PetKal wrote:
One FPS slower than 1DsMkIII. Not a big deal, I reckon.
However, it wouldn't surprise me if the 5DII surpasses 1DsMkIII in IQ and high ISO performance.
I think Canon had to assert their prosumer FF camera IQ superiority today......that's where the 5D II should shine......if in the process they have to run over their flagship camera, well, so be it.......I guess they figure the 1DsMk IV should fix any bad feelings about that.
Nothing wrong with the IQ and high ISO performance of the 1Ds3. At least not for my usage. I don't shoot past ISO 1600 anyway (but ISO 3200 is still very usable). The difference will be in the digic 3 vs 4 since it seems both cams use the same sensor. But even if it doesn't, I doubt the differences will be mind-blowing, if there are any. But we will see that when the 5D2 arrives in the stores, don't we?
Besides that, who needs mega high ISO performance in a landscape/studio cam anyway? It is not like the 5D2 is suitable for sports or wildlife shooting. And I hope the mediocre updated 40D AF will be accurate enough to get the most out of the 21MP's. If not, you just have a very big file with no more detail than a 10MP cam.
Canon choose to follow its old strategy... Put an awesome sensor in a crappy xxD body (regarding AF, FPS, weathersealing). Let's see where that is going to lead them with Nikon and Sony breathing in their necks
Lately I haven't done a lot of sample comparisons. But compared to what I'm used to from my 5D:
The sample images either show great in-camera noise reduction, or very low noise in shadows, or both. Also dynamic range seem to be really good, as far as i can tell especially from the landscape shot, with the highlights on the ice and the shadows on the mountains.
And there seems to be good detail in each pixel. But maybe some expert can shed more light on this...
Wow after reading through this forum and seeing everyone trash this camera it just makes me laugh. What the hell did you possibly want? A 1DsMark III with a $2700 price tag? I will be getting one of these.
Most notably the Canon 5D Mk. II sports both a new image sensor and image processor. The Canon EOS-5D Mk. II's still uses a full-frame CMOS sensor developed by Canon, but the resolution has jumped from 12.8 to 21.1 megapixels - the same as the Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III professional digital SLR. It's actually not the same sensor though, with improvements in a few areas.
As compared to the image sensor from the original Canon 5D, the pixel pitch in the 5D Mark II's imager has dropped from 8.2µm to 6.4µm - the same as that of the 1Ds Mark III's chip, and the hardware architecture is also identical to that of the pro camera. However, the Canon 5D II's chip sports new RGB color filters with an improved transmission rate. A couple of improvements from the Canon 50D's image sensor also make their way into the 5D Mark II's imager - an improvement in the per-pixel light sensitive area, and gapless microlenses. There's also been an improvement to the output amplifier, and Canon tells us that there are other unspecified improvements to the way the image is developed on-chip. These changes are all said to come together to mean a cleaner signal that requires less amplification....Show more →
Chrono1081 wrote:
Wow after reading through this forum and seeing everyone trash this camera it just makes me laugh. What the hell did you possibly want? A 1DsMark III with a $2700 price tag? I will be getting one of these.
well, something tells me that adding $20 worth of rubber gaskets would make lots of smiley faces. You could try to explain to me why canon chooses NOT to do this?
Daan B wrote:
Nothing wrong with the IQ and high ISO performance of the 1Ds3. At least not for my usage. I don't shoot past ISO 1600 anyway (but ISO 3200 is still very usable). The difference will be in the digic 3 vs 4 since both cams use the same sensor. I doubt the differences will be mind-blowing, if there are any. But we will see that when the 5D2 arrives in the stores, don't we?
Besides that, who needs mega high ISO performance in a landscape/studio cam anyway? It is not like the 5D2 is suitable for sports or wildlife shooting. And I hope the mediocre updated 40D AF will be accurate enough to get the most out of the 21MP's. If not, you just have a very big file with no more detail than a 10MP cam.
Canon choose to follow its old strategy... Put an awesome sensor in a crappy xxD body (regarding AF, FPS, weathersealing). Let's see where that is going to lead them with Nikon and Sony breathing in their necks
other sites are now claiming a new sensor, using gapless technology, better readouts, filters and other processes. If they are to be believed over RG, then the sensor should easily beat the 1DsMkIII's. Surely at least 1/2 stop better and I could easily imagine a full stop better (and this is at the RAW level before any DIGIC processing shenanigans)
let's just hope the 'minor modifications' to the AF are just canon being gun-shy about procaiming too much (teh layout is plenty fine for AI servo, for sports at least, if they imrpoved the algorithm a little and made it process faster maybe the old 5D sensor could pull it off). (although why they cant toss the old, old 1dmkii af system in any new cams is beyond me.)
shame couldnt get it to 5fps, which is really the minimum to be of much use beyond 1fps in soem ways.
ulrikft wrote:
well, something tells me that adding $20 worth of rubber gaskets would make lots of smiley faces. You could try to explain to me why canon chooses NOT to do this?
Looks like the gaskets are there (in red). Don't know how it compares to 1D / 50D though.
skibum5 wrote:
other sites are now claiming a new sensor, using gapless technology, better readouts, filters and other processes. If they are to be believed over RG, then the sensor should easily beat the 1DsMkIII's. Surely at least 1/2 stop better and I could easily imagine a full stop better (and this is at the RAW level before any DIGIC processing shenanigans)
let's just hope the 'minor modifications' to the AF are just canon being gun-shy about procaiming too much (teh layout is plenty fine for AI servo, for sports at least, if they imrpoved the algorithm a little and made it process faster maybe the old 5D sensor could pull it off). (although why they cant toss the old, old 1dmkii af system in any new cams is beyond me.)
shame couldnt get it to 5fps, which is really the minimum to be of much use beyond 1fps in soem ways.
Yeah, I already picked up upon the upgraded sensor thingy... If true, it still remains to be seen how much IQ is different from the 1Ds3. But as I already said, it is not just about IQ if you shoot anything else beside landscapes/studio work. If AF is not accurate enough, you won't be getting the most out of the 21MP + new sensor tech. And I still don't see the point of putting over the top high ISO's on a landscape/studio cam. Maybe for weddings, but who needs 21MP for weddings. Besides that, it seems the overall sluggishness of the 5D is still there (shutterlag/FPS). It doesn't read like a very responsive cam to me.
i've got nothing against putting a fab sensor in an xxd body (magnesium casing).
it puts the IQ of the 1DsIII in the enthusiast's hands. i know we'll be malcontented until canon offers us a 1DsIII for $2400, but canon has to give pros a reason to keep shelling out for the flagship models. build quality and top-shelf AF are the last bastions of a pro camera.
Image quality: most likely best out there, hands down. Good resolution at iso 100 (or 50), low iso noise up to iso6400 or something like that
build quality: Good and sturdy like the old 5d, the 20/30/40/50d I guess, but still under par compared to competition, it would cost canon §20 in rubber gaskets to sport a more functional camera for _many_ of us.
AF: hard to tell, if it is 9 cross type sensors, it might prove to be a more improved and better af then we think, if it is exactly the same as the old 5d, some might be very dissapointed. I'm used to 30d af and have no worries personally here, but I can understand some people.
Screen: looks like the same as the 50d, aka very great screen!
Movie mode: looks like good quality and good implementation, good!
Af micro adjust: yes! Good! feature many would like i suspect.
so, all in all: a very very good camera, hardly a revolution, but we were promised an evolution, and that it is
el_hoppy wrote:
Anyone noticed the graphic of the camera with LCD next to the direct print button?
It looks to me that it operates the live view function when not connected to a printer. I hope that is the case because I am bored with the direct print button moaners here and maybe this will shut them up.
That's a good call. You may be correct.
I'm also intrigued by the "AF on" button. Does that have something to do with AF and video, or is it a new still-pic function?
I think the specs need editing. They seem to have been hastily cobbled together from specs for the 50D (mention of EFs Lenses), the old 5D and 1DsMkIII. There are a few spelling mistakes. I gues they kept their own people in the dark until the last minute.
Canon USA, DP review and Imaging resource all state 9 cross type AF points and an imporved version of the 21MP sensor form the 1Ds MKIII. So we are gettign a better sensor than last year's $8,000 camera.
Its a home run, bit not everyone is happy. For an approximation of the cost of making a camera totaly weather proof, see the cost of underwater housings for SLR's. Or campare the cost of an old Nikonos with the regular Nikon. Big difference, like the difference between 1DMkII and 1DsMkIII. Want Weather proof, its going to cost more than a few bucks. Are Nikon and Sony weather proof? I will beleive it after someone has taken shots after tossing them in a bucket of water and then rolling them around in the the sand -- a Nikonos could take it -- it was the definition of weather proof. Everything else is weather resistent, until proven other wise (I don't know how the 1Ds MKIII compares).
People were bashing this camera before it came out and now that it is out it is being bashed more. Nikon and Sony could be abolute junk or they could be 5DII killers. How about waiting for reviews with RAW files done by competent reviewers, before trashing any camera.
I am just amazed. Canon have released a camera which, in their words, offers the best IQ and low noise they have ever produced.
I would have expected that the prospect of unprecedented IQ would have enthused FMers.
But no. Many members dismiss 5DII because it does not offer full weathersealing (only "improved"), unlike D700.
Many comments trash Canon for not offering more than 3.9 fps, and hold it as an example of the company castrating its new model in order not to hurt its more expensive flagship IDsMkIII. Castrating the new model in order not to the hurt the flagship, when 5DII offers better IQ and high ISO?
IMHO, if indeed 5DII offers unprecedented IQ, at that price point, it will be hugely sucessful for those of us who believe that this matters. And for the less savvy (read more susceptible to marketing blurb) buyers, Canon now offer dramatically higher pixel count than Nikon, who are going to have a huge uphill battle on their hands to explain that "more pixels are bad, not good".
I can see a 5DII coming my way. Unprecedented IQ! Makes the rest pale into insignificance. If it is true, of course. Boy, I can't wait to get one of those babies and kick the tires.......Show more →
Amazed, too. IQ was what I wanted. And high ISO with it. The 5D MK II seems to offer highest ISO at highest resolution at best available IQ at an absolute affordable price.
Daan B wrote:
Canon choose to follow its old strategy... Put an awesome sensor in a crappy xxD body (regarding AF, FPS, weathersealing).
And where is the problem with that?
They did that with the original 5D and it is still a fantastic camera even after being on the market 3 years. I think that there is scope for a camera to fit between the 5D and the 1Ds in the Canon range, but I think they made the right move to not alienate the existing 5D owners or the 5D wannabees.
The money is in the low price ranged cameras that move out the door by the truck load and the 5D II is still the "budget" FF camera. Had they built it to match the D700's FPS, AF & weathersealing then the release price would be closer to $4000 probably
Life is all about making decisions and dealing with trade-off. Some people will want the D700 features others will want the 5DII features at their current price levels, but how many will be willing to pay for both feature sets in the one camera... A lot less.
