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Archive 20071D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
p.4 #11D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
I was told here in the US that Trip1 was due on Thursday. Keeping my fingers crossed!
Oct 16, 2007 at 07:00 PM
p.4 #21D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
sheesh 300pounds and all that "calibration" mumbo jumbo and still no resolution: unreal
i hope things work out , somehow
i hope things work out , somehow
Oct 16, 2007 at 08:27 PM
p.4 #41D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
Alistair Watson wrote:
Does focussing seem any faster Chris? ie if you are lined up on a target and you drift off then reacquite, does this reacquire seem faster than before?
Alistair,
I know you are an experienced user of the 1D's but surely setting Set C.Fn III-2 controls the way the MKIII looses and requires focus, does for me. I perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are asking Chris?
I set C.Fn III-2 to 0 and C.Fn III-8 to 0 no assist whatsoever.
Cheers Nick
below is Canon's explanation of C.Fn III-2
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C.Fn III-2: AF system sensitivity to sudden subject changes when in AI Servo mode
* 0 — Standard sensitivity (AF tracking will momentarily pause if the AF point sees another subject while tracking)
* -2 — Slow (Tracking will pause for a longer period when AF is disrupted to allow the photographer to find original subject)
* -1 — Moderately slow (Pause length will be in between setting -2 and 0 )
* +1— Moderately Fast (The AF system will respond faster to a change in subject position)
* +2 — Fast (AF system will not pause, if a change occurs camera will instantly re-focus)
This custom function adresses the different focus tracking needs of various photographers. It adjusts how the AF system will
respond if when tracking a moving subject (AI Servo mode), you lose your subject and find your AF point now in the distance,
or if something closer moves in front of you subject. Important: It does NOT change the speed at which the camera can track
a continuously-moving subject. It only deals with how quickly the system will try to focus upon something different, if the active
AF point no longer sees your moving subject.
Edited by NickRno77 on Oct 17, 2007 at 01:49 PM GMT
Does focussing seem any faster Chris? ie if you are lined up on a target and you drift off then reacquite, does this reacquire seem faster than before?
Alistair,
I know you are an experienced user of the 1D's but surely setting Set C.Fn III-2 controls the way the MKIII looses and requires focus, does for me. I perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are asking Chris?
I set C.Fn III-2 to 0 and C.Fn III-8 to 0 no assist whatsoever.
Cheers Nick
below is Canon's explanation of C.Fn III-2
--------------------
C.Fn III-2: AF system sensitivity to sudden subject changes when in AI Servo mode
* 0 — Standard sensitivity (AF tracking will momentarily pause if the AF point sees another subject while tracking)
* -2 — Slow (Tracking will pause for a longer period when AF is disrupted to allow the photographer to find original subject)
* -1 — Moderately slow (Pause length will be in between setting -2 and 0 )
* +1— Moderately Fast (The AF system will respond faster to a change in subject position)
* +2 — Fast (AF system will not pause, if a change occurs camera will instantly re-focus)
This custom function adresses the different focus tracking needs of various photographers. It adjusts how the AF system will
respond if when tracking a moving subject (AI Servo mode), you lose your subject and find your AF point now in the distance,
or if something closer moves in front of you subject. Important: It does NOT change the speed at which the camera can track
a continuously-moving subject. It only deals with how quickly the system will try to focus upon something different, if the active
AF point no longer sees your moving subject.
Edited by NickRno77 on Oct 17, 2007 at 01:49 PM GMT
Oct 17, 2007 at 05:37 AM
p.4 #51D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
Alistair Watson wrote:
Does focussing seem any faster Chris? ie if you are lined up on a target and you drift off then reacquite, does this reacquire seem faster than before?
NickRno77 wrote:
Alistair,
I know you are an experienced user of the 1D's but surely setting Set C.Fn III-2 controls the way the MKIII looses and requires focus, does for me. I perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are asking Chris?
I set C.Fn III-2 to 0 and C.Fn III-8 to 0 no assist whatsoever.
Cheers Nick
Hi Nick,
I could have asked the question in a better way, you are right, I just saw Chris' post and quickly composed a reply. I know that CFn III-2 controls the way the Mark 3 loses and reacquires focus, personally I believe this to be on of the problems with, certainly, my body. When a rugby player is running towards me I have lock, then he jinks right and instantly focus is obtained on the background, there seems to be a big delay once the AF spot is back over the player in acquiring focus lock again though stabbing the AF-ON button always seems to get the object back in focus. Thinking about it, this is probably because the player is a low contrast part of the scene but no matter what I set CFn III-2 to the AF seems reluctant to reacquire the player without hitting the AF-ON button.
Canon seems to hate comparisons to the 1D2N saying that this is a different AF system, much more advanced, much more sensitive, but in the situation I have mentioned the AF on the 1D2N refocuses instantly, even on the low contrast object. Quite quite odd.....!
And before anyone asks, yes I have tried the assist points but these don't help that much and at other points in the game assist causes me other issues when the players are all close together.
Does focussing seem any faster Chris? ie if you are lined up on a target and you drift off then reacquite, does this reacquire seem faster than before?
NickRno77 wrote:
Alistair,
I know you are an experienced user of the 1D's but surely setting Set C.Fn III-2 controls the way the MKIII looses and requires focus, does for me. I perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are asking Chris?
I set C.Fn III-2 to 0 and C.Fn III-8 to 0 no assist whatsoever.
Cheers Nick
Hi Nick,
I could have asked the question in a better way, you are right, I just saw Chris' post and quickly composed a reply. I know that CFn III-2 controls the way the Mark 3 loses and reacquires focus, personally I believe this to be on of the problems with, certainly, my body. When a rugby player is running towards me I have lock, then he jinks right and instantly focus is obtained on the background, there seems to be a big delay once the AF spot is back over the player in acquiring focus lock again though stabbing the AF-ON button always seems to get the object back in focus. Thinking about it, this is probably because the player is a low contrast part of the scene but no matter what I set CFn III-2 to the AF seems reluctant to reacquire the player without hitting the AF-ON button.
Canon seems to hate comparisons to the 1D2N saying that this is a different AF system, much more advanced, much more sensitive, but in the situation I have mentioned the AF on the 1D2N refocuses instantly, even on the low contrast object. Quite quite odd.....!
And before anyone asks, yes I have tried the assist points but these don't help that much and at other points in the game assist causes me other issues when the players are all close together.Oct 17, 2007 at 07:40 AM
p.4 #61D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
Alistair Watson wrote:
I know you are an experienced user of the 1D's but surely setting Set C.Fn III-2 controls the way the MKIII looses and requires focus, does for me. I perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are asking Chris?
I set C.Fn III-2 to 0 and C.Fn III-8 to 0 no assist whatsoever.
Cheers NickHi Nick,
I could have asked the question in a better way, you are right, I just saw Chris' post and quickly composed a reply. I know that CFn III-2 controls the way the Mark 3 loses and reacquires focus, personally I believe this to be on of the problems with, certainly, my body. When a rugby player is running towards me I have lock, then he jinks right and instantly focus is obtained on the background, there seems to be a big delay once the AF spot is back over the player in acquiring focus lock again though stabbing...Show more →
Hi Alistair, I have tried shooting motorbikes coming towards me, when the focus point drifts off target yes focus is lost but comes back just as quick to re acquire AF? I'll have to get to a football match sometime now the race season has finished to do some testing. IMO Canon have made the AF to fast, stating the obvious they should have left the AF alone but updated everything else.
Cheers
Nick
Alistair Watson wrote
Does focussing seem any faster Chris? ie if you are lined up on a target and you drift off then reacquite, does this reacquire seem faster than before?NickRno77 wrote
Alistair,I know you are an experienced user of the 1D's but surely setting Set C.Fn III-2 controls the way the MKIII looses and requires focus, does for me. I perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are asking Chris?
I set C.Fn III-2 to 0 and C.Fn III-8 to 0 no assist whatsoever.
Cheers Nick
I could have asked the question in a better way, you are right, I just saw Chris' post and quickly composed a reply. I know that CFn III-2 controls the way the Mark 3 loses and reacquires focus, personally I believe this to be on of the problems with, certainly, my body. When a rugby player is running towards me I have lock, then he jinks right and instantly focus is obtained on the background, there seems to be a big delay once the AF spot is back over the player in acquiring focus lock again though stabbing...Show more →
Hi Alistair, I have tried shooting motorbikes coming towards me, when the focus point drifts off target yes focus is lost but comes back just as quick to re acquire AF? I'll have to get to a football match sometime now the race season has finished to do some testing. IMO Canon have made the AF to fast, stating the obvious they should have left the AF alone but updated everything else.
Cheers
Nick
Oct 17, 2007 at 08:09 AM
p.4 #71D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
NickRno77 wrote:
Hi Alistair, I have tried shooting motorbikes coming towards me, when the focus point drifts off target yes focus is lost but comes back just as quick to re acquire AF? I'll have to get to a football match sometime now the race season has finished to do some testing. IMO Canon have made the AF to fast, stating the obvious they should have left the AF alone but updated everything else.
Cheers
Nick
I have also tried cars coming towards me and it works fine, I can drift off target and reacquire the target very quickly, even with tracking sensitivity set to 0. Cars and bikes are nice, bright high contrast areas to focus on. Rugby on the other hands, especially now it is getting darker earlier, is a pain in the backside. The AF does not seem to be able to reacquire though funnily enough when I hit the AF-ON button it comes right back..... This happens even with the camera set completely at default.
Hi Alistair, I have tried shooting motorbikes coming towards me, when the focus point drifts off target yes focus is lost but comes back just as quick to re acquire AF? I'll have to get to a football match sometime now the race season has finished to do some testing. IMO Canon have made the AF to fast, stating the obvious they should have left the AF alone but updated everything else.
Cheers
Nick
I have also tried cars coming towards me and it works fine, I can drift off target and reacquire the target very quickly, even with tracking sensitivity set to 0. Cars and bikes are nice, bright high contrast areas to focus on. Rugby on the other hands, especially now it is getting darker earlier, is a pain in the backside. The AF does not seem to be able to reacquire though funnily enough when I hit the AF-ON button it comes right back..... This happens even with the camera set completely at default.
Oct 17, 2007 at 08:18 AM
p.4 #81D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
I did some basic testing with the new firmware and 500mm with tracking Gul's.
I set C.Fn III-2 to moderate/slow (-1 according Nick)
and C.Fn III-8 to 2 (all assist points)
So far everything looks good. I made several series and 80/90% were in focus. I had a serie of 17, all in focus. It's quite hard to track those birds, they never fly in a straight way
I did some testing my 70-200/4.0L IS with athletics (childrens high jump and spear) and all where in focus.
This weekend there's the Marathon of Amsterdam and I'll do some tests with my 400DO (I sold the 300/2.8) and shorter lenses.
So far the results are promising.
I set C.Fn III-2 to moderate/slow (-1 according Nick)
and C.Fn III-8 to 2 (all assist points)
So far everything looks good. I made several series and 80/90% were in focus. I had a serie of 17, all in focus. It's quite hard to track those birds, they never fly in a straight way
I did some testing my 70-200/4.0L IS with athletics (childrens high jump and spear) and all where in focus.
This weekend there's the Marathon of Amsterdam and I'll do some tests with my 400DO (I sold the 300/2.8) and shorter lenses.
So far the results are promising.
Oct 17, 2007 at 11:28 AM
p.4 #91D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
Not looking to hijack the thread, but were you having problems with one-shot mode focus problems before? Are you seeing any improvements with 1.1.1.? My MkIII is horribly inconsistent in indoor low light conditions. If the single focus point is on something of relatively low contrast it often 'jumps' to an area of higher contrast often far away from the intended area. This with both 35L and 85L mkII!!
Oct 17, 2007 at 02:31 PM
p.4 #101D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
Alistair Watson wrote:
Cheers
NickI have also tried cars coming towards me and it works fine, I can drift off target and reacquire the target very quickly, even with tracking sensitivity set to 0. Cars and bikes are nice, bright high contrast areas to focus on. Rugby on the other hands, especially now it is getting darker earlier, is a pain in the backside. The AF does not seem to be able to reacquire though funnily enough when I hit the AF-ON button it comes right back..... This happens even with the camera set completely at default.
Yeah, cars, bikes, planes...this is an easy task for AF on any 1D body, even coming right at you...field sports are very different and much better AF test.
NickRno77 wrote
Hi Alistair, I have tried shooting motorbikes coming towards me, when the focus point drifts off target yes focus is lost but comes back just as quick to re acquire AF? I'll have to get to a football match sometime now the race season has finished to do some testing. IMO Canon have made the AF to fast, stating the obvious they should have left the AF alone but updated everything else.Cheers
Nick
Yeah, cars, bikes, planes...this is an easy task for AF on any 1D body, even coming right at you...field sports are very different and much better AF test.
Oct 17, 2007 at 02:48 PM
p.4 #111D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
Like Chris Dees I had this weekend the oppertunity to run some tests with 1.1.1. My subjects were (groups of) mountainbikers and yesterday I did some birding. Mainly using 100-400,1600 ISO at shutter speeds 1/1000. I set C.Fn III-2 to 0 and C.Fn III-8 to 2 (all assist points).
My first impressions are equal to Chris (80/90% in focus) but to be honest I don't have a long experience-base on this particular body, therefore missing the "before-after"comparison possibillity.
In some cases AF didn't do the job but for sure due to operator error. And yes Shane, i agree, field sports are a more challenging task for the AF. Perhaps next weekend I'll give it a try!
Regards
Frank
My first impressions are equal to Chris (80/90% in focus) but to be honest I don't have a long experience-base on this particular body, therefore missing the "before-after"comparison possibillity.
In some cases AF didn't do the job but for sure due to operator error. And yes Shane, i agree, field sports are a more challenging task for the AF. Perhaps next weekend I'll give it a try!
Regards
Frank
Oct 17, 2007 at 03:21 PM
p.4 #121D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
Frank Kaat wrote:
Like Chris Dees I had this weekend the oppertunity to run some tests with 1.1.1. My subjects were (groups of) mountainbikers and yesterday I did some birding. Mainly using 100-400,1600 ISO at shutter speeds 1/1000. I set C.Fn III-2 to 0 and C.Fn III-8 to 2 (all assist points).
My first impressions are equal to Chris (80/90% in focus) but to be honest I don't have a long experience-base on this particular body, therefore missing the "before-after"comparison possibillity.
In some cases AF didn't do the job but for sure due to operator error. And yes Shane, i agree, field sports...Show more →
Hoi Frank, welkom bij FM! (sorry, can't resist welcoming a first-time poster from my native country in my native language)
Quick question: how come you had 1.1.1 installed on your body? Had problems before? And where did they install 1.1.1? I'm planning on getting the 1D3 in a few weeks when I'm in the Netherlands - better price than over here @ Kamera Express - and would like to get one with 1.1.1 installed as I've read many positive reports...
Like Chris Dees I had this weekend the oppertunity to run some tests with 1.1.1. My subjects were (groups of) mountainbikers and yesterday I did some birding. Mainly using 100-400,1600 ISO at shutter speeds 1/1000. I set C.Fn III-2 to 0 and C.Fn III-8 to 2 (all assist points).
My first impressions are equal to Chris (80/90% in focus) but to be honest I don't have a long experience-base on this particular body, therefore missing the "before-after"comparison possibillity.
In some cases AF didn't do the job but for sure due to operator error. And yes Shane, i agree, field sports...Show more →
Hoi Frank, welkom bij FM! (sorry, can't resist welcoming a first-time poster from my native country in my native language)
Quick question: how come you had 1.1.1 installed on your body? Had problems before? And where did they install 1.1.1? I'm planning on getting the 1D3 in a few weeks when I'm in the Netherlands - better price than over here @ Kamera Express - and would like to get one with 1.1.1 installed as I've read many positive reports...
Oct 17, 2007 at 03:29 PM
p.4 #131D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
Tx Emile!
This lucky guy (OK ... that's still to be seeing ...
..) is in a " Try before you buy" situation.
Two weeks ago my LCS (yes indeed Emile "KE") had a "Demo-weekend" and Canon-Holland (CPS) placed it on the new body's.
This lucky guy (OK ... that's still to be seeing ...
..) is in a " Try before you buy" situation.Two weeks ago my LCS (yes indeed Emile "KE") had a "Demo-weekend" and Canon-Holland (CPS) placed it on the new body's.
Oct 17, 2007 at 03:48 PM
p.4 #141D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
I wonder why RG has not got to play with or has written up anything I am dying here. I would love to try or hear some official test on this.
Oct 17, 2007 at 04:20 PM
p.4 #151D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
Are you talking about 1.1.1.? RG already posted about using it. It did not solve the problem. See his latest update.
Oct 17, 2007 at 04:23 PM
p.4 #161D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
This post on dpreview claims to be someone who talked to Canon support today they are now claiming the problem has been identified:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=25251582
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=25251582
Oct 17, 2007 at 04:31 PM
p.4 #171D Mark 3 Update - Post Calibration
No he posted about the Beta, not the one they released to us simple mortals.
Oct 17, 2007 at 04:32 PM