Flav wrote:
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Did you watch a calendar lately? it's 2008! I am 60% sure Canon will release a 1D mk III N, but by no means will there be a mk IV.
AND NO, THEY WILL NOT HAVE THAT MANY MEGAPIXELS! (mkIII N might have 15mp, but 24 and 30 mpixels don't justify themselves unless you use Schneider, Sinar, Leica, best Zeiss (i mean top quality limited edition red T *, not usual zeiss) lenses... which very very few people do).
I strongly doubt Canon will release a 1D3N. Although there has been only one instance of this happening in the 1D series, look at the 1D2 and N. The N was a body revision, not a sensor revision.
Flav wrote:
5D mkII will have 18, definetly not over 20! if it has over 20 mpixels and 5 fps then there's no reason to buy the 1Ds apart from the very robust body and design.
Although this is a rumour thread, no one can say that in such a sure way. Perhaps the 1Ds3 sensor was always destined for the 5D replacement and Canon are working on a new high MP sensor for the 1Ds3 replacement, who knows!
Flav, I use Canon, Zeiss, Olympus, Minolta and Leica lenses on 5D and 1Ds3 to shoot all kinds of event including weddings. AF is not essential; viewfinder focussing works well. Liveview is also great for really accurate manual focussing at f1.2. All West German Zeiss lenses have the T* coating, and some of the cheapest are some of the best. Canon makes exceptionally good telephotos which are as good as or better than anything else available. For instance, in terms of image quality I prefer the 200 f1.8 L to Leica's 180 f2. The 85's, 135L, 200 f2.8L, 300 f2.8, and longer tele's all speak for themselves. Many of these lenses resolve more than enough detail to satisfy a 21 megapixel sensor. Gapless micro-lenses mean there is practically no penalty due to higher pixel densities, so 38 megapixel seems to me to be quite feasible. Nikon's 14-24 might be very revealing on such a sensor. In short, I dispute almost everything you say, based on my experience.
Me! :-)
Canon will open that 5d segment to 2 cams to choose!
And of course there will be a change in 1Ds next spring, too.
10MP is overcome and Canon will set a new FF highres standard next to that. I just talked to a friend in the sales business who mentioned the AF-problems seem to be fixed now at least. But the image loose of that high end stuff is not reparable.
50D = 15MP
5D IIs => will get 18 MP/21MP
1D MK IV will get 15 MP
and 1Ds MK IV will have double again
Launching a mk IV would be very costly for Canon and it will be like a slap in the face for whoever payed 8000$ for a 1Ds mkIII this or last year. 1Ds prices would drop like a stone. Beni wrote:
Why is it these Romanians (Gabimaster, Flav) are so insistent that we listen and accept their point of view just because they say it insistently and shout? Is it a national thing?
Dunno.. maybe.. sorry for being so insistent. Though the speculations i replied to were absurd imho.
This is a debate, because we can only speculate, why not try to be more accurate?
It seems highly unlikely that the 5D successor has 24 mpixels, but i won't mind if it does, but also i wouldn't like to pay 500$ extra because it has so many megapixels which i don't need...
Flav wrote:
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Please stop this madness! 1Ds mkIII and 1D mkIII JUST CAME OUT! There's a cycle of 2-3 years in which canon refined it's professional models!
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Did you watch a calendar lately? it's 2008! I am 60% sure Canon will release a 1D mk III N, but by no means will there be a mk IV.
AND NO, THEY WILL NOT HAVE THAT MANY MEGAPIXELS! (mkIII N might have 15mp, but 24 and 30 mpixels don't justify themselves unless you use Schneider, Sinar, Leica, best Zeiss (i mean top quality limited edition red T *, not usual zeiss) lenses... which very very few people do).
5D mkII will have 18, definetly not over 20! if it has over 20 mpixels and 5 fps then there's no reason to buy the 1Ds apart from the very robust body and design.
Although it better have 5 fps, cause i won't buy it with 3......Show more →
I think you're going to be chagrined to discover the 1 series gets trashed in the next 6 months (by PMA - Feb 2009), and I for one say good riddance. Those cameras can't go away soon enough and I'll help throw them out. Apologies to all the 1Ds owners, I know you enjoy your camera(s),but after my 1d3 issues I just couldn't make myself spend the 1ds money even if I can write it off.
The longer Canon persists with these models (the 1D/1Ds Mark III's) the longer they have to deal with doubts and negative publicity. I'll be back on the 1 series band wagon as soon as Canon produces something worth buying. I hope/think that's by PMA, but in the meantime, if the new Gizmodo 5d2 "rumor" is true, I'll buy a couple while I wait for a new 1D/1Ds.
I expected a FF sensor in a 50d body and I wasn't impressed, but if they've broken that mold and will be making a complete (or nearly complete) professional level camera in a 5d sized body, I'll support Canon's decisions with my dollars. The 19 point looks like the only weak spot, but if it has 5 FPS, only one CF slot, a 100% VF, I'm on board. I'll be praising Canon if they can do that. If they don't, I won't be buying......
Edited by jamesf99 on Aug 29, 2008 at 07:30 AM GMT
Alistair Watson wrote:
I strongly doubt Canon will release a 1D3N. Although there has been only one instance of this happening in the 1D series, look at the 1D2 and N. The N was a body revision, not a sensor revision.
Not disagreeing with you (see my previous post), but just so everyone knows Canon's use of the "n" upgrade designation is old and has precedence (over 25 years). It's not a new "digital" age thing.
Dunno.. maybe.. sorry for being so insistent. Though the speculations i replied to were absurd imho.
This is a debate, because we can only speculate, why not try to be more accurate?
Because speculation is by definition inaccurate, you are claiming that your thoughts are more accurate than everyones elses without any backup to your claim. There never was a XXD replacement in as little time as the 50D, there never was problems like with the mkIII series, there never was a sony 25 megapixel camera to compete with. Canon for the first time is reacting not just having others react and that means that you can't compare to the past, the 50D is a great example. I don't know what will happen but I do know that Canon is going to have to play catchup for a couple of years and this might mean that they scrap a years worth of new models in updates just to get back ahead. Will it happen? No idea, but then neither has anyone else, it's as possible as anything else.
jamesf99 wrote:
Not disagreeing with you (see my previous post), but just so everyone knows Canon's use of the "n" upgrade designation is old and has precedence (over 25 years). It's not a new "digital" age thing.
jamesf99 wrote:
Not disagreeing with you (see my previous post), but just so everyone knows Canon's use of the "n" upgrade designation is old and has precedence (over 25 years). It's not a new "digital" age thing.
I know.
Just saying that I think a 1D3 N is very unlikely. In my humble opinion this is the most unlikely of a long list of unlikely things.
Flav wrote:
Launching a mk IV would be very costly for Canon and it will be like a slap in the face for whoever payed 8000$ for a 1Ds mkIII this or last year. 1Ds prices would drop like a stone.
Dunno.. maybe.. sorry for being so insistent. Though the speculations i replied to were absurd imho.
This is a debate, because we can only speculate, why not try to be more accurate?
It seems highly unlikely that the 5D successor has 24 mpixels, but i won't mind if it does, but also i wouldn't like to pay 500$ extra because it has so many megapixels which i don't need......Show more →
Flav,
We're speculating, right? So let's speculate and assume just for fun. We don't know if Canon's sensor technology is any good (or at least I don't know and from what I've seen so far it looks just OK) but if Canon has produced a sensor that changes the market, does it matter how many MP it has if the IQ is there?
Personally, I've thought that the 1Ds2 (16.7MP) resolution was enough, but if they can produce a new 20, 24, or even 38MP camera with the IQ we all want, I'll buy it. Anyone, at least here in the US, can buy 1TB hard drives for $150 or less these days. I'd gladly buy another drive or two to get superior IQ.
Flav wrote:
Please stop this madness! 1Ds mkIII and 1D mkIII JUST CAME OUT! There's a cycle of 2-3 years in which canon refined it's professional models!
Model Announced (and released)
EOS-1D Sep 2001
EOS-1Ds Sep 2002
EOS-1D Mark II Jan 2004
EOS-1Ds Mark II Sep 2004
EOS-1D Mark II N Aug 2005
EOS-1D Mark III Feb 2007
EOS-1Ds Mark III Aug 2007
Did you watch a calendar lately? it's 2008! I am 60% sure Canon will release a 1D mk III N, but by no means will there be a mk IV.
AND NO, THEY WILL NOT HAVE THAT MANY MEGAPIXELS! (mkIII N might have 15mp, but 24 and 30 mpixels don't justify themselves unless you use Schneider, Sinar, Leica, best Zeiss (i mean top quality limited edition red T *, not usual zeiss) lenses... which very very few people do).
5D mkII will have 18, definetly not over 20! if it has over 20 mpixels and 5 fps then there's no reason to buy the 1Ds apart from the very robust body and design.
Although it better have 5 fps, cause i won't buy it with 3......Show more →
Please stop this madness? didn't you read the line "pure speculation on my part".
What test show that 30 megapixel is beyond canon's resolving power and where is the cut off point between 24 megapixels and 30? How do you think Hassleblad are going with 50 megapixels?
All things being equal you could be correct in thinking the 1d and the 1ds won't be upgraded soon but things are not equal. Nikon has gained significant ground this past few month. Thus a 50d announced less than a year after the 40d was released.
As i say, speculation but not out of the question, especially if digic4 is a significant improvement also.
Flav wrote:
Launching a mk IV would be very costly for Canon and it will be like a slap in the face for whoever payed 8000$ for a 1Ds mkIII this or last year. 1Ds prices would drop like a stone.
Yes. But I guess Canon will do all 1D/1Ds users a special offer to exchange their old stuff
Flav wrote:
Launching a mk IV would be very costly for Canon and it will be like a slap in the face for whoever payed 8000$ for a 1Ds mkIII this or last year. 1Ds prices would drop like a stone.
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Yes Canon would care about those who paid $8000 last year even if it meant losing some market share.
jamesf99 wrote:
Just an aside, I changed my avatar to something more appropriate for these "gear head" threads.
Do you see the resemblance?
Also, I think Ralph has had too much "coffee powder" this morning. I'm not really sure what the heck coffee powder is, but it must be strong.
Perhaps "coca powder" gets garbled in translation ?
BTW, I like your new geared (sic)head avatar, James.
We love our gears (sic) and we ain't ashamed of it.
Flav wrote:
Launching a mk IV would be very costly for Canon and it will be like a slap in the face for whoever payed 8000$ for a 1Ds mkIII this or last year. 1Ds prices would drop like a stone.
No - the slap in the face was paying the $11000 in the first place. I should know: I did it. And I did it with the full expectation that the used value of the camera would be shockingly less whenever I came to sell it. It is a business expense, like buying computer systems. You write off the whole cost in your mind before you do it. My 1Ds3 will not stop doing the excellent job it does just because some better camera emerges. Then it's up to me whether to upgrade, again, in full knowledge of the likely cost of doing so. Digital camera bodies are not an investment, they are a consumable. I want to see Canon blow my 1Ds3 out of the water. I will sell it, move on, and thank Canon for pushing the pace of improvement.
Flav wrote:
Launching a mk IV would be very costly for Canon and it will be like a slap in the face for whoever payed 8000$ for a 1Ds mkIII this or last year. 1Ds prices would drop like a stone.
You mean like the current 40D owners with the new 50D coming out in only one year.
In the 1D segment the pro's won't care too much about a faster deprecation of a body, especially not if it did enhance productivity, saved them time and cost (workflow, postprocessing, file handling and communication) brings them in a better competive position (deadlines, art director demands, print requirements etc.). After all an extra 1000$ or two, maybe three, for the depreciation of a body is nothing compared to labor cost in the annual account. This cost preoccupation of the 1DsmkIII is a thing from those who call themself semi-pro because they have a wedding or two every other month and maybe some event that brings them the money to buy the next nice lens or gadget Or just the avid amateur who bought this ultimate hobby instrument. I know I know it's not EOSfun to write off on these cameras, but it's not the end of the world if it happens. But then again, seriously who believes Canon will be able to replace or introduce their whole DSLR camera line in 2008? The 450D in january, the 1000D in june, the 50D in september, a 5D successor and the 1Dmk and 1Dsmk next generation? High expectations, low satisfaction. Some of you are gonna be disappointed and have no EOSfun...
