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p.9 #1 · 7D imminent?


A new flagship camera at PMA? What happened to the 1D series product cycle then??


Mar 13, 2008 at 05:40 AM
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p.9 #2 · 7D imminent?


Pixel Perfect wrote:
No Yakim, that's not the situation. The 5D 2 will (might) be announced on the 22nd April, but at Photokina a new flagship camera, surely a 1 series will be announced for release at PMA. The 5D II is not the flagship model.


I'm relieved….

Happy shooting,
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Edited on Mar 13, 2008 at 05:45 AM



Mar 13, 2008 at 05:42 AM
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p.9 #3 · 7D imminent?


Wow, if the rumored stats are accurate then the 5D2 is a mother of a camera... $3,500 is a lot for a camera though, especially for hobbyists... but man, those stats look really good.






Mar 13, 2008 at 05:59 AM
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p.9 #4 · 7D imminent?


Tentacle wrote:
A new flagship camera at PMA? What happened to the 1D series product cycle then??


I think the 1D III fiasco and Nikon's agressive updates have forced a new cycle.

Edited on Mar 13, 2008 at 08:08 AM



Mar 13, 2008 at 08:07 AM
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p.9 #5 · 7D imminent?


It's not impossible but a mega-corporation like Canon does not change its business plans, its R&D and production plans overnight.

Happy shooting,
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Mar 13, 2008 at 08:11 AM
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Yakim Peled wrote:
It's not impossible but a mega-corporation like Canon does not change its business plans, its R&D and production plans overnight.


But they need to change them. How long should it take for them to change their business plans when they find them either not working or superseded by competitor activity? If they can't respond, adjust and change quickly, they are doomed.




Edited on Mar 13, 2008 at 08:36 AM



Mar 13, 2008 at 08:35 AM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
I think the 1D III fiasco and Nikon's agressive updates have forced a new cycle.


And that can somehow retroactively shorten and intensify a product development cycle that's fully scheduled, planned, backup-planned and already underway? Any idea how drastic, not to mention risky, such a reaction is?

Don't get me wrong, there is a possibility that you're right, but you shouldn't underestimate the massive shift in resources that it needs.

Edited on Mar 13, 2008 at 08:46 AM



Mar 13, 2008 at 08:39 AM
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Lotusm50 wrote:
But they need to change them. How long should it take for them to change their business plans when they find them either not working or superseded by competitor activity? If they can't respond, adjust and change quickly, they are doomed.


Canon is like a giant ship. It takes quite a bit of time from the time captain has turned the wheel till the ship actually change course. What's worse, we don’t even know if the captain has turned the wheel.

And as Whayne correctly pointed out, if Canon thinks the current 1D Mk III has the best AF of all EOS cameras I think we can safely assume that the captain has not turned the wheel....

Happy shooting,
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Mar 13, 2008 at 08:50 AM
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Yakim Peled wrote:
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And as Whayne correctly pointed out, if Canon thinks the current 1D Mk III has the best AF of all EOS cameras I think we can safely assume that the captain has not turned the wheel....


Why is that? Canon might be entirely correct. The nuance that's lacking here is whether the claim covers only new production cameras or if it includes all those blue dot models and those before that.



Mar 13, 2008 at 08:55 AM
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p.9 #10 · 7D imminent?


If it's currently the best, why make an effort to improve it? If it works fine, why fix it?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


Edited on Mar 13, 2008 at 09:00 AM



Mar 13, 2008 at 08:59 AM
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Yakim Peled wrote:
Canon is like a giant ship. It takes quite a bit of time from the time captain has turned the wheel till the ship actually change course. What's worse, we don’t even know if the captain has turned the wheel.

And as Whayne correctly pointed out, if Canon thinks the current 1D Mk III has the best AF of all EOS cameras I think we can safely assume that the captain has not turned the wheel....



It's a shame because the iceberg is dead ahead.





Mar 13, 2008 at 09:06 AM
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Yakim Peled wrote:
If it's currently the best, why make an effort to improve it? If it works fine, why fix it?


Oh come on Yakim, that's semantics, nothing else. From their statement, emphasis mine:

After the AF mirror Adjustment, including the updated firmware version 1.1.3, the EOS-1D Mark III AF function performed better in our tests than all previous EOS camera models.

So it's safe to assume that Canon refers to a properly fixed unit, where the sub mirror bounce is not, or no longer, an issue. That doesn't negate the fact that fixing isn't always done right, a lot of "fixed" 1D3s are still not performing well.

Edited on Mar 13, 2008 at 09:17 AM



Mar 13, 2008 at 09:16 AM
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p.9 #13 · 7D imminent?


I sure hope it's that's only semantics but my gut feeling tells me it's not.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Mar 13, 2008 at 09:23 AM
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Lotusm50 wrote:
It's a shame because the iceberg is dead ahead.


I agree. The D3, the D300, the new Sony, the not-so-distant FF D300, the not-so-distant D3 with 20MP etc. are forming to be a considerable iceberg.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Mar 13, 2008 at 09:26 AM
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p.9 #15 · 7D imminent?


Wow, a lot of speculation, guess and wishful thinking in this thread.

Here's something that I don't remember seeing here, memory card. Canon has traditionally used CF cards as the main memory in their DSLRs but the upcoming XSi breaks that mold. Will the 5D replacement use CF or SD cards? My guess would be dual SD cards.



Mar 13, 2008 at 11:14 AM
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p.9 #16 · 7D imminent?


OldCodger73 wrote:
Wow, a lot of speculation, guess and wishful thinking in this thread.

Here's something that I don't remember seeing here, memory card. Canon has traditionally used CF cards as the main memory in their DSLRs but the upcoming XSi breaks that mold. Will the 5D replacement use CF or SD cards? My guess would be dual SD cards.


I disagree. CF remains bigger and faster. Simply because of its physical size it will always be able to hold more data than SD. Pretec puts 48 GB in a CF card, Samsung has announced 64 GB cards. SDHC sits at 32 GB.

UDMA CF is based on the IDE Ultra DMA 133 (ATA133) interface, which allows for a maximum transfer rate of 133 MB/sec. A 300x UDMA CF card, todays fastest type of CF card, pushes speeds of 40 to 45 MB/sec. SDHC can only get to 133x nowadays, 20 MB/sec.

And last but not least: CF cards are more durable than SD/SDHC cards: no directly exposed contacts and more solid construction. For (semi)professionals, CF will remain the better choice.



Mar 13, 2008 at 11:40 AM
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OldCodger73 wrote:
I disagree. CF remains bigger and faster. Simply because of its physical size it will always be able to hold more data than SD. Pretec puts 48 GB in a CF card, Samsung has announced 64 GB cards. SDHC sits at 32 GB.

UDMA CF is based on the IDE Ultra DMA 133 (ATA133) interface, which allows for a maximum transfer rate of 133 MB/sec. A 300x UDMA CF card, todays fastest type of CF card, pushes speeds of 40 to 45 MB/sec. SDHC can only get to 133x nowadays, 20 MB/sec.

And last but not least: CF cards are more
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CF is also a paralell interface that is at its absolute limit before crosstalk, signal skew/jitter, attentuation, and other abberations associated with parallel interfaces overwhelm signal integrity. SD, as a serial interface, does not suffer from such problems and is consequently scalable to much higher transfer speeds.

The CompactFlash Association has already developed the interface standard that will move CF to a serial interface: http://www.dailytech.com/CFast+to+Replace+CompactFlash+in+Next+18+to+24+Months/article10842.htm

Edited on Mar 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM



Mar 13, 2008 at 12:34 PM
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p.9 #18 · 7D imminent?


maybe the new flagship model they're talking about is the real 1Dmk3. The ones you guys have are actually 1D2s with an overclocked shutter and graphics card with more RAM.




Mar 13, 2008 at 02:29 PM
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p.9 #19 · 7D imminent?


Stunnaz wrote:
Wow, if the rumored stats are accurate then the 5D2 is a mother of a camera... $3,500 is a lot for a camera though, especially for hobbyists... but man, those stats look really good.



That's not much more than I paid for my 5D.



Mar 13, 2008 at 02:35 PM
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p.9 #20 · 7D imminent?


It's hard to believe that this thread can endlessly go on about nothing, for so, so long...




Mar 13, 2008 at 03:14 PM
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