The noise is much more then the 20D, also a weak AA filter. My old 10D has less noise then I see in that posting
I think that IF I ever buy a new Canon again, then the quality must be better then the last 2 new bodys they produced.
I Wonder if the 40D also have AI servo problems
About trusting people, oh yes, but I do not trust Canon anymore
Less people that buy them the more likely the 40d will be discounted or a part of the next rebate program. Everyone thank Monique for lowering our costs
Monique wrote:
The noise is much more then the 20D, also a weak AA filter. My old 10D has less noise then I see in that posting
I think that IF I ever buy a new Canon again, then the quality must be better then the last 2 new bodys they produced.
I Wonder if the 40D also have AI servo problems
About trusting people, oh yes, but I do not trust Canon anymore
At first I was not that impressed either with the 40D noise performance, but after having seen a lot of comparisons (crappy ones too) it's difficult to make a proper assessment of its noise performance. Some were very good compared to the 20D, some were equal while others were worse. Also consider the role of the 40D's NR that may be on or off, it does show. Maybe you've heard Reichman's statement that it equals the 5D in IQ. Now I don't know what to believe, we'll just have to wait I guess.
The shots I've seen with NR turned one looks very good, those without seem a bit worse than the 20D, however I do believe that the 40D is a more capable camera than the 20 or 30D, the only thing that bothers me a bit is that the spot meter is larger than on the 30. But I doubt anyone will notice the difference. I wonder why they changed it?
One thing about the 40D I noticed is Canon seemed to cut corners with the software this time round. With my other digital SLR purchases you use to get Photoshop elements, the EOS software CD (and with my 20D DPP on a separate CD) and a printed software manual.
With the 40D you don't get PS Elements, or a printed software manual (Only a CD with PFD's of the manuals).
Monique wrote:
Looks very soft to me, even if they are unprosessed, so I do not think to buy me one.
Monique, sorry that my enthusiasm got ahead of me. But I'm flattered that you'd make a decision based on my very inexperienced photography, especially small jpeg 100% crops (not raw, not even large jpeg and totally without post-processing, and one at ISO1600).
For everyone else, a disclaimer: this camera is far better than I am as a photographer. (I'm working on it.)
EOS20 wrote:
One thing about the 40D I noticed is Canon seemed to cut corners with the software this time round. With my other digital SLR purchases you use to get Photoshop elements, the EOS software CD (and with my 20D DPP on a separate CD) and a printed software manual.
With the 40D you don't get PS Elements, or a printed software manual (Only a CD with PFD's of the manuals).
Its only a minor thing, But still.....
30D didn't come with PSE of printed software manuals either.
the 40D is FAR MORE reliable in the AF department than the 20D.
I agree about the focusing but I disagree a little about the noise. My NR has been turned off and I find the noise is not bad below a 100% crop and even above that I'm not sure it would show in a print. I think that like some others have found if you expose to the right a bit, noise is not really a problem. What noise IS there, comes out easily with a nudge of a slider in LR, PS or DPP. I have a 1Ds, you want to talk about noise, I get it above ISO 400 with the 1Ds, but I love the images it produces, I just expose to the right
IMHO this is very good camera, noise wise it's not a Fuji F30 but I don't think I would use an image from an F30 to make a poster, nor will it have the color and detail of an image from a 40D. I think people looking at the tree are losing sight of the forrest. There are a bunch of new user goodies rolled into this camera. It's hard to really judge a small file jpeg on line and say it is noisy or soft, there are just too many other factors involved, such as lens, exposure, tripod or not, etc. People appreciate others taking their time to do these tests for people see good and bad points of a camera or lens at 100-300%, but really, pixel peeking gets out of hand sometimes, it's real world shots that count.
I'm not defending Canon but most new software that I have gotten lately has had the manuals on CDs. I think this is becoming more the norm. Our 40D book is considered a field book I believe.
roger coen wrote:
I got 2 printed manuals (1 English, 1 Not) with mine just like my XTi.
Strange?
I only got the Manual, the pocket guide, A guide on macro,A guide on IS lenses, A PIXMA Printers card, a accessories guide, warranty card, a "Use genuine Canon accessories disclaimer card, and a how to use CD guide. Plus the EOS software CD and the software user manual CD.
But as I said, its only a minor gripe (I don't use PSE or read need to read the software manual anyway).
It is as nice as I imagined. The larger screen is much better than I
expected. They made the planes more angular than curved on the body and
that has a more pleasing effect somehow. Seems more PRO maybe.
The DIGIC III really helps the camera speed function, Formating,
setting, essentially everything is faster. Probably a small thing but
noticed.
The shutter is remarkably quieter as is the flash popup. Since I am
going to be shooting all Grandchildren today, I am going to use the JPEG
only. The JPEGs I have looked at seem to benefit from the better sensor
and increased resolution compared to the 20D.
I plan on turning the Picture Style to Portrait and see how that does.
The one thing that is a bit awkward is moving from screen to screen in
the Menu. The mutli-button is a bit small for my fingers. Of course you
don't do it often, so it just takes a little getting used to.
I really like the Auto ISO and that the ISO is displayed in the View
Finder. Noticeable is the increased use of buttons and reduced use of
Menus. That is nice.
Overall, their Industrial Designers seemed to be listening to
photographers [or maybe are photographers themselves].
I have a 40D on order due here Wed. I plan on reporting but would like it if the lens type were included in the sample shots posted here. Rather it be noise, color or auto focus subject matter, I find myself longing to know what lens was used. Some do, some don't, just a request here.
Thanks,
clotug wrote:
At first I was not that impressed either with the 40D noise performance, but after having seen a lot of comparisons (crappy ones too) it's difficult to make a proper assessment of its noise performance. Some were very good compared to the 20D, some were equal while others were worse. Also consider the role of the 40D's NR that may be on or off, it does show. Maybe you've heard Reichman's statement that it equals the 5D in IQ. Now I don't know what to believe, we'll just have to wait I guess.
Some discussion about high ISO performance in this FM thread ... but in a nushell, I put up a web page that allows you to easily compare the High ISO performance of the Canon 40D versus the XTi. Using some Javascript, I allow you to easily flip between ISO 100/200/400/800/1600/3200 images re-sized and cropped ... plus you can also see the difference that the 40D CFII.2 noise reduction makes. I also provide the original images for those that want to look at those. Note that these are all using in-camera generated JPEG's to simplify the test - no RAW originals.
I've seen various comments that 40D is better than this, worse than that, or same-same ... so I wanted to see for myself ... with some help from Buzz Lightyear! ;-)
In my opinion, the 40D has close to a one stop improvement over the XTi - especially when comparing XTI(800) to 40D(1600) ... although there it varies depending on where you look - try clicking on the full-size crops as I tried to make it easy to compare stuff. Picture below was shot at ISO3200 (with NR) on the 40D - second one is full-size crop ... I'll add that the cleanup is considerable when you drop to 1600.
Edited by Alek Komarnits on Sep 08, 2007 at 11:01 AM GMT
My problem was the 100-400 wouldn't focus close but after some ace detective work by my wife I found it was me so NEVER MIND!!
