Pixel Perfect wrote:
That's like saying I have a Ferrari F430 and it's better than the 360 Modena in everyway except when it's hot the engine always stalls and I can't really drive it. But as long as I don't push it hard or try to use it how it was intended it's brilliant.
Pixel, you're right to say that the 1D3's AF isn't what it is supposed to be but the use of the word "always" is exactly the difference in perception. It all depends on the conditions under which you shoot and what you shoot. For my line of work, it'll probably work flawlessly 99% of the time. That's a pretty good score so I'm OK with the 1D3 and I'm glad RG saw a lot of improvement. If, on the other hand, you shoot field sports in Death Valley for a living, you're WAY better off with the 1D2N (and a different line of venue).
I'm thinking by the end of the life cycle they'll have probably fixed this baby so no sweat
BTW, the person asking about the 1Ds3 AF performance? It's not geared towards fast-paces action so even with the same flaw it would still be regarded differently.
widget_13 wrote:
Considering that the 2008 Summer Olympics will be in Beijing, where it's rather hot, it will be interesting to see how the 1DIII fares.
You can be very sure Canon is aware that event is coming. Hordes of pro's using your new gear at a super high profile extended event can either do very very good things or very very bad things for your rep.
Could somebody please translate the previous 5 pages for me?
Am I allowed to keep making photos with the most amazing camera ever or not?
This reminds me of the real estate market where we have a home back in Marin County. Every quarter the Marin IJ paper gives the latest numbers on home values (median home price, which is the highest in the country. I am not bragging, I am shaking my head in disbelief.) Whenever the price goes down, people freak out. It's not like your home is suddenly unpleasant, unsafe, or quarantined.
Enjoy what you got or sell it and get out. Move back to Kansas (no offense to members from Kansas). Go back to Nikon or your IIn (offense meant to Nikon owners ). Just stop losing sleep over it.
ward1066 wrote:
Yeah, he did a great job. maybe it will keep Canon on its toes. I wondered why he didn't provide percentages and his red/ green bar. I would give the mark3 a D-
Just wondering. Do you use the camera in any way other that 10 FPS? I know I do and I think the files are beautiful. I think that every image is superior to all most all previous bodies and that means something to me.
sure, image quality is important. but i think that the 5d's (and 40d's) image quality is phenomenal and in many respects, indistinguishable from the 1d3's images. at a fraction of the cost.
which leads me to: if the 1d3 misses a significant number of its shots in bright sunlight, then what good is the 10fps or supposedly "superior" AF system? why not just stick to a 5d or 40d for a fraction of the price? there are too many excuses for this camera when there shouldn't be cuz face it, it's a $5000 (CAD) camera!!! it's canon's flagship camera that was designed to have superior (redesigned) AF at 10FPS! that's what i paid for! not a marginally better, weather-proofed 40d in disguise for 4X the price!
simonella_viru wrote:
sure, image quality is important. but i think that the 5d's (and 40d's) image quality is phenomenal and in many respects, indistinguishable from the 1d3's images. at a fraction of the cost.
which leads me to: if the 1d3 misses a significant number of its shots in bright sunlight, then what good is the 10fps or supposedly "superior" AF system? why not just stick to a 5d or 40d for a fraction of the price? there are too many excuses for this camera when there shouldn't be cuz face it, it's a $5000 (CAD) camera!!! it's canon's flagship camera that was designed to have superior (redesigned) AF at 10FPS! that's what i paid for! not a marginally better, weather-proofed 40d in disguise for 4X the price!...Show more →
Surprisingly, I agree. While I'm 'happier' after reading his report, it doesn't mean that I am fully happy. I got the Mk3 because I needed a little more space in the buffer than my 30D was giving me (that and the AF Microadj was handy), along with a larger sensor. While I won't need 10fps that often, I need more than 3fps with the 5D. Now if I knew that Canon would actually build this new rumored 7D (same size sensor in MP as the 5D with the new pixel design) and 5fps...well...maybe I'll be tempted to sell my Mk3.
Canon has about 1 month before announcements for PMA. How far is Nikon going to go down the line to the consumer models with their improvements? Personally I'm surprised that Canon hasn't jumped all over Nikon's D40 and how it can not use every Nikon lens, while the Rebel series can use any Canon EF lens (and the new ones the EF-S). Granted Canon has some work to do before PMA, and heck you may see a lot more black lenses on 2/3 in Arizona, esp. since Nikon is issuing their new lenses on consignment to photographers who are contemplating switching.
simonella_viru wrote:
sure, image quality is important. but i think that the 5d's (and 40d's) image quality is phenomenal and in many respects, indistinguishable from the 1d3's images. at a fraction of the cost.
which leads me to: if the 1d3 misses a significant number of its shots in bright sunlight, then what good is the 10fps or supposedly "superior" AF system? why not just stick to a 5d or 40d for a fraction of the price? there are too many excuses for this camera when there shouldn't be cuz face it, it's a $5000 (CAD) camera!!! it's canon's flagship camera that was designed to have superior (redesigned) AF at 10FPS! that's what i paid for! not a marginally better, weather-proofed 40d in disguise for 4X the price!...Show more →
This is exactly the point. If it can't be trusted it can't be used. Canon's product claims are clear and false.
No one can argue RG didn't go to extraordinary lengths. If the 1Ds3 shares the same AF system, it does make you wonder what may (or may not) happen to 1D2N and 1Ds2 used values over the intermmediate term.
If the Nikon D3 doesn't fall on it's face, Canon has got some serious paddling to do between now and Bejing or things could get ugly.
Maybe the new pressure from Nikon will force Canon to do the right things (swap) vs. the historically more likely thing (1D3N aka 1D4 in reality and gutted 1D3 values)
As i said,the markIII is so far superior to the markII in terms of IQ,size,battery life,high ISO/low light shooting,new features..bigger LCD ,faster etc. that there is no comparison....the problem is with servo in hot/high temperature situations.....those who attack the camera so aggressively speak as if the camera doesn't focus at all and one cannot take a picture with it....even accepting the servo problem it is a relative problem...perhaps under this limited situation the markII gets a higher % of keepers....it is not a situation where the markII is perfect and the markIII doesn't work at all...
why is it that nobody says...wow,the markIII is dramatically better in low light situations and dramatically better at high ISO etc....even RG acknowledges this...it is as if the camera takes pictures like a 9 dollar throw away camera...lets be realistic here and critique the problem but also acknowledge the vast improvements the camera has made...i am no apologist for canon or any other company and i expect good performance as much as anybody else but this debate is getting silly
Is it possible to compare the 8fps Mark2n versus the Mark3n running at 8fps also?
Perhaps a component of the current problem is just plain focusing speed of the lens.
At 10fps, that is 100ms between each shutter open/close. That is pretty slow in computer time, but very fast in mechanical time.
Couldn't the 1V do 11fps, was it a problem with film cameras also?
10 FPS could be had with any shutter speed over 1/10 second, which hardly requires a "bright sunny day".
Actually IIRC the number is closer to 1/400 or 1/500 for 10fps (though your point is still valid). 1/10 of a second is required for all the activity happening in the mirror box not just exposing the sensor.
). Just stop losing sleep over it.