If he had any sense he'd throw more and run less. Nothing like a destroyed knee to snuff out a multi-million dollar NFL contract, which we all know is coming. I'll be suprised if he makes it thru his senior year w/o signing. By the way, do you believe this from Wickpedia
"Before the 2007 season had even come to a close, Florida coach Urban Meyer stated that he would likely use 2 quarterbacks during the 2008 season to take some of the workload off of Tebow's shoulders."
32067dlm wrote:
So what. The fact is, they did, and they put Canon in a corner. Let's watch and see if they can fight their way out. It's funny, Canon actually stumbled and caused half of their injuries, and now their vision is out of focus.
Nogo!
Nikon needed more than half a decade to get by with now 3 year old technologie in their only two acceptable cameras. The fact is, they did late, while the old leader is in his grandages. Canon does not stamble anything, I think.
The AF-Desaster is housemade. And awfull. But there was no better AF before. Just lets see, how products establish. Itīs silly to say: "Hey, they now got the standard (and they even did not in resolution) - Canon is dying.
To say it: This is my opinion! But because of the first to products Nikon created that can compete in IQ with an 3 year old system from Canon, still not having the lenses that are a must if doing pictures ... where is the stumble?
D1 AF?
D1 is not the market. Its the "pro" addon. Money is done somewhere else. And Nikon had no comparabel products (to D1) before they offered D3. What ranges still beneath D1s MK II. A year old again. That is why they copied their own product to a D700 - semipro-pro. They do not have anything else, that could compete.
While this week seems to be Nikon's, who have released their D700 before Canon their 5DII or 7D or 50D or whatever, any fair assessment must conclude that Canon has triumphed in not having a competitor (its only true competitor over the period, actually) release a competitive product to its 5D until 5D was already out of production due to imminent replacement. Or is it that Nikon failed to compete effectively in that market segment for 3 years? Either way, kudos to Canon for winning the last battle. Let's see about the next one..
philber wrote:
While this week seems to be Nikon's, who have released their D700 before Canon their 5DII or 7D or 50D or whatever, any fair assessment must conclude that Canon has triumphed in not having a competitor (its only true competitor over the period, actually) release a competitive product to its 5D until 5D was already out of production due to imminent replacement. Or is it that Nikon failed to compete effectively in that market segment for 3 years? Either way, kudos to Canon for winning the last battle. Let's see about the next one..
Canon has enjoyed a competitive advantage by making their own sensors, and they've also benefited from having an amazing line up of entry level cameras- which eventually translate into high end camera sales. Their lens system is also spectacular, which is why many people switched to Canon from other brands.
Canon has had the 5D for 3 years now, and nothing has even come close to competing at that price range and image quality, until the D700 showed up. Either Canon was slow to make a replacement, or just purposefully delayed releasing a newer 5d for economic purposes. Either way, Nikon capitalized on the weakenesses of the 5d, and in that lapse of time, jumped on the 5d's weaknesses- bolstered with their D3 fame. To me, it seems that no company even wanted to go that route- Nikon said they would never release a full frame, and no other company even had the ability or technology to go that route. Canon was a pioneer in this area and maybe basked too long in the sun. I'm convinced that they have something up their sleeves but won't touch the D3/D700 high ISO capability. Resolution I can imagine will be amazing, and the sharpness at low ISOs untouchable.... but the fact that Canon refuses to give up 1d sales to put some important functions in their 2nd highest end camera range just bothers me. I hope they smart up and listen to the people that are actually paying their bills.
I think that nikon coming out with their camera first, canon took a look at their 5D realized how much better nikons was and have put theirs on hold until they can come out with something better. They probably will have to completly redo the entire 5D. If canon comes out with a 5d replacement in Sept it will not compete with the D700. (Just my opinion, which is worth not much)
jbfaulconer wrote:
I think that nikon coming out with their camera first, canon took a look at their 5D realized how much better nikons was and have put theirs on hold until they can come out with something better. They probably will have to completly redo the entire 5D. If canon comes out with a 5d replacement in Sept it will not compete with the D700. (Just my opinion, which is worth not much)
You appear to have little if any idea about the long lead times of DSLRs. Canon is not going to change the 5D replacement in the couple of months between the D700 and Aug. 26. Canon may tweak the price or the marketing.
Where is that poster from Sweden with the avatar of the oriental guy with the funny moustache? Just when we need him to translate. The article probably says Canon will announce new products when they are ready, just be patient.
Monito wrote:
You appear to have little if any idea about the long lead times of DSLRs. Canon is not going to change the 5D replacement in the couple of months between the D700 and Aug. 26. Canon may tweak the price or the marketing.
and neither do you have any idea about canon's DSLR long lead times. however, i do agree that one or two months is too short to introduce new technology into the camera. that is of course, with the supposition that something is coming out soon which there's no guarantee of.
if history is any indication (1d III, 1ds III), this camera ("5d II") will be expensive and its MSRP will be quite high. after 3 years without an upgrade, there seems to be a lot of pent-up demand. demand = high price. i remember when canon "sniffed out" that there was high demand for the 1d III and the price went from $4000 -> $4500...
We have earlier received an invitation to the 22th of september, now we have received a new one for the 26th.
It is as good as certain that Canon will release new products the 26th, if there is anything new the 22th is uncertain.
The show the 26th starts at 09:00 in Stockholm, but most likely will the news be released a few hours before this. We are on the spot to report and make web-tv.
simonella_viru wrote:
and neither do you have any idea about canon's DSLR long lead times. however, i do agree that one or two months is too short to introduce new technology into the camera. that is of course, with the supposition that something is coming out soon which there's no guarantee of.
if history is any indication (1d III, 1ds III), this camera ("5d II") will be expensive and its MSRP will be quite high. after 3 years without an upgrade, there seems to be a lot of pent-up demand. demand = high price. i remember when canon "sniffed out" that there was high demand for the 1d III and the price went from $4000 -> $4500......Show more →
I dare Canon to release it with a price higher than $3500... especially if they don't have something significantly better than the D700. that's just shooting themselves in the foot.
jbfaulconer wrote:
I think that nikon coming out with their camera first, canon took a look at their 5D realized how much better nikons was and have put theirs on hold until they can come out with something better. They probably will have to completly redo the entire 5D. If canon comes out with a 5d replacement in Sept it will not compete with the D700. (Just my opinion, which is worth not much)+
I do not think so. When D3 came, the new Nikon flaggship Canon realized immediatelly, that it even does not has better IQ in low ISO up to 800.
And I am pretty shure that the team that developed the 5D starts to work on its follow up immediatelly after the 5D introduction. They already know they have the better sensor for the next 5D series.
Maybe they decided to split the range to a 3D/4D and 7D. The lower one will have better IQ than Nikon and become a "Volkswagen" in Fullframe. The higher one will have a lot, we dream about. And it will beat Nikons "high end" D3 while still beeing a "semipro" camera.
The so often spoken about system change is not a real problem now I think. Only few who have the money and are not able to wait people did it. Many unhappy Nikon user had to and where happy about the affordable D700. Now they have a tool, that can compete to Canons semipro standard. D300 never was a competitor to 5D (in IQ) or to 40D (in price/power). Here in Germany we currently have to pay $ 2900 for a 5D beside $ 3900 for a D700. Including the 5D kitlens its $ 150 cheaper than the D700 without any lense. Imo nearly nobody who has to spend the money himselve would change the system. Agencies do. Be shure, they get better priceoffers. They are a marketing instrument. Nothing else. They do not bring the companies money (what make (guessed ) 1-1500 bodies a year in Europe? At a (guessed) rebate of 40%). Including the "power grip" a D700 makes nearly the same price a 1D MK III does. Without the AF-problem (holy shit! HOW could that have happened?) ... there would be no chance for Nikon to sell many D700 to users, who not already have a range of Nikon lenses.
That (AF-problem) in fact I see as a horribel failure. I am shure, that Canon will look, that sth. like this will not happen again. If they really kept back 5D its not because of the display. That should be a 3$ part one can change within production. If, they might had put the or parts of the 1Dx AF- system to the 5D successor. And of course that has to be recovered, before the first body stands in the shelvs (help me: Shelfs?). Better sensors and possible IQ does not make any sence, when AF does not work.
By the way. I never saw an D700 image. I saw couple of D3 pics. How good are 10 out of ten frames with moved objects. In the past professional photographers choosed Canon because of their lenses and professional bodies. 70-80 % of the lenses at sports where white. How happy a photographer is with a D700 or D3 future has to show I think.
gml1 wrote:
According to this post on DPreview, Canon Sweden has invited journalists to a launch of new EOS products on August 26.
If it is true... great.
However, I thought something would happen at the beginning of the week after the Obon events in Japan, i.e. from the 18th. I'll have a look at the Japanese Canon site ....
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Etadam wrote:
If it is true... great.
However, I thought something would happen at the beginning of the week after the Obon events in Japan, i.e. from the 18th. I'll have a look at the Japanese Canon site ....
No it's not true
Canon Sweden has invited journalists to show their latest Canon equipment. Nothing at all with EOS, cameras or launching new EOS products.
They could of course do it but the article in Swedish doesn't say so Maybe they will show a printer or a copying machine.........
