Stunnaz wrote:
If the 5D2 is capable of >ISO3200, then what happens to the 1Ds3? What's the highest ISO on the 1Ds3? It's 3200 right?
I really hope Canon didn't approach it with that kind of thinking. High ISO capability is a draw for amateurs all the way on up to the pros, and Canon would be shooting itself in the foot if it restricts the new camera (or any non-Rebel camera, really) to 3200.
I suppose the question is what you were saying...what happens to the king 1DsIII if little brother 5DII can out-ISO it? I guess Canon just had to determine which gun would hurt more when shot at the previously mentioned foot
bpark42 wrote:
I really hope Canon didn't approach it with that kind of thinking. High ISO capability is a draw for amateurs all the way on up to the pros, and Canon would be shooting itself in the foot if it restricts the new camera (or any non-Rebel camera, really) to 3200.
I suppose the question is what you were saying...what happens to the king 1DsIII if little brother 5DII can out-ISO it? I guess Canon just had to determine which gun would hurt more when shot at the previously mentioned foot
Yea...OTOH the current 5D still holds its ground with the best of them when looking at high ISO performance, specifically at ISO1600, therefor I would not be surprised if they gave the successor ISO 3200 standard with ISO 6400 as a CF. Do you honestly feel they will loose sales based on ISO performance alone? In other words...when deciding between a 5D successor and a 1DIII/1DsIII would you base it solely off high ISO performance? Sure it plays a role...but I think you may be over thinking a bit--specifically when looking at other more significant differences.
Remember...High ISO performance is one of those things the 5D is known for, Canon may want to keep it that way.
I actually personally don't think having ISO 6400 (or higher) on the new 5D would really impact 1DsIII sales; however, I definitely think it is possible that not having it could have people taking a longer look at the D700.
Of course ISO isn't everything, but I think it is fairly important to a lot of people. That said, if there is no 6400 or whatever it probably won't stop me from ultimately upgrading.
Now, on the other hand, when we get around to the 50D next year, I most likely would not upgrade without an increased ISO range (and native, cleaner 3200) as I have a fairly specific need with that camera.
agree. the 1DmkIII had ISO6400 over a year ago so will the next 5D. i'd be shocked if it doesn't have 12800 for the tekkies. (yes we all know these camera can be pushed now easily as this is all software based anyways).
1Ds is 21mp and a different (studio, landscape) audience than D700 potential converts.
bpark42 wrote:
I actually personally don't think having ISO 6400 (or higher) on the new 5D would really impact 1DsIII sales; however, I definitely think it is possible that not having it could have people taking a longer look at the D700.
Of course ISO isn't everything, but I think it is fairly important to a lot of people. That said, if there is no 6400 or whatever it probably won't stop me from ultimately upgrading.
Now, on the other hand, when we get around to the 50D next year, I most likely would not upgrade without an increased ISO range (and native, cleaner 3200) as I have a fairly specific need with that camera....Show more →
Stunnaz wrote:
If the 5D2 is capable of >ISO3200, then what happens to the 1Ds3? What's the highest ISO on the 1Ds3? It's 3200 right?
Well, Canon can continue to be protective of the 1-series and let Nikon and Sony kill the 1-serise sales.
Or, they can come up with a great 5DII to compete with the Nikons and drop the price of the 1Ds3 ($8K is way too much for that camera anyway).
Exactly, more of the same "Santa, here's what I want" / " Toothfairie, here's what I'm hoping for".
The OP begins with "we all know". That should be the clue right there. Like customers fumbling around in a bedding store unsure of what colors to buy we don't know sheet.
gml1 wrote:
Or, they can come up with a great 5DII to compete with the Nikons and drop the price of the 1Ds3 ($8K is way too much for that camera anyway).
It would be really interesting to see the reaction if canon dropped the 1DsmkIII to $5499 or around there, now that it's initial flurry of sales are over. Priced near the D3 i think it would really make waves.
I believe it would really nullify alot of the momentum to the nikon FF models - regardless of the next 5D model.
Ben Horne wrote:
Another bit of info I forgot to mention. The 40Ds are going to be current all through this year. Not that many people were expecting a new version, but rest assured that there won't be a 50D in the fall. The spring is a different matter though.
PMA 2009 is last week of January or first week of February, so I'd expect the announcement then for a March delivery. 12MP, sealing, VGA LCD, wireless flash, DRO, maybe updated AF, 8.5fps with grip
I said similar, not identical. For sure, there will be a trade off. I am pretty sure the 5D II will have at least 16 megapixels .... but it will not be as highly spec'd as the D700.
burningheart wrote:
You mean downgrade to 12.1 Megapixels
Yeah I do hear you 51 point autofocus, ISO 25600, etc.
But if the Megapixels don't increase I'm not likely to upgrade, my current 5D is just fine.
I was in the camera store just before (big dept store so the guys there don't give a stuff about DPReview rumours and crap like that) and the guys are like yeah check the Canon website there's a new 5D replacement (in a really casual way, not like a rumour mongering way). I checked and it's not there but I think it suggests something is happening.
Canon really need to put 16mp into the 5DII becuse you can guarentee that Nikon have blind sided Canon with their D700 and the only area that Canon can upspec Nikon is with MP. Nikon has wrapped a 3 year old sensor (compared to Canon) in a killer body. If Canon hasn't spend the R&D to upspec their body, then they can easily upspec their Sensor. Then again, that's what Canon have always done.
gazzajagman wrote:
Canon really need to put 16mp into the 5DII becuse you can guarentee that Nikon have blind sided Canon with their D700 and the only area that Canon can upspec Nikon is with MP.
I disagree. I think Canon could play a blinder and give it ~14/15mp and really push the boat out with dynamic range. I'd prefer lower res & lower FPS in return for 11 stops of usable DR. In fact, in *my* preference would be greater DR over and above everything else.
I predict that the 5dII will not be too close to any of the 1D series cameras, because Canon has a history of crippling lower end models to protect their flagships.
bpark42 wrote:
I actually personally don't think having ISO 6400 (or higher) on the new 5D would really impact 1DsIII sales; however, I definitely think it is possible that not having it could have people taking a longer look at the D700.
Of course ISO isn't everything, but I think it is fairly important to a lot of people. That said, if there is no 6400 or whatever it probably won't stop me from ultimately upgrading.
Now, on the other hand, when we get around to the 50D next year, I most likely would not upgrade without an increased ISO range (and native, cleaner 3200) as I have a fairly specific need with that camera....Show more →
i agree with your first point: i think that many people, including the media reviewers of cameras and particularly those who have been comparing the d3 to the 1ds3, do not understand the relationships in dslr's between pixel density and noise: the high mp'dslr's are going to be all about resolution. just as one does not buy a medium format digital back for its high iso performance, the same will probably remain so with the high mp ff/fx dslr's. if we do see these bodies given higher iso capabilities, there will be a hefty amount of in camera noise reduction available.
high iso performance, is rapidly becoming an important feature on cameras; it's like live view or sensor cleaning: if you don't have it, it is looked at as a negative. fortunately or unfortunately,the fact that pentax and sony have cameras in the sub $1200 segment of the market that have iso capabilities up to iso 6400, is indicative that it is only a matter of time before canon and nikon follow suit and increase the iso capability of a broader range of their products. having high iso capability on the 5d successor, would probably be very attractive for some 1ds3 users, as they could have a ff body for high resolution and a back-up or complimentary body to handle less resolution driven assignments or assignments where low light capability becomes more important.
i'm not sure we will see much in the way of strides in the area of chip dr. i do think we will see more in-camera processing and editing software solutions like nikon's d' lighting, or canon's htp or auto optimization.
