Mel Gross wrote:
I don't know what the rush to be first is all about anyway. How is two or three months going to hurt anyone. Isn't what people have now serving the purpose?
Depends. Do you need a second body, and have a wedding to shoot in a month? If yes, then you could do with one asap.
There is a good reason for this impatience. Many folks here don't see a new camera as a new tool but as a new toy!
Mel Gross wrote:
Perhaps after this initial scare, the dealers will offer more discounts.
It may just be a matter of waiting it out.
I don't know what the rush to be first is all about anyway. How is two or three months going to hurt anyone. Isn't what people have now serving the purpose?
Mel Gross wrote:
I would hope that ALL pros would always have at least one extra body at all times.
I didn't realise you had to be a pro to post in the Canon gear section. (FWIW, my second body is in storage at the moment, where I can't get to it, and I'm shooting the wedding for a family member. I can borrow a 5D NP, but as I'm getting the new one, I'd like it before the shoot.)
bobbytan wrote:
There is a good reason for this impatience. Many folks here don't see a new camera as a new tool but as a new toy!
The toy aspect I understand. I'm not pro any longer, but still shoot.
But, waiting for a while, so that Canon can get any bugs worked out (if any) is really better for the pros who actually need the body for their work.
Remember the problems with the 1D mkIII for certain sports shooting?
Would you have wanted to have sold your old mkII (as some here have already said they did with their current cameras) and bought the new 1D mkIII, only to have found out that it was useless for what you needed it for? Wouldn't it have been better to have waited, while still shooting with what you knew was working well, until Canon fixed the problems, which took some time?
Sometimes it takes a month or two AFTER the camera is actually in the hands of the users before serious problems come to light.
miccullen wrote:
I didn't realise you had to be a pro to post in the Canon gear section. (FWIW, my second body is in storage at the moment, where I can't get to it, and I'm shooting the wedding for a family member. I can borrow a 5D NP, but as I'm getting the new one, I'd like it before the shoot.)
I was responding to YOUR assertion about needing a second body.
Mel Gross wrote:
I was responding to YOUR assertion about needing a second body.
I don't hear amateurs talking about "a shoot".
I guess you have now.
My point is that not everyone has the same rationalle as you, no matter how certain you are that yours is the best and only way, and that circumstances can catch people out, so that the way they are choosing or hoping to do things isn't the way you see as perfect.
My point is that not everyone has the same rationalle as you, no matter how certain you are that yours is the best and only way, and that circumstances can catch people out, so that the way they are choosing or hoping to do things isn't the way you see as perfect.
I've never said that my way is perfect. But I've been involved in technology for almost four decades, as a manufacturer, and as a someone with professional clients in the photo business. I see the way it usually works out.
Most pros are loth to get something new until they aren't busy, and can test it out first.
Besides, I was talking about pros. Amateurs are different. They don't shoot more than a fraction of the frames that pros do every day. Their needs are different in many ways.
While most pros are deliberate about most purchases, amateurs are less so, if they can afford it.
Most pros are loth to get something new until they aren't busy, and can test it out first.
To some extent, that depends. If a pro is suffering a particular bottleneck or problem right now, and a new product seems to fix it, he might spring earlier than later. But he won't sell the farm in the meantime.
That's my situation with the 5D Mk II. I'm keeping my Mamiya RZ cameras specifically for full length and group portraits, but I don't see a particular reason to wait until March or later before getting a 5D2. If I get my pre-order filled by early December, that's actually sliding into my slow period, a good time for testing new equipment. If I hadn't pre-ordered, it would probably take until March before I got it--when my work was beginning to heat up again.
Canon doesn't actually have a bad track record with camera bodies. It if has teething problems, I can wait them out--I'm not going to sell my 5D cameras--but most likely there won't be any.
RDKirk wrote:
To some extent, that depends. If a pro is suffering a particular bottleneck or problem right now, and a new product seems to fix it, he might spring earlier than later. But he won't sell the farm in the meantime.
That's my situation with the 5D Mk II. I'm keeping my Mamiya RZ cameras specifically for full length and group portraits, but I don't see a particular reason to wait until March or later before getting a 5D2. If I get my pre-order filled by early December, that's actually sliding into my slow period, a good time for testing new equipment. If I hadn't pre-ordered, it would probably take until March before I got it--when my work was beginning to heat up again.
Canon doesn't actually have a bad track record with camera bodies. It if has teething problems, I can wait them out--I'm not going to sell my 5D cameras--but most likely there won't be any....Show more →
Basically, you're saying what I'm saying. It isn't that there is never an instance when a working pro won't buy something new right away, but it's tempered with the thought that (s)he has the reliable equipment around that is used for the bread and butter work. This can be used for something special, or better yet, tested on a job as a backup for the regular equipment. Preferably when things are slow, so that a proper evaluation can be done, and if there's a problem, one doesn't have to switch into Emergency Mode.
stits wrote:
131 pages of with 123 are filler......ugh.
Okay, I'm not reading all this.
Thee questions:
Do we have a date yet?
Any one have an Early Release or Prototype as a their daily body yet?
Anyone just wanna go get a beer and stop posting in this thread?
-Stits
In terms of the date, it should be before the end of the month ... so that is just two and a half weeks max. If you ordered, you should contact your supplier for your exact position to understand if you are low enough on the pre-order list to be in the initial shipments.
bobbytan wrote:
Are we there yet? no
Are we there yet? No.
Are we there yet? NO!
Everytime I open my web galleries, I take a look first at this photo of a pre-prod model to assure myself that the 5d2 is real. This is easily my personal longest wait yet for the arrival of a new camera.
Okay I just called the Amazon 800 # (8002017575 for all who don't know about it) and was told the following:
First come first serve, she wouldn't give me # but said "you're so low on the list I have no doubt you'll ship in the first push" and that the system shows the 18th as the day they will start shipping out. She also said not to change the order in anyway (shipping, adding or removing items) as that has been known in the past to push people to the back of the queue.
stits wrote:
Okay I just called the Amazon 800 # (8002017575 for all who don't know about it) and was told the following:
First come first serve, she wouldn't give me # but said "you're so low on the list I have no doubt you'll ship in the first push" and that the system shows the 18th as the day they will start shipping out. She also said not to change the order in anyway (shipping, adding or removing items) as that has been known in the past to push people to the back of the queue.
