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Archive 2009 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?

  
 
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p.9 #1 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?


evertdoorn wrote:
From what I've seen in reviews and the unit itself in real life, the compact size and weight is a real bonus and this advantage is somewhat diminished with the full size Ranger packs.


Speedlights are even smaller and lighter...

Not saying that you should compare speedlights with the Quadra... but the same goes for comparing the Quadra with the Ranger as well. Totally different beasts regarding performance, power and functionality (besides weight and size).

Also, when using the Quadra, you have to consider that you might want to take a modifier, lightstand, etc as well. Maybe the whole package won't be so small and light after all... (although still lighter than the Ranger + acc.)

I have a Ranger... if you want to check it out, let me know



Jun 18, 2009 at 03:45 AM
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Mmm...you are of course correct, you can try to compare all these options in terms of raw power but they serve a different purpose, and it would be wisest to choose the application that most fits your needs. I think the quadra would fit in place where one needs location lighting that can be very quick to setup and where a bit more power than speedlites is required. Maybe bringing modifiers would even be a bad idea and to hang on to the idea of simplicity, to just use them with the reflectors.

Would be very cool if I can take a closer look at your Ranger!






Jun 18, 2009 at 04:02 AM
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p.9 #3 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?


evertdoorn wrote:
Mmm...you are of course correct, you can try to compare all these options in terms of raw power but they serve a different purpose, and it would be wisest to choose the application that most fits your needs. I think the quadra would fit in place where one needs location lighting that can be very quick to setup and where a bit more power than speedlites is required. Maybe bringing modifiers would even be a bad idea and to hang on to the idea of simplicity, to just use them with the reflectors.


Right... the moment you start to mess with modifiers on the Quadra, it looses much of its appeal (IMO). I agree... it seems very useful when used (without modifiers) as a kind of speedlight with a bit more power. In that light I wonder how recycle times and flash durations compare between the speedlights (like the Canon ex580II) and the Quadra.

Would be very cool if I can take a closer look at your Ranger!

Sure, no problem... just sent me a PM



Jun 18, 2009 at 04:09 AM
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p.9 #4 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?


More people getting the Quadra ............. this time Rytterfalk.......... using the Sigma DP2 :-)

http://www.rytterfalk.com/2009/06/16/elinchrom-ranger-quadra-as-mine/

http://www.rytterfalk.com/2009/06/16/elinchrom-ranger-quadra-day-2/

.........when are these things getting to the states??!!!



Jun 18, 2009 at 11:57 AM
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p.9 #5 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?


Sadly, Vistek's web site saying X is 'in stock' doesn't mean X is 'in stock'. Not the quickest when it comes to updating their web site. Best to call before ordering if you need something ASAP...

RonSilver wrote:
Vistek has them in stock in Toronto... www.vistek.ca




Jun 18, 2009 at 01:23 PM
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p.9 #6 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?


I'm in Switzerland now and managed to pick up the Quadra pack an one A head A nice saving over the Swedish price I will probably pick up an extra head and battery, plus the adapter for the normal modifiers.

Even though it does lose some of it's advantages when you add the modifiers etc.. It is still an advantage when you can fit the pack, one or two head, plus your camera an lenses in the same bag You need a big bag to do that with the Ranger

I am looking at using mine to sometimes support my Ranger giving me either a fully asynchronous 2nd light or even as the 3rd & 4th light on location.



Jun 18, 2009 at 02:08 PM
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RonSilver wrote:
Vistek has them in stock in Toronto... www.vistek.ca


Would that be Ron Silver - AKA - Mr. Vistek.

Usually you can get Elinchrom dramatically cheaper by ordering from any reputable US dealer.



Jun 18, 2009 at 03:31 PM
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Did a shoot today outdoor carrying it for 4 miles. During the shoot it gets windy, and it felt to the ground from 2.5m height.

Front landing first, I thought oh shit need a new tube :-(, in fact it dented the reflector. Check cable & connector and continue to shoot.

I like to take it on location, use it and get damage rather than pay-out for a unit sitting at home. The quadra is staying in my bag all the time :-).



Jun 18, 2009 at 04:07 PM
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p.9 #9 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?


Daan B wrote:
Speedlights are even smaller and lighter...

Not saying that you should compare speedlights with the Quadra... but the same goes for comparing the Quadra with the Ranger as well.


I have tried many different solutions over the years. Unfortunately, you really do need to get hands on testing to determine the best fit for you, and for your specific application.

For example, I have a set of 3 Canon 550EX and a ST-E2. That cost more than $1,000, and I have used it very rarely, though I use the individual speedlights sometimes for sports, etc.

I also had a set of Dynalite Uni JR 400's. Those use smaller Quyantum Turbo-compatible batteries. That really is a nice set-up. It gets about 100 full power shots on a set of Jackrabbit (Dynalite) batteries. It can also use Dynalite modifiers, which is the biggest plus. Pretty compact and light weight. Two monolights with batteries cost about $1,000 used.

I also used a Dynalite XP1100, which is a portable battery and inverter to provide AC power for monolights, power packs, etc. on location. That was a great unit. It has a true 1100 watts of power (about 3-4x as much as a Vagabond 2, 7x as much power as a Tronix, etc.) It weighs about 22 pounds, which is just a few pounds more than a Vagabond at 18 pounds. Those cost about $1,100 used.

It also uses interchangeable batteries. It takes just a few seconds to swap out batteries, which is a really nice feature! Shoot all day and no need to worry about running out of power!

I could use the XP1100 with my good quality packs when I was working in a controlled situation. I also used it with a Speedotron Brownline pack and heads when I had to work outside in the rain one time. Or as an alternate source for my Dynalite Uni JR 400's - as backup if my Jackrabbit/Turbo batteries ran out of power.

Eventually I migrated to self-contained power packs with a built in battery. In my case I use a Broncolor Mobil, which is a 12 pound unit with 2 pound heads. So a pack with 2 heads and an extra battery weighs about the same as a Vagabond battery by itself. Those sell for about $1,800 used. The Visatec Litepac version sells for about $1,000 used with 1 or 2 heads.

There are also the higher-end battery packs, like the Profoto B2 and Broncolor Verso, that approach the functionality of an AC studio pack on location.

I think most people here who have migrated to a pack with battery solution - Ranger, Porty, etc. - use that more than other solutions, like speedlights.

The first question really needs to be, what quality of output do you need? I, personally, am **rarely** happy with a speedlight with modifers. (But I also don't shoot weddings, etc.) We are seeing better solutions than were available in the past, like the pop-up softboxes or even the Photoflex extra small softbox.

If something like speedlights aren't adequate for your purpose, the question is, which other portable solution is easiest to use while giving you the access to the modifiers you need and the power you need for the specific setup? I personally wopuld rather do a little extra work to haul the equipment I want toi give me the quality I want. The only ones who are really impressed by poor quality shots that are done with little equipment are other photogs. The client only really sees the poor quality. They don't really care that it was done with a flashlight from 1,000 feet away at ISO 128,000!

The Quadra seems like a great solution. But I already have **way** too much equipment - no excuse to add more.

Best,
Michael



Jun 18, 2009 at 06:22 PM
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p.9 #10 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?


I ordered a Quadra-Set "Quadra To Go Case A Set with Softlite + EL Adapter" (www.profotshop.ch) today.
My reasons for buying:
- portability/weight
- 400Ws
- Elinchrome adapter (I've got 6 Style RX's at home and a lot of light formers)
- perfect "middle thing" between Speedlites and the big Rangers
- price

What I expect from it:
- more powerful than speedlights
- more flexibility to adapt to different light situations or my light wishes (beeing able to use umbrellas, reflectors, beauty dishes etc.)

It should be delivered within 2 weeks - that's what the Shop says

If everything works out as I planned and the Quadra Set delivers the performance I hope for, I will buy a second set and shoot on location a lot more than before


my2cent
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Jun 19, 2009 at 07:03 AM
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p.9 #11 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?


I saw the Bogen man in Arlington this afternoon. He said the Quadra would be here in 2 to 3 weeks. He said he actually laid eyes on it for the first time last weekend. He said that only one light kits will be available at first. Hang in there!


Jun 19, 2009 at 06:47 PM
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tonghc wrote:
Did a shoot today outdoor carrying it for 4 miles. During the shoot it gets windy, and it felt to the ground from 2.5m height.


Unless of course youre on hard ground, I use small very light Titanium tent pegs to pin my lightstands to the ground, right at the end of each leg, and some times even a guy rope on the head/modifier. That way I can still take my light modifiers and use them in high wind no problem without having to take heavy sandbags or a Beauty dish.

I did the same as you, walked a few mile with the quadra in a pack and set up one with an Eazy Box and the other with an Umbrella box. Very windy it was but everything stayed pinned to the ground.



Jun 20, 2009 at 02:44 AM
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deepsnapper wrote:
I saw the Bogen man in Arlington this afternoon. He said the Quadra would be here in 2 to 3 weeks. He said he actually laid eyes on it for the first time last weekend. He said that only one light kits will be available at first. Hang in there!


I'll believe it when I see it...... It still doesn't show up on BH / Adorama site for pre-order.



Jun 20, 2009 at 08:53 AM
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p.9 #14 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?


2 test shots i took today at 1pm with the quadra and a lastolite 100cm umbrella box
1/250 @ F11
Quadra set at full power

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3352/3643608039_1b69df5fb3_o_d.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3383/3643607589_569a900fd3_o_d.jpg



Jun 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM
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Great shot!! How far from the subject is your Quadra?

If you are getting f11 with umbrella, I can only image what you will get with the maxi spot reflector.......

Thanks!!



Jun 20, 2009 at 12:40 PM
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Nice captures Gordonmac


Hatch



Jun 21, 2009 at 03:54 PM
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Nice work Gordon, considering you were shooting into an umbrella that's pretty good output for 1pm even in the UK


Gordonmac wrote:
2 test shots i took today at 1pm with the quadra and a lastolite 100cm umbrella box
1/250 @ F11
Quadra set at full power

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3352/3643608039_1b69df5fb3_o_d.jpg




Jun 22, 2009 at 02:21 PM
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Subject looks a lot like Lance Armstrong. Made me do a doubletake.


Jun 22, 2009 at 04:12 PM
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p.9 #19 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?


When are these coming to the USA? I want one last week.


Jun 23, 2009 at 03:09 AM
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p.9 #20 · Elinchrom Quadra - got it yet?


Here is a recent shot at the beach, full sun around 1PM. The sun was not facing me so of course I did not need full power. You can guess the position of the sun looking at the reflection on her forehead, and the location of the single bare head looking in her eyes.
I know there are still shadows and it's not a perfect shoot at all - but I've used it just a few times and I'm new to strobes on location.
So far so good, this works great for me. Talk this with a grain (of sand), as I have no experience with any other unit.





Jun 24, 2009 at 12:49 AM
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