James Markus wrote:
Thank You. The grain varies a great deal - which is what I was afraid would be the case. I think Rodinal is going to be the test for the first roll, but 60 minutes - wow - that sounds like a recipe to darken the base. Few frames left to think about it some more
yeah, 60 minutes is basically stand development. I used to do a lot of that, but on medium format where grain wasn't as big of an issue.
I do like the idea of a slow compensating developer if you feel the data is thin.
ottokbre wrote:
yeah, 60 minutes is basically stand development. I used to do a lot of that, but on medium format where grain wasn't as big of an issue.
I do like the idea of a slow compensating developer if you feel the data is thin.
ottokbre, My lack of data is my own fault - not keeping up with current events. I didn't know Agfa went out of business in 2004, and is only licensing chemical recipes, and doing some specialty film production. I literally have a mostly full bottle of Agfa Rodinal that must be 25 years old, but I ordered a fresh Adox's licensed copy of it. Back when I last used Rodinal it was to flatten the contrast. The thing that is throwing me is the range of grain results - all from the same developer. The impression I have now is that the more dilute, lower room temp, and stand development agitation technique will result in fine grain + sharp edges. Hopefully that is correct.
Jim
James Markus wrote:
ottokbre, My lack of data is my own fault - not keeping up with current events. I didn't know Agfa went out of business in 2004, and is only licensing chemical recipes, and doing some specialty film production. I literally have a mostly full bottle of Agfa Rodinal that must be 25 years old, but I ordered a fresh Adox's licensed copy of it. Back when I last used Rodinal it was to flatten the contrast. The thing that is throwing me is the range of grain results - all from the same developer. The impression I have now is that the more dilute, lower room temp, and stand development agitation technique will result in fine grain + sharp edges. Hopefully that is correct.
Jim
James Markus wrote:
The impression I have now is that the more dilute, lower room temp, and stand development agitation technique will result in fine grain + sharp edges. Hopefully that is correct.
Pretty much, although I wouldn't say "fine grain," just "finer" than what you usually get with Rodinal.
Lower room temperature is a question mark. When I was researching all this I found statements (backed by experience) saying that Rodinal at 18°C (the original recipe) resulted in smaller grain than Rodinal at 20°C, but I found other statements (also backed by experience) saying it made no difference. I've done it both ways and I'd be hard pressed to see a difference myself. In summer I do it at 20°C and in winter I do it at 18°C; I use a big beer cooler with a water bath to keep everything at a fairly constant temperature during stand. And I don't use full stand development, which can result in bromide drag; I use semi-stand with three gentle agitations at the 30 minute mark.
The sharp edges are definitely there, and you get a lot of tonality with this approach, even with films that are very high contrast. The most amazing result I saw was from photographer John Scarbro using Film Washi S (no longer available), which always came out just black and white for me with no shades of gray at all; when he developed it in Rodinal semi-stand it looked almost like a normal film.
Another Eastern Sierra mountain shot and I think Huss is right, this is the 50/1.8 on the Olympus OM-4Ti shot on 50d.
I love that film but I think landscapes need something spicier than 50D. I probably should have shot this on B&W.
