Richard Nye wrote:
I'm not surprised that RG gave the 1DIII a less than perfect grade. Sports photography is a tough test.
What I am surprised at is Canon seemed to take a long time before they started taking action. Wasn't the camera introduced in May? First RG article came out June 21, and Canon engineers didn't go to Pheonix until July 31??!
Canon should have discovered this problem themselves, but when they didn't, they should have reacted quicker.
Actually this isn't as slow as it might seem. Figure the Canon guys took a week or two to figure out they had a real problem, then a week to determine they weren't reproducing or understanding the problem, then a week to decide to actually go check it out on site, then a week to arrange the travel with RG and actually get there. Not apologizing for Canon, just recognizing that large bureaucratic organizations are not usually known for super fast responses. Too bad for Canon on all this. Combination of D3 and 1DIII problems spells a marketting disaster. They would have been much better off to have not released the 1DIII at all. Wonder how hard it would be to go back to the focus/mechanical details of the IIn with the sensor and electronics of the 1DIII?
Wickedfn4u wrote:
Thanks spell check, and thanks James...lol
Well while we are at it.....your breath should be "bated" not "baited"
bate
1. to moderate or restrain: unable to bate our enthusiasm.
2. to lessen or diminish; abate: setbacks that bated his hopes.
3. to diminish or subside; abate.
4. with bated breath, with breath drawn in or held because of anticipation or suspense: We watched with bated breath as the runners approached the finish line.
To bad there isn't a substantial inventory of new MKIIn remaining.
This has now clearly become Canon's Edsel.
Granted the 1DsMKIII has a 21 MegaPixel Full Frame Sensor and slower maximum frame rate than the MKIII, nonetheless, it will be very interesting to see how the 1DsMKIII's AF characterics bear out.
Antony wrote:
Well while we are at it.....your breath should be "bated" not "baited"
bate
1. to moderate or restrain: unable to bate our enthusiasm.
2. to lessen or diminish; abate: setbacks that bated his hopes.
3. to diminish or subside; abate.
4. with bated breath, with breath drawn in or held because of anticipation or suspense: We watched with bated breath as the runners approached the finish line.
Well, this is disappointing. I sure hope RG doesn't discover any problems with 1Ds III.
I am amazed though that we are down to such ad-hoc testing. Surely it is not too hard to create a predictiable jig to test focus on. I am tempted to make my own with a train set or something.
I still have my Mark II so if someone wants to volunteer building the jig, I can do the testing .
The really unfortunate part about this is the effect it will have on the resale price of this camera. Even if they came out with the perfect fix tomorrow, this camera will be selling for $2000 (if not less) within a year.
nonsense..this camera is dramatically better than the mark2n in pretty much every way ..i don't want to list the dozen improvements of the mark3 over the mark2n again and as recently as a couple of months ago the mark2n was going for 2600-3000 dollars routinely...on every level other than servo in hot weather the mark3 is far improved...i too want the servo to work flawlessly but this the world is coming to an end business is lunacy
jonbrach wrote:
nonsense..this camera is dramatically better than the mark2n in pretty much every way ..i don't want to list the dozen improvements of the mark3 over the mark2n again and as recently as a couple of months ago the mark2n was going for 2600-3000 dollars routinely...on every level other than servo in hot weather the mark3 is far improved...i too want the servo to work flawlessly but this the world is coming to an end business is lunacy
I completely agree, but that is not what will be remembered. Most people will remember "that is the camera that won't focus". That will drive the price down...and drive it hard.
Canon may try more firmware fixes, but in the end will hurry its replacement and probably even offer some kind of deal to those registered owners that buy the new one. They won't even call it the MIIIN. Canon will dump 1DMIII and move on to something else. This is no longer about a camera...it is about marketing.
nathanlake wrote:
The really unfortunate part about this is the effect it will have on the resale price of this camera. Even if they came out with the perfect fix tomorrow, this camera will be selling for $2000 (if not less) within a year.
Check the price of a used "broken/fixed" Leica M8 these days...
Rampai65 wrote:
What was the MkIIn ? A revolutionary release compared to the MkII ?
Man there was no noticeable problems with MKII model, but personally all my friends whom owned a nikon D70 or D2X were complaining about problems more serious than the mkII or mkIII this is why the MK ii was so famous in my country than the 12mp d2x until the release of d2xs which was by the way 7 month ago or 8 months!
jonbrach wrote:
nonsense..this camera is dramatically better than the mark2n in pretty much every way ..i don't want to list the dozen improvements of the mark3 over the mark2n again and as recently as a couple of months ago the mark2n was going for 2600-3000 dollars routinely...on every level other than servo in hot weather the mark3 is far improved...i too want the servo to work flawlessly but this the world is coming to an end business is lunacy
About the sanest thing I've read on this matter so far. You should see the lunacy over at DPR, its almost comical.
jonbrach wrote:
nonsense..this camera is dramatically better than the mark2n in pretty much every way ..i don't want to list the dozen improvements of the mark3 over the mark2n again and as recently as a couple of months ago the mark2n was going for 2600-3000 dollars routinely...on every level other than servo in hot weather the mark3 is far improved...i too want the servo to work flawlessly but this the world is coming to an end business is lunacy
That's like saying I have a Ferrari F430 and it's better than the 360 Modena in everyway except when it's hot the engine always stalls and I can't really drive it. But as long as I don't push it hard or try to use it how it was intended it's brilliant.
No one expects flawless AF or has demanded it, but this camera has fallen below the 3.5 yo model it's replaced except for low light AF in shooting which for most people is not extreme. It doesn't have to be hot, the sub-mirror fix has answered that problem anyway, but the AF is still sub-par. The 1D II AF is far from perfect but they could not even maintain that level of performance.
The sky's not falling but I wouldn't buy this camera as it stands now unless it was priced around $2K. You'll be massacred on resale and would you ever truly trust it to shoot say your once in a lifetime safari to Africa say? I wouldn't!
Since I don't generally shoot more than 2-4 frame bursts anyway, I'd be curious to get opinions on the MK III's AF performance under those circumstances as opposed to 10 fps. Personally I could care less about 10fps. 8fps on my MK II bodies is more than sufficient for my sports shooting needs. Has anyone done tests of multiple 2-4 frame bursts while quickly acquiring different subjects much like an actual sports shooting scenario (lacrosse or soccer)?
Pixel Perfect wrote:
The sky's not falling but I wouldn't buy this camera as it stands now unless it was priced around $2K. You'll be massacred on resale and would you ever truly trust it to shoot say your once in a lifetime safari to Africa say? I wouldn't!
Normally one has 2-4 bodies in such circumstances. But if you only go on one safari, then you probably don't get it.
EB-1 wrote:
Normally one has 2-4 bodies in such circumstances. But if you only go on one safari, then you probably don't get it.
EB
Even if I had a couple of bodies (and I have 3) the 1D III would be assumed to be the premiere body for fast action, but it's not is it. So why would you take it at all? If you don't shoot under conditions in which the 1D III will likely let you down, why own it?
Maybe I should have said would you ever trust it for how ever many important shoots you go on?
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