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Archive 2008 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

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p.9 #1 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Concerning Video,

I am totally ignorant about video so excuse a silly question. If the new 5D offers video how is that stored? On the camera card, or do you have to tether to a computer for instant storage? Would the video have sound and what format would it be saved in.

Thank you.

Aug 30, 2008 at 04:51 AM

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p.9 #2 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Adam L wrote:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimoconnell/2807888576/

Interesting

"Taken with a Canon EOS 6D"

(I guess, looking at the photo, that the WB is waay off on that model

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Aug 30, 2008 at 04:57 AM

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p.9 #3 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Quick google says it's just an EXIF edit

http://petebarrwatson.com/2008/08/29/eos-6d/

Aug 30, 2008 at 05:18 AM

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p.9 #4 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

interesting

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Aug 30, 2008 at 05:43 AM

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p.9 #5 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Hask wrote:
Quick google says it's just an EXIF edit

http://petebarrwatson.com/2008/08/29/eos-6d/

Hopes go up

. Hopes come down

Aug 30, 2008 at 05:54 AM

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p.9 #6 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

His other pictures say 5D ...

Aug 30, 2008 at 06:00 AM

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p.9 #7 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

gml1 wrote:
...and if Canon's 20mp can be as noise-free as the Nikon's 12mp, then yes, the 5DII could have 20mp. Not sure if that's possible, though - even with the new sensor tech.

Gotta keep knocking this myth on the head. Canon's 21 megapixel sensor available in December 2007 is 'as noise-free' as the D3 which was released a month later. See this thread: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/663088

The difference that the 50D, and probably 5D will make, is that you don't need to use exposure compensation to shoot ISO 12800, and you can get noise-reduced JPEGs out of the camera, like you can with a D3.

Judging by the ISO 12800 setting on the 50D, a 38 Mpixel sensor really is within Canon's reach. How far Canon decides to go down that route, we shall see, but the idea that Nikon took the lead in sensor tech with the D3 is a fallacy. It caught up with 2005, and used noise reduction to change the game. For a while.

Aug 30, 2008 at 06:09 AM

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p.9 #8 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

gml1 wrote:
So, if the Digic4 can indeed do 20mp @ 5fps and if Canon's 20mp can be as noise-free as the Nikon's 12mp, then yes, the 5DII could have 20mp.

Not sure if that's possible, though - even with the new sensor tech.

The implied 8 MP 1.6 crop image of a 20 MP FF sensor has about 1 stop less noise than the 15 MP 50D sensor (if I remember the noise math properly) and if the same sensor technology is used in both. So the 20 MP FF sensor should have 2 to 2.5 stops less noise than what 40D has. How much better is D3 compared to 40D?

Aug 30, 2008 at 06:11 AM

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p.9 #9 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Noise is not my concern. Preservation of detail on high ISO is much more important! Nikon once fooled everybody to believe they are less noise by applying software de-chroma algorithm. Now, Canon includes this feature, but they tell you it's your choice to use it or not. I still think 5D is a very good FF camera. It's affordable, less noise and with sufficient functions to take good pictures.

Edited on Aug 30, 2008 at 06:23 AM

Aug 30, 2008 at 06:19 AM

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p.9 #10 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

In the 1D segment the pro's won't care too much about a faster deprecation of a body, especially not if it did enhance productivity, saved them time and cost (workflow, postprocessing, file handling and communication) brings them in a better competive position (deadlines, art director demands, print requirements etc.). After all an extra 1000$ or two, maybe three, for the depreciation of a body is nothing compared to labor cost in the annual account. This cost preoccupation of the 1DsmkIII is a thing from those who call themself semi-pro because they have a wedding or two every other month and maybe...Show more →

Agree, but on the other hand, IF Canon replaced the Mk III's with an "IV" now, like in September, would that not be interpreted as an admission that the Mk III's are flawed beyond repair? It's not like there isn't a cloud over these cameras ... RG's recent "conclusions", comments from pro shooters at the olympics, etc? Any thread on the III's on any site quickly degenerates into an argument.

If so, rather than loose some depreciation, as you point out something that is reasonable and expected by pros, what would the value of a flawed camera be? Who would buy them? Isn't that resale value part of the upgrade process for many pros? Amateurs?

I may be way off here, but I see that as a potential PR blunder that could do long term damage. Sure, the big name pros and organizations will get deals to trade up. But all those small time pros, amateurs, "semi-pro's", hobby folks, and so forth collectively buy a lot of Canon gear. I would suggest that, collectively, these folks deliver more profit to Canon than the big name pros because they don't get deals to use Canon gear ... pay full price.

And what's the PR value of thousands of pretty new 1D III series cameras all over Ebay and Craig's List, etc going begging for buyers at any price?

Wouldn't it be wiser to hold off 6 months or so, do all you can to help the dark clouds over the III's blow over, then release the IV's? Now has got to be the worst time.

Edited by guardian on Aug 31, 2008 at 12:41 AM GMT

Edited by guardian on Aug 31, 2008 at 12:42 AM GMT

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Aug 30, 2008 at 06:26 AM

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p.9 #11 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

patriot wrote:
.......IF Canon replaced the Mk III's with an "IV" now, like in September, would that not be interpreted as an admission that the Mk III's are flawed beyond repair? It's not like there isn't a cloud over these cameras ... RG's recent "conclusions", comments from pro shooters at the olympics, etc? Any thread on the III's on any site quickly degenerates into an argument.

If so, rather than loose some depreciation, as you point out something that is reasonable and expected by pros, what would the value of a flawed camera be? Who would buy them? Isn't that resale value...Show more →

Canon won't release a new 1 series this year, and that's something I'm willing to place a wager upon.

They might announce something in December for next year's PMA, but that would be the soonest.

Many of us are, or can be, rational consumers, but the Mark III's are no longer a rational product or option for those that have a discretionary choice (key point). I was stunned by how good the IQ was from my first 1D3, but saddened that even though it was a blue dot, it wouldn't focus correctly on the side of a building. Extremely high contrast situations were fine, but it had to go away and wait for a replacement. Now the second one has gone away. I might buy a 3rd one, but I only need it for one sporting event (not a sports shooter) so I don't know if it makes sense...

Regardless of the bad press, the Mark III's are obsolete. Nikon put a nail in the the 1D3's coffin when they released the D3, and as of last week when Canon announced a 15MP 50d, that was the wake up call even for those that never pay attention. This is no surprise as all cameras are replaced, but Canon has to dump these sooner rather than later. The negative press.and the technology advancements such as Digic IV and assuming this new sensor is as good as Canon wants us to believe, absolutely doom the Mark III series.

As for this years PK, it's the year of amateur cameras, but PMA 2009 is what many of us have been waiting for and it's only 6 months away.

Edited on Aug 30, 2008 at 07:15 AM

Aug 30, 2008 at 07:13 AM

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p.9 #12 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

nikt wrote:
Well, the 5D replacement will definately have video. So all those people that complained about having it, I wonder if the attitude will change because Canon now do it.

Then we can look to how the Canon craps all over the D700 etc posts. And the video that Canon does is the best. God, I can't wait.

Gird your loins Nik..

Aug 30, 2008 at 07:16 AM

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p.9 #13 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

I think that people are counting Canon out, a little too soon. They just needed Nikon to light a fire under there A&&. Canon has been number �One� and they are not going to give up with out a fight. Japanese companies do not just lie down and cry!

I would not be surprised to see a 17-18 MP Full Frame, 16Bit, 5 FPS, build-in flash transmitter, Wi-Fi, GPS, AC adapter like 1 series, same focusing system as 50D with 1D focusing points, larger screen, with touch. Also all of the other goodies they put in the 50D. I also believe that Canon is going to announce a trade up program for the new 1D(S) Mark IV. I would also be looking for a 30�40 MP medium format camera. I think Canon shooter are in for some great Cameras over the next 12 months. Canon files the 2nd highest number of Patent Applications in the world, second only to IBM. I think we are getting ready to see what was contained in all those Patent Applications. They have the technology, but they gave us just enough to stay a half of a foot in front of Nikon. This is a great time for all Digital SLR owners and soon to be owners. Let the good times roll. These are just my thoughts, what are yours? CCC welcome!

Tony

Aug 30, 2008 at 07:20 AM

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p.9 #14 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

Canon won't release a new 1 series this year, and that's something I'm willing to place a wager upon. They might announce something in December for next year's PMA, but that would be the soonest.

This is what I think as well ... gives them some time to let the dust settle, perhaps keep quietly getting the bad III's out of the market. Skip the "n" altogether.

So far mine seems fine, but what I need is the best high ISO and dependable AF. I do use Al Servo maybe 25% of the time, but not like a sports shooter would. There are some shots I can't explain, but the funny thing is, if I didn't know about the "problem" with the III, I would attribute these to user error. Now any OOF or mis focused shot make me wonder if it's the camera vs me. Not disputing anyone who has a problem ... talking about my self and skill level only. I am not a pro or anything close, so for me user error is a much higher probability than for most others.

Depending on what we see in September, I might be tempted ... something tells me that a 2nd body ... more of a 3D that slots above the D700 and below the 1D Mk III may be a possibility later in the year. That would not be a sports body, but might attract many non-sports shooters buying the 1D III. That would be easier way to quietly kill the 1D III, and would be an easier upgrade for III users that want to sell. I suspect that when the IV is announced next year, resale on the III will plummet.

Edited by guardian on Aug 31, 2008 at 12:42 AM GMT

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Aug 30, 2008 at 07:55 AM

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p.9 #15 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

tonyakins wrote:
I think that people are counting Canon out, a little too soon. They just needed Nikon to light a fire under there A&&. Canon has been number �One� and they are not going to give up with out a fight. Japanese companies do not just lie down and cry!

I would not be surprised to see a 17-18 MP Full Frame, 16Bit, 5 FPS, build-in flash transmitter, Wi-Fi, GPS, AC adapter like 1 series, same focusing system as 50D with 1D focusing points, larger screen, with touch. Also all of the other goodies they put in the 50D. I also believe...Show more →

You forgot the video mode.

Edited on Aug 30, 2008 at 07:59 AM

Aug 30, 2008 at 07:59 AM

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tonyakins wrote:
...... I also believe that Canon is going to announce a trade up program for the new 1D(S) Mark IV......

Oh boy, we've got a live one here.

Canon has always offered a "trade up" program on every camera they've ever sold. They are willing to trade their camera (model of your choice) for the full retail price in the local currency. In the case of the 1Ds3, they'll trade you $8,000 USD for a new 1Ds4 (or whatever it's called) upon release.

There you have it; a perfect "trade up" program.

Aug 30, 2008 at 08:12 AM

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p.9 #17 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

JDSA wrote:
My own views against having video is that I think it is improperly mixing two medias. Video and still are two different things that show the world in two different ways. Why pay for and have stuff on a camera that you won't use. There are just more things to break.

One of the arguments of having a 5D rather than a version of the 1Ds, besides the obvious affordability one, is that if a photographer doesn't need all of the additional equipment on the 1Ds why have to lug it around? The same argument can be made for video, tilting...Show more →

I would love to have a tilting LCD on the back of the camera.

Aug 30, 2008 at 09:38 AM

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p.9 #18 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

jamesf99 wrote:
Oh boy, we've got a live one here.

Oh man!@!!! Why's you have to spoil this for me! I was planning on upgrading ... getting something like what I paid for my 1D MkIII! It's a good thing the camera seems to work fine ... guess I'll have to keep it.... wait, the 5D MkII is coming out in a few weeks, right? 21 mp, video, audio, pro grade body like the D700, basically a 1Ds IV in a small body ... for under 2 grand. Yeah, that's the ticket ...

Aug 30, 2008 at 12:34 PM

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Yeah ..... right!

patriot wrote:
.... wait, the 5D MkII is coming out in a few weeks, right? 21 mp, video, audio, pro grade body like the D700, basically a 1Ds IV in a small body ... for under 2 grand. Yeah, that's the ticket ...

Aug 30, 2008 at 12:43 PM

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p.9 #20 · Canon 5DII rumors thread

I'm getting a 1/160 with chinese slaves on my 5D's no problem, 1/200 shows the bar at the bottom. I don't shoot with strobes outdoors so it doesn't bother me but I can understand the limitations for others. Let's be frank, those who are using strobes outdoors for fill are the kind of pros using MF cameras as a 1/250 ain't going to impress them either!

Aug 30, 2008 at 02:51 PM

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