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Archive 2009Canon 7D
p.27 #1Canon 7D
My FF Rebel has a variety of sensor options... Velvia 50, Provia 400X, Kodak Gold 200... 
Aug 25, 2009 at 06:36 AM
p.27 #2Canon 7D
RobertLynn wrote:
What baffles me is that people think that Canon is going to release a BETTER camera for LESS money than the 5D2.
And I'm willing to bet, that there won't be a FF rebel, at least for a long time.
well no the 7d wont be better than a 5dmk2 but the 3d will be...
What baffles me is that people think that Canon is going to release a BETTER camera for LESS money than the 5D2.
And I'm willing to bet, that there won't be a FF rebel, at least for a long time.
well no the 7d wont be better than a 5dmk2 but the 3d will be...
Aug 25, 2009 at 06:43 AM
p.27 #3Canon 7D
timbop wrote:
OK, why not:
The 7d will NOT, in any possible way, be aps-h. Canon plans to eliminate that form factor, so it will either be FF or APS-C (and thus ef-s compatible). As mentioned by jrscls, if it is slated to sell for the same price as the 5dm2 then it cannot be a full frame with better AF and faster frame rate - even with a 12mp sensor. Most likely case based on what has been leaked, is that it will be an APS-C with popup flash and probably better AF than the 50d but NOT 1d AF. What that...Show more →
There's several possibilities, and here's one. The 1-series merges into one full-frame, fast pro camera. The 1D Mk IV or whatever it might be called. 20+ mpx, all the speed and capability of the 1D3 (with an improved focus system) but with a full-frame sensor.
Then, the 7D becomes the new 1.3X, small-footprint sports/action camera with 12-15 mpx, 6-8 fps, and a nice pro AF system.
Probably wishful thinking on my part - I wouldn't mind a fast camera to use along side my 5D2, but I don't like what the APS-C has to offer. Even when I had a 40D along with my 5D, I almost always reached for the 5D. Such is the lure of a big, clean sensor at least to me.
This is all speculation, of course. If nothing else, it provides entertainment for the Canon marketers that get to read all this.
OK, why not:
The 7d will NOT, in any possible way, be aps-h. Canon plans to eliminate that form factor, so it will either be FF or APS-C (and thus ef-s compatible). As mentioned by jrscls, if it is slated to sell for the same price as the 5dm2 then it cannot be a full frame with better AF and faster frame rate - even with a 12mp sensor. Most likely case based on what has been leaked, is that it will be an APS-C with popup flash and probably better AF than the 50d but NOT 1d AF. What that...Show more →
There's several possibilities, and here's one. The 1-series merges into one full-frame, fast pro camera. The 1D Mk IV or whatever it might be called. 20+ mpx, all the speed and capability of the 1D3 (with an improved focus system) but with a full-frame sensor.
Then, the 7D becomes the new 1.3X, small-footprint sports/action camera with 12-15 mpx, 6-8 fps, and a nice pro AF system.
Probably wishful thinking on my part - I wouldn't mind a fast camera to use along side my 5D2, but I don't like what the APS-C has to offer. Even when I had a 40D along with my 5D, I almost always reached for the 5D. Such is the lure of a big, clean sensor at least to me.
This is all speculation, of course. If nothing else, it provides entertainment for the Canon marketers that get to read all this.
Aug 25, 2009 at 06:54 AM
p.27 #4Canon 7D
I guess it would be futile to hope for eye-controlled focus. A technology from the past that worked great on film bodies.
Aug 25, 2009 at 07:18 AM
p.27 #5Canon 7D
outlawyer wrote:
I guess it would be futile to hope for eye-controlled focus. A technology from the past that worked great on film bodies.
This gets brought up often here. My experience was the opposite. I had 2 Elan7e's, played with the eye control for a while on each, found it really annoying and turned it off. I'm not saying everyone felt this way. but I found it more of a gimmick.
I guess it would be futile to hope for eye-controlled focus. A technology from the past that worked great on film bodies.
This gets brought up often here. My experience was the opposite. I had 2 Elan7e's, played with the eye control for a while on each, found it really annoying and turned it off. I'm not saying everyone felt this way. but I found it more of a gimmick.
Aug 25, 2009 at 08:11 AM
p.27 #6Canon 7D
XsigmaSD wrote:
This gets brought up often here. My experience was the opposite. I had 2 Elan7e's, played with the eye control for a while on each, found it really annoying and turned it off. I'm not saying everyone felt this way. but I found it more of a gimmick.
I imagine eye control would be great if you're the type of shooter that looks at what you want to focus on, but would be terrible if you want to focus one one object, but want to look around the frame to check composition.
outlawyer wrote
I guess it would be futile to hope for eye-controlled focus. A technology from the past that worked great on film bodies.I imagine eye control would be great if you're the type of shooter that looks at what you want to focus on, but would be terrible if you want to focus one one object, but want to look around the frame to check composition.
Aug 25, 2009 at 08:15 AM
p.27 #7Canon 7D
Tom_W wrote:
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There's several possibilities, and here's one. The 1-series merges into one full-frame, fast pro camera. The 1D Mk IV or whatever it might be called. 20+ mpx, all the speed and capability of the 1D3 (with an improved focus system) but with a full-frame sensor.
Then, the 7D becomes the new 1.3X, small-footprint sports/action camera with 12-15 mpx, 6-8 fps, and a nice pro AF system...
If Canon is indeed trying to phase out the 1.3X crop from their "professional" line then this might make sense.
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There's several possibilities, and here's one. The 1-series merges into one full-frame, fast pro camera. The 1D Mk IV or whatever it might be called. 20+ mpx, all the speed and capability of the 1D3 (with an improved focus system) but with a full-frame sensor.
Then, the 7D becomes the new 1.3X, small-footprint sports/action camera with 12-15 mpx, 6-8 fps, and a nice pro AF system...
If Canon is indeed trying to phase out the 1.3X crop from their "professional" line then this might make sense.
Aug 25, 2009 at 08:43 AM
p.27 #8Canon 7D
kakomu wrote:
This gets brought up often here. My experience was the opposite. I had 2 Elan7e's, played with the eye control for a while on each, found it really annoying and turned it off. I'm not saying everyone felt this way. but I found it more of a gimmick.I imagine eye control would be great if you're the type of shooter that looks at what you want to focus on, but would be terrible if you want to focus one one object, but want to look around the frame to check composition.
It wasn't an issue you just don't know how it worked. It would only focus when you half pressed the shutter or the * button on back when you chooser your focus point. After you released or locked focus you could examine your comp without refocusing...
XsigmaSD wrote
outlawyer wrote
I guess it would be futile to hope for eye-controlled focus. A technology from the past that worked great on film bodies.It wasn't an issue you just don't know how it worked. It would only focus when you half pressed the shutter or the * button on back when you chooser your focus point. After you released or locked focus you could examine your comp without refocusing...
Aug 25, 2009 at 08:45 AM
p.27 #9Canon 7D
drobertfranz wrote:
This gets brought up often here. My experience was the opposite. I had 2 Elan7e's, played with the eye control for a while on each, found it really annoying and turned it off. I'm not saying everyone felt this way. but I found it more of a gimmick.I imagine eye control would be great if you're the type of shooter that looks at what you want to focus on, but would be terrible if you want to focus one one object, but want to look around the frame to check composition.It wasn't an issue you just don't know how it worked. It would only focus when you half pressed the shutter or the * button on back when you chooser your focus point. After you released or locked focus you could examine your comp without refocusing...
Seems a lot more work than it's worth.
kakomu wrote
XsigmaSD wrote
outlawyer wrote
I guess it would be futile to hope for eye-controlled focus. A technology from the past that worked great on film bodies.Seems a lot more work than it's worth.
Aug 25, 2009 at 08:51 AM
p.27 #10Canon 7D
Tom_W wrote:
There's several possibilities, and here's one. The 1-series merges into one full-frame, fast pro camera. The 1D Mk IV or whatever it might be called. 20+ mpx, all the speed and capability of the 1D3 (with an improved focus system) but with a full-frame sensor.
It's possible that Canon will make a FF 1D4 but merging the 1D with 1Ds? I doubt they're going to halve their income willingly. It won't happen unless a competition product force them to do it I think.
There's several possibilities, and here's one. The 1-series merges into one full-frame, fast pro camera. The 1D Mk IV or whatever it might be called. 20+ mpx, all the speed and capability of the 1D3 (with an improved focus system) but with a full-frame sensor.
It's possible that Canon will make a FF 1D4 but merging the 1D with 1Ds? I doubt they're going to halve their income willingly. It won't happen unless a competition product force them to do it I think.
Aug 25, 2009 at 09:07 AM
p.27 #11Canon 7D
Or the 7D will be the new 1.3 crop 1D mark IV, and the 1D3 and 1Ds3 will be merged into one FF camera?
Aug 25, 2009 at 09:09 AM
p.27 #12Canon 7D
kakomu wrote:
Seems a lot more work than it's worth.
Actually much quicker than manually going through 45 focus points with the back wheel to pick the one you want to use. And fairly reliable even for a glasses wearer like myself.
Not a feature that's high on my wish list, but I don't see why you have to knock it without seeming to have any first hand experience.
drobertfranz wrote
It wasn't an issue you just don't know how it worked. It would only focus when you half pressed the shutter or the * button on back when you chooser your focus point. After you released or locked focus you could examine your comp without refocusing...Actually much quicker than manually going through 45 focus points with the back wheel to pick the one you want to use. And fairly reliable even for a glasses wearer like myself.
Not a feature that's high on my wish list, but I don't see why you have to knock it without seeming to have any first hand experience.
Aug 25, 2009 at 09:16 AM
p.27 #13Canon 7D
digitalbug30d wrote:
and 3d as a FF poormans 1dsmk3 or 4
I thought that was the 5D mark II!
and 3d as a FF poormans 1dsmk3 or 4
I thought that was the 5D mark II!
Aug 25, 2009 at 09:19 AM
p.27 #14Canon 7D
Zara wrote:
but I don't see why you have to knock it without seeming to have any first hand experience.
I didn't "knock" the feature. I said it seems like it was more work than it's worth.
I don't see why two different people have to attack me for showing little interest in a niche feature.
but I don't see why you have to knock it without seeming to have any first hand experience.
I didn't "knock" the feature. I said it seems like it was more work than it's worth.
I don't see why two different people have to attack me for showing little interest in a niche feature.
Aug 25, 2009 at 09:27 AM
p.27 #15Canon 7D
"I doubt they're going to halve their income willingly."
just to play advocatus diaboli, maybe they'd willingly halve the cost of producing two pro cameras (even though, admittedly, they are technically for two different groups), especially if they can can satisfy both groups with one (and split the price). nikon seems to get along fine with only one 'pro' camera.
just to play advocatus diaboli, maybe they'd willingly halve the cost of producing two pro cameras (even though, admittedly, they are technically for two different groups), especially if they can can satisfy both groups with one (and split the price). nikon seems to get along fine with only one 'pro' camera.
Aug 25, 2009 at 09:28 AM
p.27 #16Canon 7D
abam wrote:
"I doubt they're going to halve their income willingly."
just to play advocatus diaboli, maybe they'd willingly halve the cost of producing two pro cameras (even though, admittedly, they are technically for two different groups), especially if they can can satisfy both groups with one (and split the price). nikon seems to get along fine with only one 'pro' camera.
- 0R - ..........maybe they are in the process of marketing a larger than full frame size sensor and introduce that to the studio photographers to challenge the MF segment - ala Leica S2 or Nikon MX??!!!
"I doubt they're going to halve their income willingly."
just to play advocatus diaboli, maybe they'd willingly halve the cost of producing two pro cameras (even though, admittedly, they are technically for two different groups), especially if they can can satisfy both groups with one (and split the price). nikon seems to get along fine with only one 'pro' camera.
- 0R - ..........maybe they are in the process of marketing a larger than full frame size sensor and introduce that to the studio photographers to challenge the MF segment - ala Leica S2 or Nikon MX??!!!
Aug 25, 2009 at 10:03 AM
p.27 #17Canon 7D
They would need a whole new set of lenses for that.
R&D and then manufacturing costs (whole new, specific assembly lines, possybly even new factory) for this would be very, very high...
R&D and then manufacturing costs (whole new, specific assembly lines, possybly even new factory) for this would be very, very high...
Aug 25, 2009 at 10:12 AM
p.27 #18Canon 7D
Lotsa fake pictures of the non-existent 7D out there:
http://www.roumazeilles.net/news/fr/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/canon_eos_7d.jpg
http://www.blog.jimdoty.com/wp-content/uploads/canon7dbox.jpg
http://www.fotomaf.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/7d2.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B9QptPHH85Y/RwPU0-wFPQI/AAAAAAAACQk/77g3MjPXhHc/s200/CAnon+7D+UPC.jpg
http://www.roumazeilles.net/news/fr/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/canon_eos_7d.jpg
http://www.blog.jimdoty.com/wp-content/uploads/canon7dbox.jpg
http://www.fotomaf.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/7d2.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B9QptPHH85Y/RwPU0-wFPQI/AAAAAAAACQk/77g3MjPXhHc/s200/CAnon+7D+UPC.jpg
Aug 25, 2009 at 10:16 AM
p.27 #19Canon 7D
fraga wrote:
They would need a whole new set of lenses for that.
R&D and then manufacturing costs (whole new, specific assembly lines, possybly even new factory) for this would be very, very high...
It's not like Canon isn't capable. They did the same thing in the 1980s with the EF system.
They would need a whole new set of lenses for that.
R&D and then manufacturing costs (whole new, specific assembly lines, possybly even new factory) for this would be very, very high...
It's not like Canon isn't capable. They did the same thing in the 1980s with the EF system.
Aug 25, 2009 at 10:21 AM
p.27 #20Canon 7D
kakomu wrote:
R&D and then manufacturing costs (whole new, specific assembly lines, possybly even new factory) for this would be very, very high...It's not like Canon isn't capable. They did the same thing in the 1980s with the EF system.
Maybe they are capable, but put into perspective, it's a very small (and relatively crowded) market segment for such an investment. One that they've already made effectively smaller with the 1Ds series and the photographers who have chosen it over medium format digital.
It would probably make more sense for Canon to focus such efforts on a micro-EF format system to compete against m4/3, which as a consumer/prosumer format, has a much larger potential customer base.
fraga wrote
They would need a whole new set of lenses for that.R&D and then manufacturing costs (whole new, specific assembly lines, possybly even new factory) for this would be very, very high...
Maybe they are capable, but put into perspective, it's a very small (and relatively crowded) market segment for such an investment. One that they've already made effectively smaller with the 1Ds series and the photographers who have chosen it over medium format digital.
It would probably make more sense for Canon to focus such efforts on a micro-EF format system to compete against m4/3, which as a consumer/prosumer format, has a much larger potential customer base.
Aug 25, 2009 at 10:34 AM