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Archive 2008 · 7D imminent?

Lord Fluff
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p.2 #1 · 7D imminent?

Antony wrote:
5D will be split into 2 models.

Both camera will launch at photokina. Expect a big fuss.

This rumour (which may or may not be true) has been circulating in various forms for at least 18 months.....

Edited on Mar 10, 2008 at 04:31 AM

Mar 10, 2008 at 04:30 AM

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p.2 #2 · 7D imminent?

Tentacle wrote:
I agree, the likelihood of seeing a successor to the 5D at Photokina is so high it can be called 'certain'. But specs? I'm not sure.

***D series
**D series
3D?
5D [exit?]
7D?
1D series
1Ds series

That seems awfully crowded for a product portfolio. And if you want to keep it realistic, you have to compare this to the Nikon range, which is staggered/shifted compared to the price brackets of Canon.

D40/50/60
450D
D80/D90?
40D
D300
5D
1D Mk III
D3
1Ds Mk III / D3x?

So where would you place a 3D and 7D? The current 5D spot, above the price range of the D300, looks like sweet spot to me.

Canon and 3D don't live in the same universe.

If Canon is serious about eventually having a FF lineup except at entry level, now's (well in 6 months) as good a time as any to split the 5D range. 7D could be similar specs to current 5D with 3" low res screen, 14 bit, 3 fps digic III yada yada yada priced around $2K, and 5D II offers greatly improved specs, 16.xMP, 4.5fps, sealing yada yada yada priced around $3K.

I don't think we'll see a 3D before Nikon puts FF into a D300 spec body, which will probably be at PMA 2009 at earliest.

Unknown is what specs and pricing Sony's A900 monster will be. If it's under $4.5K, it'll be a sensation IMO

Edited by Pixel Perfect on Mar 10, 2008 at 07:08 PM GMT

Edited on Mar 10, 2008 at 05:08 AM

Mar 10, 2008 at 04:47 AM

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p.2 #3 · 7D imminent?

Antony wrote:
5D will be split into 2 models. Lower end model will retail at sub $2000 and be basically a full frame 40D with a 13MP sensor, built in flash and slow frame rate (3 fps). ISO to 6400. Smaller VF image than 5D due to reduced size of prism. Camera will be pitched at the high-end amateur seeking FF over speed.

Higher end model will retail for $3199 on launch and will feature watersealing on a par with 1 series, higher frame rate (4.5 fps), and a 16MP chip. ISO to 6400. Better focus inc. focus to f/8 at centre point...Show more →

wirhout being oracle or insider on canon company i have said pretty much the same thing a time ago...
a basic FF camera, masically a cheaper to produce 5D make sense. also canon said a while ago that they want to make FF cameras available for everyone...

on the othetr hand they really need a 3D...
let's face it, 5D or 3D will not cut market share from those who buy 1Ds3

that is a 24 mp camera, most of photographers do not need that much, do not have the glass to deal that resolution, do not have the time and computerhardware to deal with it....upgrading to 7000 camera would mean upgrading some of the rest of the general gear that may cost another 5-7Ks
and they do not need it.
others will never afford a 7000 camera but paid happy 3000 and little more for a FF one, 5D that is...
there are phtographers like i am that do not make that much money from it or do not need that much in terms of features from a camera but love FF, low light capabilities and image quality...

i see 5D and presumed 3D not like lost 1Ds3 potential customer creator but secnd hand 1series and xxD users that maybe never would get a 7000 camera but buy a new 3000 one instead of xxD series or used 1 series...

another approach is this. canon lost a market share in this 3000 + budget...canon lost alround FF camera users. there are some who need a little bit of everything...resolution, FF, AF, speed...not 10 fps but maybe decent 6, not 24 mp but 12-14-16, not expensive 45 AF but a better more consistent and accurate 9-21 points, detachable grip, good high ISO, a camera good for SOME sport, animals, pj but also for landscape or studio work...
similar with D3 from nikon... some do not afford or do not need best in a specific area or too expensive...

and on the other hand WHY NOT

what canon have to loose? 10 fps are definetly another thing than 5 or 6...for those who absolutelly need that peak action frame it a huge difference, for the rest is not a reason to pay 2000 more...same for AF...
if u need 6 fps for shooting athletes in studio , gymnasts, what u reccomentd for example? 5000 1D3 or 7000 1Ds3??no thanks, too much for me...

3D would not cut 1d3 market share, not necessary..serious PJ's adn sport shooters will get one, those who like APS-H reach will get one, etc...

what about 1Ds3 users

even better for canon...huge resolution, menus and options, AF, dual card slot, all sort of features u will never find on a 3D will still make the difference...

mor ethan that canon will KEEP people who migrate to nikon or want to... some did and canon lost market share for real regarding accesories, lenses, etc...
a 3D almost similar to D3 , little less, will make such guys to stay canon...not all need those 45 AF or 10 fps, some would be pleased to pay 3500 instead of 4500-5000, have a 14-16 mp ff canon with some better AF, enough speed and keep their hole accesories and lenses lineup...not to mention getting used to a new system, ergonomy, etc...

i consider a canon 3D, 5-6 fps, 14-16 FF sensor, less options and menu capability, advanced features, nice AF but not 1 series on 3000-3500 $ price would please a lot of photographers...canon may loose some 1Ds and 1D sale but will will keep some who like nikon's D3 and want to swich, will determine many to spend little more and upgrade from 40D, people sho nevver would pay 5000 or 7000 for a brand new 1 series, and will make those who considered some used 1 series gear to put the money in canon's pocket not those who sell used cameras...

Mar 10, 2008 at 04:48 AM

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p.2 #4 · 7D imminent?

PasiM wrote:
No need for a crystal ball to tell 5D is going to be replaced. Sometime in a year.

The big question is who is going to be first on their block to own one.....

It won't be me!

Mar 10, 2008 at 05:34 AM

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p.2 #5 · 7D imminent?

Tentacle wrote:
And that would totally butcher the flagship 1Ds Mk III sales. Why would Canon do such a stupid thing?

I believe that the $8000 price tag does more to butcher the sales of the 1Ds3 than a respectable mid-priced camera. This might do more to butcher the sales of the D3 and D300 or at least slow them down a bit.

It would seem odd to put a 9-point AF scheme on it, given that the present one has 15 points.

Mar 10, 2008 at 05:37 AM

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p.2 #6 · 7D imminent?

Tom_W wrote:
I believe that the $8000 price tag does more to butcher the sales of the 1Ds3 than a respectable mid-priced camera. This might do more to butcher the sales of the D3 and D300 or at least slow them down a bit.

It would seem odd to put a 9-point AF scheme on it, given that the present one has 15 points.

Don't confuse the various 5D speculations... This "butcher" comment (though I realise that it was over-the-top) was in response to a speculated 7D with a very high-end feature set:

[...] Higher end model will retail for $3199 on launch and will feature watersealing on a par with 1 series, higher frame rate (4.5 fps), and a 16MP chip. ISO to 6400. Better focus inc. focus to f/8 at centre point and x type points at the extremities of the focus ellipse (however still 9 point) [...]

Specs like that would take chunks out of 1Ds III sales.

Edited on Mar 10, 2008 at 06:11 AM

Mar 10, 2008 at 06:11 AM

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p.2 #7 · 7D imminent?

Antony wroteExpect a big fuss.

Antony: lenses, please.

Mar 10, 2008 at 06:32 AM

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p.2 #8 · 7D imminent?

Boy do I hope you're wrong. Seriously, both of these sound like they're sad minimalist upgrades with underwhelming FPS (3/4.5), AF, and an even more crippled VF for those that never understood adding a pop up flash was not a good idea.

My recommendation would be for anyone thinking to buy the 5d now as opposed to waiting for these two snoozers...

As for your comments, what proof do you have that your rumor holds sway over any other rumor on the net? Personally, if Canon is really foolish enough to offer these sad additions they deserve to lose 70% of their market share...

Edited on Mar 10, 2008 at 07:01 AM

Mar 10, 2008 at 06:49 AM

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p.2 #9 · 7D imminent?

Jim, I got to agree with you you.

Mar 10, 2008 at 07:29 AM

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p.2 #10 · 7D imminent?

The UPC database is not considered a reliable information source -- I encountered this same report several months ago on another forum and initially believed it, only to discover that the source is widely discounted as vulnerable to inauthentic entries.

Mar 10, 2008 at 07:33 AM

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p.2 #11 · 7D imminent?

Venus wrote:
looks like it's only a 13 mp full frame sensor. bigger buffer and 14-bit amongst other things.

Only 13 MP

How large are you actually printing or haven't you heard of "Framing Shots".
Not intended to be a flame.

I think for 99.9999% of 5D users a FF 13MP won't have any problems.

Remember here we are not talking about 1DS3 / 1D3 replacements - these are totally different animals.

If you look through various 5D threads I don't think you'll find (apart from the inveterate whingers) many people who are not satisfied with their 5D. Most people actually find it performs FAR FAR better than they had anticipated.

Remember it's NOT designed as a 1-series camera so if you can't get that bird or baseball shot --so be it --not intended for those type of applications.

Maybe 14 bit, a faster buffer and definitely better dust protection would be on peoples first choice list but the basic model is just about as perfect as it can be for the market segment it's aimed at.

Whatever product we own we can ALWAYS suggest some improvements -- even if you have a top of the line Ferrari, Merc, Maybach etc you can still find "some �xtra feature "you'd like.

I'd of course like 14 bit but whether I could actually see the difference on even a 16 X 20 professionally produced lightjet print (even that size is far larger than most 5D users print at) is a moot point.

(If I want totally world class exhibition prints then I'd use MF or even LF and certainly not a 5D).

If the rumours are true I would suggest Canon have got their act together regarding the 5D upgrade.

Cheers

-K

Edited on Mar 10, 2008 at 09:10 AM

Mar 10, 2008 at 08:59 AM

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I just want a digital version of a 1V (with out the grip). Full frame, 12 MP would be plenty. Sealing and 1 series autofocus. Throw in dust cleaning and some good low light capability. I'd be a happy man...

Mar 10, 2008 at 09:17 AM

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p.2 #13 · 7D imminent?

Kidtexas: 100%

Mar 10, 2008 at 10:02 AM

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p.2 #14 · 7D imminent?

Replace the 5D so I can buy one second hand.

Mar 10, 2008 at 10:13 AM

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p.2 #15 · 7D imminent?

Tentacle wrote:
Specs like that would take chunks out of 1Ds III sales.

Resolution and autofocus are to me the main things the 1D/1Ds series offers, this doesn't really undermine either (9 or 15 AF points vs 45 is a bit different, plus the dedicated processor of course). Seems to me to be a fair feature set, otherwise why would they even bother updating the 5D. Point is, it needs to go up to iso 6400 at least, to fight Nikon (D3 and future models), autofocus and frame rate should go up out of principle, 16mp sounds like a fair upgrade, and they've added 'weathersealing' to the 40D.. so that seems like a must (maybe not quite as good as the 1 series?).

All in all that sounds like a pretty fair package to me, maybe a little aggressively priced, and it's definitely different enough from the 1DIII that it won't interfere much.

Mar 10, 2008 at 10:34 AM

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Welp, lucky I didn't get a 5D on finance! Just going to wait for the mrk II version of it, then get my monies worth... or a 1Dmrk II n (used)

Mar 10, 2008 at 10:36 AM

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Tom_W wrote:
I believe that the $8000 price tag does more to butcher the sales of the 1Ds3 than a respectable mid-priced camera. This might do more to butcher the sales of the D3 and D300 or at least slow them down a bit.

Indeed. I would also add that Canon sold a lot more 5D's than they might have lost in 1DsMkII sales (whether you look at it in terms of volume or profits).

Mar 10, 2008 at 10:44 AM

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p.2 #18 · 7D imminent?

Very soon there will be no market for an $8K FF camera.

Mar 10, 2008 at 10:50 AM

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kidtexas wrote:
I just want a digital version of a 1V (with out the grip). Full frame, 12 MP would be plenty. Sealing and 1 series autofocus. Throw in dust cleaning and some good low light capability. I'd be a happy man...
You can leave out the dust cleaning, who wants something that can break, I just want iso 6400 or better yet 12,800 (I really don't care about the noise).

Gerry

Mar 10, 2008 at 11:14 AM

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Venus wrote:
looks like it's only a 13 mp full frame sensor. bigger buffer and 14-bit amongst other things.
Gee, if you know everything...why'd you start the thread.

Mar 10, 2008 at 11:26 AM

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