@ aero145:
Yes, David. I know. But my screen name is my real one. And its the same in all forums all over the world. Do you remember to any discussion I did not share your opinion? Could this be the cause, why you do not like me?
That really makes me feel uncomfortable. In real life I am a really nice guy.
Marcus Watts wrote:
They were caught off guard but the late late late relase of the 5d upgrade suggest that Canon went back to the drawing board.
And now for da release of da secret weapon.
Expect Nikon to go weak at the knees and those who swaped over to d700's to weep openly in the streets
You think they really went back? It might be possible. 3 years without a successor is a long time. Whatever comes "The EOS story continues" promises a lot that has to be fullfilled ...
But I do not expect those who swaped will weep openly in the streets. They will fight for their product with "fantastic features". And cry behind their closed doors of their restrooms, I guess.
Mark Shaxted wrote: Keeping it on topic, that would be an EF 'Mount'
If I understood your comment right, I should really think about swaping to Nikon, too.
But topic here should NOT be my partners body, Mark.
To bring it back to more generally things:
"The EOS story continues ..." imo can not mean just a follow up. Customers would laugh about that. I still think they might change "evolution" to "revolution" at the end.
They want to repeat, what they did 3 years ago: set a new standard. Fantastic IQ imo would not be enough to reach that high goal. Implemented video was done with the D90 announcement. If that was, what they mentioned to be new with any company and advertising agency would have changed this slogan, I guess.
I think something much more is coming. So I am with you Marcus (Watts). I marked your lines.
Edited by Ralph Conway on Sep 09, 2008 at 12:33 PM GMT
Geoff Costello wrote:
...Evolution of the 5D that was always Destined to continue the low noise FF revolution started by the 5D and take it to a new, class leading level with its revolutionary sensor simultaneosly nealy doubling pixels while improving high ISO noise in the order of one to two stops depending on ISO setting. Marketing speak I know... (wait till you see the low low shadow noise at lower ISOs and the stupidly clean 6400)....
Edited by Geoff Costello on Sep 09, 2008 at 05:27 PM GMT
If the AF is no different from the 50D, it cannot be considered a major upgrade. This is especially important when one considers the next update will not happen in the next 2 years. The Nikon D700 may only have 12 MP but at least it has a 51 pt AF sensor. In the same vein, I will not consider the 50D as having one up against the D300 or D90.
Gert-Jan Maas wrote:
What has the number of AF points have to do with the accuracy of the AF system?
The new 5D won't be a sports camera so AI-Servo performance should not be on top of the list.
You are absolutely right.
However, if the 50D and 5D replacement are going to behave like the 40D AF for static objects, it's essentially a no-go:
"However, there have been quite a few situations where the Canon 40D kept on seeking when the 20D just quickly found and locked focus, specifically when the 40D was in Multi-point AF mode. I've found a few situations where the Canon 40D just seeks and seeks, and never stops. Most cameras give up after a few seconds. This is the first autofocus SLR of any make that I've seen do this. You can turn Focus Seek off in the Custom Function menu, but that still doesn't stop the endless seeking. Oddly, this occurs more for me in vertical mode.
In horizontal mode, Dave had a heck of a time getting the Canon 40D's top center AF point to focus on Marti's hair during the indoor shots. Hair isn't the best place to focus, of course, but it works well enough when we do it with other cameras. In Dave's case, the camera said it was in focus, but it was either front- or back-focusing." - taken from Imaging Resource And mind you, ALL the 40D AF sensors are crossed.
I have not experienced any autofocus issues with my 40D in one shot mode - focus is positive and accurate every time. In servo mode, it is a different story where my 5D is actually better. The new camera will undoubtably be better and it does not necessarily need 51pt autofocus to compete.
thw2 wrote:
However, if the 50D and 5D replacement are going to behave like the 40D AF for static objects, it's essentially a no-go:
"However, there have been quite a few situations where the Canon 40D kept on seeking when the 20D just quickly found and locked focus, specifically when the 40D was in Multi-point AF mode. I've found a few situations where the Canon 40D just seeks and seeks, and never stops. Most cameras give up after a few seconds. This is the first autofocus SLR of any make that I've seen do this. You can turn Focus Seek off in the Custom Function menu, but that still doesn't stop the endless seeking. Oddly, this occurs more for me in vertical mode.
In horizontal mode, Dave had a heck of a time getting the Canon 40D's top center AF point to focus on Marti's hair during the indoor shots. Hair isn't the best place to focus, of course, but it works well enough when we do it with other cameras. In Dave's case, the camera said it was in focus, but it was either front- or back-focusing." - taken from Imaging Resource And mind you, ALL the 40D AF sensors are crossed. ...Show more →
I never had this problem with my 30D, except in really low light cases (using 4.0 lenses at Iso 1600 and with < 1/20th) with no contrast points. Of course I give the priority to the center point always. How should any camera decide which point is mentioned if all points are used?
I had a couple of shootings with a friends 40D. Its better with lower contrast and much faster. I think your camera or the mentioned one is not working how it should.
I tried AL- servo with 4 EOS bodies (no 1D yet) I used over years. The results never convinced me. But I did not need it and so I did not try to find out what was wrong. Other photographers have great results even in fast moving sports (with 5/20/30/40D). Maybe the problem is me?
I had 4 shootings with 5D and was absolutly happy with its AF. So if it just snaps the target in higher ISO situations than given with 5D now (because of AL shooting) I guess I will be happy with this. If even better ... fine!
aero145 wrote:
I don’t not like you, just foolin’ ’round with ya!
Have AEROfun!
-D
Oh no! Please not another of this annoying ~fun things!
I am here to get trustfull information! I heard, the new camera will have added an "R" to its name (maybe for "revolutionary"). So we might get some EROSfun soon?
thw2 wrote:
However, if the 50D and 5D replacement are going to behave like the 40D AF for static objects, it's essentially a no-go:
This is strange. The static AF problem you mentioned is vastly at odds with my experience with the 40D. I find it focuses quickly and reliably, as has been the hallmark of all the xx/xxD bodies for the last 10+ years.
When it comes to moving subjects, the 40D is a little slower to acquire AF than the 1 series, and a little easier to lose tracking as well, but not by a whole lot. In fact, one of my most pleasant surprises with this camera has been how little it gives up in AF performance to the 1-series. And I use it virtually exclusively for wildlife, in low-light and foliage.
I can probably count on the fingers of 1 hand how many times I've missed out a shot b/c the AF of the 40D was lacking compared to the AF of the 1-series.
globalkiwi wrote:
Wow, overnight this thread descended to new depths of silliness. I guess I'll just wait until the end of the week for some news I can use!
Think many of us (including me) became bored of waiting ...
brainiac wrote:
Red eye is fixable. Broad shadows aren't.
In my experience (and most strobist's :P ) the effect you get from an off camera flash is far more pleasing than the flatness you get from on-cmaera-flash that is way too close both in andgle and distance to the lens. I can appreciate that you obviously like this look and that you have a "i get a quick documentary photo that not necessarily is art, and some customers want that"-attitude. But please, do not try to belittle and make fun of those that actually strive to get more pleasing results.
Ralph Conway wrote:
Think many of us (including me) became bored of waiting ...
Well it's probably 2 more weeks until the 5D replacement is officially unveiled, so until then let this thread die a fast death as it descended into an abyss from which there is no escape.
Ralph Conway wrote:
Think many of us (including me) became bored of waiting ...
Reading in the clear light of morning (here in Rio) I wondered if maybe the European contingent had been passing the time by drinking! Nothing seems to deter the flash discussion though ...
Keeping it on topic, that would be an EF 'Mount' 
