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Hello, I am curious as to what experience other 1Ds Mark III users are having with the EOS Integrated Cleaning System effectiveness. I have taken about 700 images with mine and the sensor is quite dirty. I haven't been anywhere photographing that was abnormally dusty. I was hoping for more from the self cleaning system. In fact it was one of the main reasons for upgrading from the 1Ds Mark II. I tried using a Giotto blower and that didn't seem to help. My communication from Canon is to send it in. This is not an option because I can't be without my camera that long. With my previous 1Ds Mark II, I have used the Visible Dust Sensor Brush and for more stubborn spots, the Sensor Clean on their Sensor Swab's. Has anyone tried this combination on the 1Ds Mark III? Is there anything unique to the 1Ds Mark III that could be damaged by this method? If anyone has a good and safe system for cleaning, I would love to hear from you.
Thanks,
J. Paul



Apr 05, 2008 at 10:24 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


New from Canon, my sensor was/is filthy, as is my VF. Mine is going to need a good wet cleaning which is something that my 1DMkIII didn't need once in the nine months I owned it. Says a lot about their QC.


Apr 05, 2008 at 11:42 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


I always start a new camera off with a good wet cleaning. Having some kind of built in dust removal will not change that.


Apr 05, 2008 at 11:57 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


My 1Ds3 has about 20k clicks now and let me tell you I find the automatic cleaning system worse than useless. It's set to automatically clean. Also, every day and after every lens change I do a manual cleaning (from the menu, that is). This manual cleaning is more vigorous.

Despite all this, the sensor seems to turd up at about the same rate as that of my 1Ds and 1Ds2 did. The big difference is that the 1Ds3 sensor is a huge pain in the a$$ to clean. Something has to be different; sensor brushes (of various types) don't get it off. Wet cleaning is far more difficult than on the older 1Ds bodies, even though I am using the same tools & methods. The sensor mount is somehow different, probably because of the dust shaker.

At any rate I'd rather have the 1Ds2 sensor assembly.



Apr 05, 2008 at 12:04 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


Stanj this is troubling news! Not only is the automatic sensor cleaning not working, but it is now made more difficult by the new layout in the sensor area. What were they thinking? The official solution is to use a blower and if that doesn't work, you have to send it in to have it cleaned by a technician. For a working pro this is unacceptable. I am losing that warm and fuzzy feeling about my new purchase.
Thanks,
J. Paul




Apr 05, 2008 at 12:50 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


Stan, 20K clicks in only 4 months? Don't you ever sleep or eat?


Apr 05, 2008 at 04:54 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


I just use it a lot


Apr 05, 2008 at 05:03 PM
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jpaulmoore wrote:
Hello, I am curious as to what experience other 1Ds Mark III users are having with the EOS Integrated Cleaning System effectiveness. I have taken about 700 images with mine and the sensor is quite dirty. I haven't been anywhere photographing that was abnormally dusty. I was hoping for more from the self cleaning system. In fact it was one of the main reasons for upgrading from the 1Ds Mark II. I tried using a Giotto blower and that didn't seem to help. My communication from Canon is to send it in. This is not an option because I can't
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We use the wet method and clean the sensor once a week in the studio, and use the air blower whenever we see dust particles on test shots and resort to wet method when air blower does not cut it.

The first interview question for all my assistants is "any experience in cleaning sensor? "



Apr 05, 2008 at 05:32 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


I don't notice the 1DIII being any harder to wet clean


Apr 05, 2008 at 08:01 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


nathanlake wrote:
I don't notice the 1DIII being any harder to wet clean


Ditto. My 1D3 only manually cleaned 3 times from May 2007 after 12k clicks and it is easier to clean IMHO.



Apr 05, 2008 at 08:46 PM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


What wet cleaning product are you using?
Thanks,
J. Paul



Apr 06, 2008 at 09:35 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


I don't find mine any harder to clean that my 1DS MK II was.

Sensor swabs with the Eclipse cleaning fluid work great for me.



Apr 06, 2008 at 10:35 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


Lenspen Sensor Klear + rocket blower.


Apr 06, 2008 at 10:43 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


It was my understanding that Eclipse 2 was the correct liquid, not plain Eclipse. Something about tin coating on the outside surface of the AA filter that was damaged by the more volatile Eclipse 1 solvent? Same liquid (Eclipse 2) for the 5D, 40D and new 1Ds. Am I misinformed ?
Red

Edited on Apr 06, 2008 at 01:48 PM



Apr 06, 2008 at 01:47 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


Red,

Photographic Solutions has done extensive testing on the 5D CMOS with Eclipse and come to the conclusion that it is perfectly safe. There were a handful of 5D's from the first batch made whose ITO-coatings were improperly applied, and when Eclipse came into contact with them, there was quite a bit of flaking of the coating. You have to remember this camera was introduced at the end of 2005 (upgrade time, Canon?). But my understanding now is that Canon has finally acknowledged the in-house problem and if your 5D's ITO-coating is damaged at all by Eclipse, Canon will replace it free of charge.

I also have to agree with stan and jpaul - the dust-shakers are just about a complete waste of time and chamber space. I have a D300 (sorry) and I can run it til doomsday and it only moves the very loose dust specks, the same kind that you can blow off with a Rocket blower. I would prefer to eliminate the shaker assembly altogether because I still have to wet-clean the darn thing.

Nicholas
www.copperhillimages.com



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Apr 06, 2008 at 03:06 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


Thanks Nicholas, I think you live in one of my favorite States, VA.
Red



Apr 06, 2008 at 05:41 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


Wouldn't you think that a $8000 camera should have a decent dust removal system. Actually, I am thinking someone should come to my house and wet clean it for me any time I need it..ha!

If they (the manufacturers) aren't going to make them automatic dust removal systems effective, they shouldn't be there. I am for making the sensors easier to get to for manual cleaning.
J. Paul



Apr 06, 2008 at 05:49 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


Red,
Yes, rural VA is gorgeous. I live a stone's throw from Mabry Mill, the most photographed mill in the US.

J. Paul,
I wholeheartedly agree. They have tightened up the walls of the chamber to help prevent stray light reflections, and in the case of my camera, have given the walls a texture, sort of like felt. All you've got to do is look at a typical sensor assembly witha dust-shaker to see how bulky it is:
http://www.pbase.com/copperhill/image/89021913

If anyone is interested, I've posted an image with directions at the bottom of the image to check your sensor for dust. It shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes to do and it's just about foolproof:
http://www.pbase.com/copperhill/image/95174363/original

Nicholas
www.copperhillimages.com




Apr 06, 2008 at 06:28 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


I thought the newer cameras held an image in place that it would subtract (as a dust "mask") from each shot you take. I wasn't clear on when it did that (i.e., every time you change lenses or via some manual setting/button), but thought that this was a new "feature" in addition to the dusk shaker.


Apr 06, 2008 at 06:37 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Sensor Cleaning 1Ds Mark III


Anthony,
Yes, it's in the software, a "dust-mapping". It's actually been in Nikon software before they came out with the dust-shaker. You take a test shot, and it removes the dust shadows from any image you apply it to. But what happens if you're out shooting all day with many lens changes and the dust is moving around on you considerably?

Nicholas



Apr 06, 2008 at 07:08 PM
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