timbop wrote:
Right- which is why I don't believe a 60d is coming in august (the 1dm4 is).
I reckon Canon can easily sell ten xxD bodies to a single 1D. I don't know about you but if I was Canon, I'd put my priority on getting the next xxD out, specially since Nikon just release the D300s.
The 60D is probably going to be a 50DmkII with improved gapless microlens sensor and video. If Canon has a surprise like the way they put high ISO on a Rebel, I'd imagine it would be a new AF though that's probably just a wishful thinking.
timbop wrote:
You guys really need to quit reading canonrumors; that site is predominantly wish lists and guesses. A week or two before the launch they start getting good info, but the rest of the time it is somebody's fantasy that just sets you up for disappointment.
Ya, I've noticed that too. Seems to be true for all rumor sites.
Canon obviously builds the xxD models to a specific price point. The 50D is about $500 less than the D300/D300s, and any replacement model (60D) would likely be offered at the same price point. For that reason, it is very unlikely that you will see 1-series AF in this line of cameras.
I think Canon's 50D is a solid offering at its price point. It splits the D90/D300 in both features and price, and Canon is obviously comfortable with this product placement strategy. For the advanced amateur, the only thing it needs to stay competetive at this price point for the next year or two is video, which is why I think a replacement model is likely to come sooner than later.
What us pros and wanna-be pros might wish for (pro AF, better weather sealing, decent ergonomics and build quality on the grip, "master" mode for the built-in flash, etc.) would be cool but would very likely substantially increase the price and thus do squat to help sell this camera in its current market niche.
The 50D sales are not comparable to the 5DMkII. Many with a 40D didn't upgrade to the 50D. Canon announces an SLR every 6 months or so, the last was the 500D on March 25th, so this time it could be the 1DMkIV or the 60D. My feeling is that it will be the 1DMkIV in order for availability for the 2010 Winter Olympic games in Vancouver, Canada in Feb 2010. Although the 50D sales are not what was expected, I suspect it has improved after prices dropped.
Paolo Dolina wrote:
Cropped bodies tend to have an annual upgrade cycle while full frame and pro bodies tend to have 3 year cycles.
It will probably be the 1D4 and the 60D in a few weeks time.
The 50D was the first in the xxD series to come out sooner than 18 months from it's predecessor's release, so it's hard to say if that was an anamoly or new strategy. Personally, I think Canon was blindsided by the d300, which is why the 1 yr replacement of the 40d. The rebels do come out more often, but none are due now.
timbop wrote:
The 50D was the first in the xxD series to come out sooner than 18 months from it's predecessor's release, so it's hard to say if that was an anamoly or new strategy. Personally, I think Canon was blindsided by the d300, which is why the 1 yr replacement of the 40d. The rebels do come out more often, but none are due now.
Unquestionably, the 1d4 is due and very likely
Remember also that Canon made I perfectly clear that the 50d was not a replacement of the 40d but instead it was a sister product meant to compliment the 40d in the product line.
in that regard all bets are now off. We could be looking at a 40d replacement on a 2 year cycle for all we know. Considering the fork in the xxxd series this is not too far fetched.
I for one don't believe Canon is ready to commit to the high res sensor as the companies prosumer product. It may be great in some applications, but it comes with a lot of tradeoffs.
nads wrote:
Remember also that Canon made I perfectly clear that the 50d was not a replacement of the 40d but instead it was a sister product meant to compliment the 40d in the product line.
in that regard all bets are now off. We could be looking at a 40d replacement on a 2 year cycle for all we know. Considering the fork in the xxxd series this is not too far fetched.
I for one don't believe Canon is ready to commit to the high res sensor as the companies prosumer product. It may be great in some applications, but it comes with a lot of tradeoffs. ...Show more →
Yes, that is true that they kept the 40d around, but I still believe that the 50d was rushed out as a stopgap measure. Remember at the time that the 1d3 was having major AF issues (so what else is new?), and the 40d was upstaged handily by the d300. Canon had no feature in the 40d that was better than the d300, with the pitiful exception of the price.
So, I believe the 50d was rushed out but they kept the 40d as an "active" camera to try to recoup some of it's R&D, as well as deplete the stock levels. I could be very wrong, as they've used the "2 active model" strategy in the rebel xxxD series for a while now. I don't really know, but I can't see Canon adding anything "pro" from the 1 series, so all that is left is video and upping the MP count. The 50D already outguns the d300s in MP, and they've already incorporated gapless lenses to try to make the most out of APS-C real estate. The 50d starts to hit diffraction limits at f/7.1, so continuing to push MP has very little benefit.
timbop wrote:
The 50D was the first in the xxD series to come out sooner than 18 months from it's predecessor's release, so it's hard to say if that was an anamoly or new strategy. Personally, I think Canon was blindsided by the d300, which is why the 1 yr replacement of the 40d. The rebels do come out more often, but none are due now.
Unquestionably, the 1d4 is due and very likely
I completely agree the d300 was a surprise to Canon who appears to be more interested in stagnating the DSLR rather than be the industry leader.
My #1 wish is that Canon will sell bodies that are 1 generation ahead of Nikon just like before.
I don't *know* anymore than anyone else here, but I'm inclined to think that - if there is an announcement - it might be a 60D. After the travails with the 1DIII - which they've obviously been working on until recently - I suspect there's going to be some serious trialing/field testing before the release of a 1DIV & I think we would have heard something about that.
I thought someone said a few months back that major newspapers had to sign a new nda in regards to being issued new cameras from canon? What ever happened with that?
timbop wrote:
So, I believe the 50d was rushed out but they kept the 40d as an "active" camera to try to recoup some of it's R&D, as well as deplete the stock levels. I could be very wrong, as they've used the "2 active model" strategy in the rebel xxxD series for a while now. I don't really know, but I can't see Canon adding anything "pro" from the 1 series, so all that is left is video and upping the MP count. The 50D already outguns the d300s in MP, and they've already incorporated gapless lenses to try to make the most out of APS-C real estate. The 50d starts to hit diffraction limits at f/7.1, so continuing to push MP has very little benefit. ...Show more →
I think the limitations of the high density sensor are exactly why there will be a split strategy, at least in the short run. I know there are no shortage of exceptions, but for the most part the person buying in this category does not need the extra resolution. A person buying in lower price categories tends to spend less on accessories. That means they don't buy the lenses needed for the resolution they have. They also have slower lenses that don't hit the sweet spot until they are stopped down beyond the point where they are diffraction limited. They also do not spend as much on requisite storage capacity for the additional file sizes.
If a high density sensor becomes the only sub 3k option other than the entry Rebel I would predict that Canon's sales will be dismal. Adding video to the 50d isn't going to give Canon a compelling product.
Nowhere Man wrote:
I thought someone said a few months back that major newspapers had to sign a new nda in regards to being issued new cameras from canon? What ever happened with that?
I think it ended sometime in August, so we should be seeing a launch in the coming weeks.
Greg Schneider wrote:
I think it ended sometime in August, so we should be seeing a launch in the coming weeks.
But there's been no leaks, no rumors? I find that hard to believe. My guess is it's not a *major* product announcement - at least as far as folks on this board are concerned. And before you leap on me, that's not to say that a kick-ass 60D wouldn't be major - it's just not "flagship".
rsg_1 wrote:
Although the 50D sales are not what was expected, I suspect it has improved after prices dropped.
Yes, but NOWHERE near the sales of 20D, 30D and 40D.
Consumers have spoken with their wallets and sent a very strong message to Canon: time for Canon to buck up.
If Canon disappoints again, they will be out of the game much sooner than they think.
Yes, the 50D sells better than the D300, but it's nowhere like the D90. While Nikon enjoys brisks sales from their D40/D60 (both will be replaced by the impending D3000), D90 and D5000, Canon only sees good sales numbers from their 500D.
Honestly, I don't care how Canon fares. Like other consumers out there, I am plain selfish and only want them to release the product I want, NOT what they THINK I want.
Seems to be true for all rumor sites.