Adam L wrote:
Extrapolating the 1D III sensor (the 5D used the wafer that the 1D II was built from), gives you approximately 16.3mp.
Funnily enough, the 1Ds II has the same size pixels as the 1D III, so the 5D II and 1Ds II should be fairly similar in resolution, if Canon go down this route.
The only difference (16.3mp vs 16.7mp) is down to the sensor size. The 5D has a 35.8mm sensor, and the 1Ds II has a 36mm sensor.
A Full Frame camera based off the 1D III? Yes please. The 1D III IMO has the best IQ of any Canon or Nikon camera (disregarding Fuji's awesome stuff here). Definitely better than the 1Ds, which has too many pixels IMO and IQ suffers for it....Show more →
I think that Canon probably thought they would do a 16mp 5DII. But I can now see them going up to 18mp. Since they have this new gapless sensor design I'm not sure if they can save any money by reusing "parts" from the 1DsII.
18mp seems to be more aggressive, more competitive without stepping on the 1DsIII buyers. A balance between what they would ideally like to do and competitive realities.
Whatever the mp, the qualitative change is the more important change. Based on the 50D I think we will a significantly improved sensor.
If there are two cameras in the 5D range, I doubt a second one would be announced at photokina. Canon would typically announce the more expensive camera first. Announcing two could make the lesser camera seem light on features, and the better camera seem expensive.
I predict the 5D replacement availability will be announced for October availability. The 5D was announced for October, with the first units arriving the last week of Sept. In other words, the 5DII will ship before the 50D.
Will the sony 24 megapixel be in the 1ds series or the 5d price range?
If within the 5D price range i have to imagine that will influence Canon. For certain it will influence the buying market.
Although all i want is a few simple things, better autofocus, a few extra pixels the end product will try tp please the maximum number of that cameras specific market.
Marcus Watts wrote:
Will the sony 24 megapixel be in the 1ds series or the 5d price range?
If within the 5D price range i have to imagine that will influence Canon. For certain it will influence the buying market.
Although all i want is a few simple things, better autofocus, a few extra pixels the end product will try tp please the maximum number of that cameras specific market.
I only know the Alphas from reviews, but they are apparently not up to the standard of Nikon and Canon. From the Alpha 350 review on dpreview: "Image quality suffers above ISO 400".
So it would seem it can't be high-end. It will probabl be targeted at pixel counter in the middle. Canon and Nikon may be able to essentially ignore the Alphas until Sony gains more market share.
When it comes to releasing a "neutered" 5DII in order to "protect" the I series, Canon is no longer in a competition-free environment. If they don't let 5DII "eat" into I series sales, then Nikon, and maybe Sony will do it for them. So, if Canon are realists, they will opt to do it themselves rather than give up market share in order to protect something that is not going to be theirs anyhow.
philber wrote:
When it comes to releasing a "neutered" 5DII in order to "protect" the I series, Canon is no longer in a competition-free environment. If they don't let 5DII "eat" into I series sales, then Nikon, and maybe Sony will do it for them. So, if Canon are realists, they will opt to do it themselves rather than give up market share in order to protect something that is not going to be theirs anyhow.
Very true. Canon have had a good ride thus far but now is the time when the gap from a pixel count point of view is being closed.
If Nikon are going for feature rich bodies as well as pixels then the high price of the 1ds will soon be a thing of the past.
philber wrote:
When it comes to releasing a "neutered" 5DII in order to "protect" the I series, Canon is no longer in a competition-free environment. If they don't let 5DII "eat" into I series sales, then Nikon, and maybe Sony will do it for them. So, if Canon are realists, they will opt to do it themselves rather than give up market share in order to protect something that is not going to be theirs anyhow.
A very astute observation. I also think this will drive Canon to release new 1-series features to help discriminate between the product levels.
Yes, that is my guess as well. 50D sensor technology applied to FF means that they definitely have technology which is commercially ready to hike 1D resolution dramatically. Now, to do this, they also need a parallel increase in computing power, but it seems that Digic IV is exactly that, compared to Digic III. So it is not unreasonable to expect a migration path (upgrade, or trade-up path) from 1DIII to 1DIV
philber wrote:
Yes, that is my guess as well. 50D sensor technology applied to FF means that they definitely have technology which is commercially ready to hike 1D resolution dramatically. Now, to do this, they also need a parallel increase in computing power, but it seems that Digic IV is exactly that, compared to Digic III. So it is not unreasonable to expect a migration path (upgrade, or trade-up path) from 1DIII to 1DIV
I would be surprised if we didn't see a 1d4 by easter. It's not just that Nikon have produced great cameras but that they have made low noise such a big part of the game and it has proven a strong sales tool for them. An area where they lagged behind for so long too.
Marcus Watts wrote:
I would be surprised if we didn't see a 1d4 by easter. It's not just that Nikon have produced great cameras but that they have made low noise such a big part of the game and it has proven a strong sales tool for them. An area where they lagged behind for so long too.
So much has happened in jus tone year.
I confirm. Except one point. Nikon did not make low noise a big part. They just released "lower" noise and encreased ISO. There always was a market for that. Ever tried to do a portrait in an irish pup with candel lighting?
I Did 12 years ago with T-max 3200 pushed to 6400. I got one shot out of 20 freehand.
And the print was amazing, but a pain for a portrait. So having 3200 as custom ISO with the low noise of D50 at 1600 is a great success. Using a flash in a pup is athmosphere termination. Lighting it well does not give you any flexibility.
Thats what we get now! Great times for us girls and guys.
Don't know how reliable this is, but it sounds reasonable.
From the Photography Bay web site rumor page:
The Canon 5D Mark II is rumored to include the following specs:
* 21.1 MP 1.0x
* DIGIC IV
* ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
* 5 FPS
* 3.2″ High Resolution Screen (LCD)
* 19 point AF
* HDMI Out
* Liveview
* HD Movie Mode
* Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
* Full weather sealing
* EF Lenses only
GregM5 wrote:
Don't know how reliable this is, but it sounds reasonable.
From the Photography Bay web site rumor page:
The Canon 5D Mark II is rumored to include the following specs:
* 21.1 MP 1.0x
* DIGIC IV
* ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
* 5 FPS
* 3.2″ High Resolution Screen (LCD)
* 19 point AF
* HDMI Out
* Liveview
* HD Movie Mode
* Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
* Full weather sealing
* EF Lenses only
GregM5 wrote:
Don't know how reliable this is, but it sounds reasonable.
From the Photography Bay web site rumor page:
The Canon 5D Mark II is rumored to include the following specs:
* 21.1 MP 1.0x
* DIGIC IV
* ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
* 5 FPS
* 3.2″ High Resolution Screen (LCD)
* 19 point AF
* HDMI Out
* Liveview
* HD Movie Mode
* Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
* Full weather sealing
* EF Lenses only
I saw this on the Spanish site others are referencing. If true this would be a killer camera. As long as it focuses correctly.
They will not eliminate the anti-alasing filter "function." Canon will remove the optical anti-aliasing filter and execute anti-aliasing in DIGIC software algorithms where there can be a smarter allocation of color values than the blurring achieved by an optical filter.
This is scheduled to occur with the DIGIC V, currently in development.
The engineering theory to do such AA filtering in software s well known. Canon just needs to develop their DIGIC processor to the point where it is fast enough to do this filtering function in real time. It will be significantly better than the rough blurring we get with current optical AA filters.
JimR
Edited by JimboCin on Sep 01, 2008 at 05:49 PM GMT
jerrykur wrote:
I saw this on the Spanish site others are referencing. If true this would be a killer camera. As long as it focuses correctly.
Can't open this site ... wonder if the source is the same old rumors that have been all over the place? Does not sound like an entry level FF, which is of course what the 5D is ... a FF 20D. Wonder if this is another body?
