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p.1 #2D3x better than 5DII
He used two (or three) different lenses to do the test. It would have been more credible to use the exact same lens on both cameras. Plus the D3x is about 3X the price of the other camera. I know that's very cliche-ish but there is no denying.... 
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Jan 08, 2009 at 04:22 PM
p.1 #3D3x better than 5DII
Ok, Rockwell has his new toy... He used to sing praises to the 5D, but now he has abandon his true love for another 
Seriously, he is comparing JPEG's... He says he rather compares JPEG's because: "If I shot raw, we'd be comparing the variations in how any given piece of software processed images from different cameras instead of getting a clear view of what each camera actually does when processing an entire image to completion as a JPG."
I don't get it... JPEG's are processed by software as well... only in-camera (in his case)
Seriously, he is comparing JPEG's... He says he rather compares JPEG's because: "If I shot raw, we'd be comparing the variations in how any given piece of software processed images from different cameras instead of getting a clear view of what each camera actually does when processing an entire image to completion as a JPG."
I don't get it... JPEG's are processed by software as well... only in-camera (in his case)
Jan 08, 2009 at 04:23 PM
p.1 #4D3x better than 5DII
This has been confirmed by others including diglloyd also...
"the Nikon D3x offers the finest image quality in a DSLR the world has yet seen. The online bitching and moaning about the price won’t change that fact—I don’t like it either. But if you need or want the very best DSLR available today, the Nikon D3x is your camera. In fact, I have zero desire to shoot my Canon 1Ds Mark III any more. None at all. It’s not about resolution: it’s about stunning image quality."
http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/blog.html
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"the Nikon D3x offers the finest image quality in a DSLR the world has yet seen. The online bitching and moaning about the price won’t change that fact—I don’t like it either. But if you need or want the very best DSLR available today, the Nikon D3x is your camera. In fact, I have zero desire to shoot my Canon 1Ds Mark III any more. None at all. It’s not about resolution: it’s about stunning image quality."
http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/blog.html
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Jan 08, 2009 at 04:25 PM
p.1 #5D3x better than 5DII
Looks like he proved that the D3x makes a good jpeg. In all honesty, who would shoot jpeg on any of these cameras? You miss out on a lot of detail and tonality. I don't think Canon's jpegs have ever been something to brag about.
Jan 08, 2009 at 04:27 PM
p.1 #6D3x better than 5DII
*Darth Vader*
NOOooooooooo!
He's so smart, comparing out of camera jpgs from a $2.8K and a $8K camera, just like real users of those cameras would.
Man, he even tells us what aperture he shot those images at.... the "Optimum Aperture". I must have missed that setting before.
<-- wow that's disgusting.
NOOooooooooo!
He's so smart, comparing out of camera jpgs from a $2.8K and a $8K camera, just like real users of those cameras would.
Man, he even tells us what aperture he shot those images at.... the "Optimum Aperture". I must have missed that setting before.
<-- wow that's disgusting.Jan 08, 2009 at 04:36 PM
p.1 #7D3x better than 5DII
I like Ken's blog and think he tells it more like it is from a working pro perspective, and less from a pixel-peeper's.
This test result shows more the differences between equivalent Canon glass and Nikon glass, though.
-m
This test result shows more the differences between equivalent Canon glass and Nikon glass, though.
-m
Jan 08, 2009 at 04:40 PM
p.1 #8D3x better than 5DII
gman1339 wrote:
This has been confirmed by others including diglloyd also...
"the Nikon D3x offers the finest image quality in a DSLR the world has yet seen. The online bitching and moaning about the price won’t change that fact—I don’t like it either. But if you need or want the very best DSLR available today, the Nikon D3x is your camera. In fact, I have zero desire to shoot my Canon 1Ds Mark III any more. None at all. It’s not about resolution: it’s about stunning image quality."
http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/blog.html
Maybe this Digilloyd guy can give his 1Ds3 to me... I am always on the look-out for a decent back-up cam...
This has been confirmed by others including diglloyd also...
"the Nikon D3x offers the finest image quality in a DSLR the world has yet seen. The online bitching and moaning about the price won’t change that fact—I don’t like it either. But if you need or want the very best DSLR available today, the Nikon D3x is your camera. In fact, I have zero desire to shoot my Canon 1Ds Mark III any more. None at all. It’s not about resolution: it’s about stunning image quality."
http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/blog.html
Maybe this Digilloyd guy can give his 1Ds3 to me... I am always on the look-out for a decent back-up cam...
Jan 08, 2009 at 04:42 PM
p.1 #9D3x better than 5DII
Didn't Ken try to start a boycott of the D3x?
Anyhow, three problems- was the Canon lens focused right? Was the Canon lens actaully good or was it a bad copy (I know, that doesn't happen very often), did Nikon do a better job processing the jpegs?
Oh, one more - Since Ken spent 3X as much on the D3x, did he want it to win in order to justify his purchase to his wife?
Hmm...
Steve
? Anyhow, three problems- was the Canon lens focused right? Was the Canon lens actaully good or was it a bad copy (I know, that doesn't happen very often), did Nikon do a better job processing the jpegs?
Oh, one more - Since Ken spent 3X as much on the D3x, did he want it to win in order to justify his purchase to his wife?
Hmm...
Steve
Jan 08, 2009 at 04:58 PM
p.1 #10D3x better than 5DII
Steve Perry wrote:
Didn't Ken try to start a boycott of the D3x?
Anyhow, three problems- was the Canon lens focused right? Was the Canon lens actaully good or was it a bad copy (I know, that doesn't happen very often), did Nikon do a better job processing the jpegs?
Oh, one more - Since Ken spent 3X as much on the D3x, did he want it to win in order to justify his purchase to his wife?
Hmm...
Steve
There is a 4th problem, Ken R's reviews generally are worthless. Just my opinion.
Didn't Ken try to start a boycott of the D3x
? Anyhow, three problems- was the Canon lens focused right? Was the Canon lens actaully good or was it a bad copy (I know, that doesn't happen very often), did Nikon do a better job processing the jpegs?
Oh, one more - Since Ken spent 3X as much on the D3x, did he want it to win in order to justify his purchase to his wife?
Hmm...
Steve
There is a 4th problem, Ken R's reviews generally are worthless. Just my opinion.
Jan 08, 2009 at 05:27 PM
p.1 #11D3x better than 5DII
mauriceramirez wrote:
I like Ken's blog and think he tells it more like it is from a working pro perspective, and less from a pixel-peeper's.
This test result shows more the differences between equivalent Canon glass and Nikon glass, though.
-m
Laughable. I think KR's BS isn't even useful for those shooting their kids with consumer cameras and lenses.
I like Ken's blog and think he tells it more like it is from a working pro perspective, and less from a pixel-peeper's.
This test result shows more the differences between equivalent Canon glass and Nikon glass, though.
-m
Laughable. I think KR's BS isn't even useful for those shooting their kids with consumer cameras and lenses.
Jan 08, 2009 at 05:32 PM
p.1 #12D3x better than 5DII
mauriceramirez wrote:
I like Ken's blog and think he tells it more like it is from a working pro perspective, and less from a pixel-peeper's.
I didn't realize that winning a photo contest in your local newspaper made you a "working pro"...
I like Ken's blog and think he tells it more like it is from a working pro perspective, and less from a pixel-peeper's.
I didn't realize that winning a photo contest in your local newspaper made you a "working pro"...
Jan 08, 2009 at 05:35 PM
p.1 #13D3x better than 5DII
Daan B wrote:
Seriously, he is comparing JPEG's... He says he rather compares JPEG's because: "If I shot raw, we'd be comparing the variations in how any given piece of software processed images from different cameras instead of getting a clear view of what each camera actually does when processing an entire image to completion as a JPG."
I don't get it... JPEG's are processed by software as well... only in-camera (in his case)
Presumably, he deems the comparison "purer" when the processing is done by the actual cameras that are being compared, instead of throwing an external dependency into the mix. The differences in reverse engineered RAW processing algorithms for any given non-manufacturer supplied converter could theoretically favor one camera over the other.
That's just an assumption of course.
Many people shoot JPEG only so from KR's perspective, comparing output at that level could make sense.
Disclaimer: I'm completely neutral towards KR, neither endorsing nor condemning his articles. I did not read his review, just responding to your quoted statement above.
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Seriously, he is comparing JPEG's... He says he rather compares JPEG's because: "If I shot raw, we'd be comparing the variations in how any given piece of software processed images from different cameras instead of getting a clear view of what each camera actually does when processing an entire image to completion as a JPG."
I don't get it... JPEG's are processed by software as well... only in-camera (in his case)
Presumably, he deems the comparison "purer" when the processing is done by the actual cameras that are being compared, instead of throwing an external dependency into the mix. The differences in reverse engineered RAW processing algorithms for any given non-manufacturer supplied converter could theoretically favor one camera over the other.
That's just an assumption of course.
Many people shoot JPEG only so from KR's perspective, comparing output at that level could make sense.
Disclaimer: I'm completely neutral towards KR, neither endorsing nor condemning his articles. I did not read his review, just responding to your quoted statement above.
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Jan 08, 2009 at 05:45 PM
p.1 #14D3x better than 5DII
Oh boy here we go again. On one more subject Rockwell proves nothing. The Canon image looks out of focus to begin with, then the different lenses, and lastly Canon has proved time and time again on it's DSLR's that without significant tweeking of camera parameters it cannot produce a decent out of camera JPEG. Nikon on the other hand has the formula like it or not to give you quite printable images out of camera. Sad stuff. I think that the recent Luminous Landscape Sony/Nikon/Canon comparison was at least providing some pretty level headed insight.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/big-three.shtml
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/big-three.shtml
Jan 08, 2009 at 05:45 PM
p.1 #15D3x better than 5DII
mauriceramirez wrote:
I like Ken's blog and think he tells it more like it is from a working pro perspective, and less from a pixel-peeper's.
This test result shows more the differences between equivalent Canon glass and Nikon glass, though.
-m
He is not a pro and is most definitely the pixel peeper's pixel peeper.
James R wrote:
There is a 4th problem, Ken R's reviews generally are worthless. Just my opinion.
Just my opinion too.
I like Ken's blog and think he tells it more like it is from a working pro perspective, and less from a pixel-peeper's.
This test result shows more the differences between equivalent Canon glass and Nikon glass, though.
-m
He is not a pro and is most definitely the pixel peeper's pixel peeper.
James R wrote:
There is a 4th problem, Ken R's reviews generally are worthless. Just my opinion.
Just my opinion too.
Jan 08, 2009 at 05:47 PM
p.1 #16D3x better than 5DII
molson wrote:
I didn't realize that winning a photo contest in your local newspaper made you a "working pro"...
Well whatever. I don't know whether or not he won a newspaper photo contest but most working pros couldn't care less about res charts or megapixels. And I don't even like his photography but its his anti-gearhead and anti-forum photographer attitude that I find refreshing. Michael R is sorta the same way, just polite about it.
Its almost a cliche, but I've noticed that the forum conventions are the very opposite of those who are out there shooting every day. Whether or not KR is an actual working pro, he's sounds a lot more like the type. There's some condescension in a lot of what he writes, but theres truths in there. Everything from the silliness of the MP chase, simplifying our gear to get better photographs, the fallacies of digital, the beauty of some of the older film stuff, etc. Yes, he's cocky, but so are a lot of pros. Petteri Sulonen's biting diatribe on telephoto's being for cowards for instance, pisses off gearheads but most who strive to shoot people creatively see the truth in that.
Besides, for all the derision Ken gets over the years people still are quoting him. Its intriguing. There's even an anti-KR site. That's pretty good notoriety.
Don't get me wrong, he's pretty pedestrian in comparison to REAL photog bloggers like Chase Jarvis and Joe McNally, but KR's in the ballpark and an interesting guilty pleasure when I switch into gearhead mode and Strobist isn't doing it.
Look at those who jumped on the D3x hater bandwagon. At least Ken's honest enough to acknowledge (though in a somewhat veiled way) that his assumptions were wrong.
-m
mauriceramirez wrote
I like Ken's blog and think he tells it more like it is from a working pro perspective, and less from a pixel-peeper's.Well whatever. I don't know whether or not he won a newspaper photo contest but most working pros couldn't care less about res charts or megapixels. And I don't even like his photography but its his anti-gearhead and anti-forum photographer attitude that I find refreshing. Michael R is sorta the same way, just polite about it.
Its almost a cliche, but I've noticed that the forum conventions are the very opposite of those who are out there shooting every day. Whether or not KR is an actual working pro, he's sounds a lot more like the type. There's some condescension in a lot of what he writes, but theres truths in there. Everything from the silliness of the MP chase, simplifying our gear to get better photographs, the fallacies of digital, the beauty of some of the older film stuff, etc. Yes, he's cocky, but so are a lot of pros. Petteri Sulonen's biting diatribe on telephoto's being for cowards for instance, pisses off gearheads but most who strive to shoot people creatively see the truth in that.
Besides, for all the derision Ken gets over the years people still are quoting him. Its intriguing. There's even an anti-KR site. That's pretty good notoriety.
Don't get me wrong, he's pretty pedestrian in comparison to REAL photog bloggers like Chase Jarvis and Joe McNally, but KR's in the ballpark and an interesting guilty pleasure when I switch into gearhead mode and Strobist isn't doing it.
Look at those who jumped on the D3x hater bandwagon. At least Ken's honest enough to acknowledge (though in a somewhat veiled way) that his assumptions were wrong.
-m
Jan 08, 2009 at 06:23 PM
p.1 #17D3x better than 5DII
mauriceramirez wrote:
I didn't realize that winning a photo contest in your local newspaper made you a "working pro"... Well whatever. I don't know whether or not he won a newspaper photo contest but most working pros couldn't care less about res charts or megapixels. And I don't even like his photography but its his anti-gearhead and anti-forum photographer attitude that I find refreshing. Michael R is sorta the same way, just polite about it.
Its almost a cliche, but I've noticed that the forum conventions are the very opposite of those who are out there shooting every day. Whether or not KR is an actual working pro, he's sounds a lot more like the type. There's some condescension in...Show more →
Well said M.
Tuan
molson wrote
mauriceramirez wrote
I like Ken's blog and think he tells it more like it is from a working pro perspective, and less from a pixel-peeper's.Its almost a cliche, but I've noticed that the forum conventions are the very opposite of those who are out there shooting every day. Whether or not KR is an actual working pro, he's sounds a lot more like the type. There's some condescension in...Show more →
Well said M.
Tuan
Jan 08, 2009 at 06:32 PM
p.1 #19D3x better than 5DII
Nice to see someone else confirm it being the best image quality ever...etc. It would want to be for the money.
Looking forward to hear what FM users think.
Looking forward to hear what FM users think.
Jan 08, 2009 at 11:43 PM
p.1 #20D3x better than 5DII
I like how he can afford all the latest & greatest high-end kit and then has the nerve to beg for money to "support his growing family".
And yes, a month ago he most definitely blabbed on about how we should all boycott this Camera.
What a to$$er.
And yes, a month ago he most definitely blabbed on about how we should all boycott this Camera.
What a to$$er.
Jan 09, 2009 at 01:00 AM