 27, 2009 at 09:24 AM
p.32 #20Canon 7D
fraga wrote:
I would have to agree with orangefirefish.
Too few and too expensive.
Let's just hope they change that, so as to put more pressure on Canon and Nikon.
Agree on both counts. Although I think they are on the right track - 24-70 f2.8, 35 f1.4 and 135 f1.8. Really not that bad for a serious wedding/portrait photographer.
I would have to agree with orangefirefish.
Too few and too expensive.
Let's just hope they change that, so as to put more pressure on Canon and Nikon.
Agree on both counts. Although I think they are on the right track - 24-70 f2.8, 35 f1.4 and 135 f1.8. Really not that bad for a serious wedding/portrait photographer.
Aug 27, 2009 at 09:51 AM