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p.1 #1 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Please post your hands-on experiences with the recently-released Canon Eos 40D here. Now that the camera is nearly shipping, I figure it's a good time to start a hands-on thread to compile relevant information in one place.

Please folks, try to keep this thread on topic and the idle 'chatter' to a minimum, so that the thread can hopefully become a valuable resource for those looking for real-world info on this update to the xxD Series, provided by those that actually own it, or have extensive experience with it. Feel free to include example images, 100% crops, and any relevant details about the camera, especially in regard to image quality and changes compared to the 30D. Please do not make "I just played with the camera at Xxxxx shop" posts; this thread is dedicated to those who have actually used the camera extensively and can provide ongoing insight to this new camera's features and characteristics.

Thanks!

Jeff



Aug 23, 2007 at 12:18 AM
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p.1 #2 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


(Sorry if this should have gone in the 40D Master thread; I thought to make this easier to find for those interested)

Anyway, I got a 40D today (from HK to London, UK) and because I noticed that a lot of people were interested in the shutter sound of the 40D, I recorded it for you to download.

Overall, the shutter sounds very solid, is quick, and not too loud (sorry, I can only compare to the 350D and it is MUCH better, without the "winding" sound). If I remember correctly, the Nikon D70 sounds slightly softer, though.

Notes:
-the beeps are AF lock beeps, left them on
-for recording a normal headset mic was used, so I doubt I captured the full spectrum
-the shutter sounds somewhat "springy", as if tugging on a heavy rubber band (this cannot be heard clearly in the recording I found, due to the lack of bass)
-the 40D uses motors for both movements of the mirror, no spring
-I tried to max out the shutter successions at the end, setting camera to "High Speed Continuous Drive" (shooting RAW), so this is what 7 frames sounds like

Link (mp4 file, sorry, had no time for other conversions):
http://www.youswap.com/index.php?download_id=35aa0de0-a747-102a-b9fa-000b6a3d2c0b

Hope this is useful!

Edited by Max Ackermann on Sep 05, 2007 at 11:20 AM GMT



Aug 29, 2007 at 08:27 AM
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p.1 #3 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Been able to get out and shoot any? Hows the AF compare?


Aug 29, 2007 at 08:35 AM
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p.1 #4 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Thanks a lot, Max. Very interesting.

Best,
i



Aug 29, 2007 at 08:54 AM
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p.1 #5 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


You're welcome!

Regarding AF: I can only compare to the 350D, but AF appears to be working very well, is very quick and the diagonal arrangement, in my opinion, is a definitive step up.

The camera feels like a tank, very well built. The tabbed menu takes a while to get used to, along with the little joystick, which one has to handle very carefully to get in the right direction (it also works as a button, so accidental presses tend to happen).

The screen feels HUGE, and appears a bit grainy (no increase in pixels with the size upgrade), but otherwise is ok, good contrast, better viewing angle than expected, low glare. I wonder how Nikon fits almost 4 times as many pixels on the screen with its latest models, that must look spectacular!

Will continue to play with it and report back



Aug 29, 2007 at 08:58 AM
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p.1 #6 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


, sounds almost as noisy as my 30D shutter. Mine drives me nuts sometimes


Aug 29, 2007 at 09:02 AM
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p.1 #7 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Max,

You've got to be careful...There are a lot of FM'ers here who are waking up to a new day who will want to prevent you from retiring later this evening as you're one of the first of whom we know with a sample of the 40D.

Any shooting with high ISO yet as part of your quality control checklist (you know - follow the cat into a dark room and pretend you can shoot in blackness?)? Seriously - any hint of banding at upper ISOs - how's the noise (with control on/off)?

Don't let us kill you with questions: do head out and enjoy that 40D.

i



Aug 29, 2007 at 09:08 AM
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p.1 #8 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


ivyinvestor, thanks for your concern

I will now work on some high ISOs (with and without noise control) and upload them as soon as I can (it's almost 4 in the afternoon here).

Until then!



Aug 29, 2007 at 09:50 AM
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p.1 #9 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Hi there,

As promised in my post about the 40D shutter sound here, I have done a really quick comparison chart between different ISO settings on the 40D (with the High ISO control on and off), as well as on the 350D.

Please bear in mind that I have done this quickly, and this is by no means "scientific" to the standard of, say, dpreview. However, as a rough guide it works quite well.

Notes:
-camera on tripod with natural light, white balance adjusted
-no other adjustments, 100% crops
-lens was 85mm f1.8 at f11, Aperture priority
-all crops are put together in Photoshop for side-by-side comparison (you may need a high-res monitor to view it all at 100%, I thought it best to leave it as large as possible for better inspection)

Results:
I found that with High ISO control off, the 40D is similar to the 350D, and shows perhaps even a little more chroma noise at ISO 400 and ISO 800.
With High ISO control switched on, the 40D performs really well, even at ISO 3200. I did not notice any significant delay in recording time to the CF card when this function is enabled, so this is definitely interesting!

File (1.6M JPG):
http://www.youswap.com/index.php?download_id=e818eeb4-a761-102a-b9fa-000b6a3d2c0b

Edited by Max Ackermann on Sep 01, 2007 at 10:13 PM GMT



Aug 29, 2007 at 11:41 AM
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p.1 #10 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Ok, a rough ISO chart is up, look here


Aug 29, 2007 at 11:42 AM
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p.1 #11 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Thanks for the chart... however, IMHO, at higher ISOs the noise reduction adds more luminance noise while reducing chroma noise.. and for some reason, I feel the version with no noise reduction is slightly better... but again, my eyes might be wrong


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Aug 29, 2007 at 12:00 PM
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p.1 #12 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Hi Joseph, you may be right with the increase in luminance noise... I guess it remains to be seen if an external noise removal program does a better job (probably).
Lightroom does not have support for the 40D yet (aaaaaaaaaahhhh!), so I won't be able to test its noise reduction on RAW images.



Aug 29, 2007 at 01:00 PM
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p.1 #13 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Hi Jeff, I put some ISO charts up in another post. No proper outside images yet, I am afraid, was tied to my computer today.
As for the pictures of the camera itself, I guess the right-res Canon promo photos are much better than anything I could achieve quickly right now.
Ok, for the buttons... I don't really know how to check if they are weather/dust sealed. In comparison to the 350D (my other camera), they appear and feel sturdier and seem to have some sort of plastic ring around them where they sit in the casing; but that may or may not be weather/dust sealing. I am afraid I won't drop it in a bucket to test if it survives



Aug 29, 2007 at 01:12 PM
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p.1 #14 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Is 40D viewfinder truly improved over 20D/30D?

Not sure if anyone has commented on the viewfinder in the 40D. If so, I apologize.

The magnification of the viewfinder was increased from .9x (20D/30D) to .95x. Those with a 40D in hand and having used a 20D/30D - does the viewfinder seem much better?

At .95x, this gets to .56x effective compared to .71x effective for the 5D or .76x for 1Dx

It appears that the D80/D200/D300 have an effective .63x. When I handled a D80 in the store, the viewfinder did seem better than my 20D.

What are your experiences?

Edited by pmelsa on Aug 29, 2007 at 06:48 PM GMT



Aug 29, 2007 at 01:32 PM
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p.1 #15 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


It looks like the 40D preserves color much better than the 350D (DRebel XT).
Look forward to more results.



Aug 29, 2007 at 03:28 PM
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p.1 #16 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Max,

Thanks for the posts, nice sound clip. Can you tell me something about the brightness of the VF. Is it brighter than your 350D and by any chance as bright or brighter than any Nikon you may have handled? thanks!



Aug 29, 2007 at 04:54 PM
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p.1 #17 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Sorry, I cannot compare the viewfinder to 20D or 30D, as I never used those cameras.

Here are a few more hands-on notes for you (focus on new or useful functions for now):

Build/Interaction
As mentioned before, the camera is like a tank, all buttons feel very robust and the dials make reassuring clonks in every position. The grip is very good and I guess that even with sweaty hands you are unlikely to drop the camera.
Only the joystick is a bit wobbly, but I guess you get used to it. You have to be sure in which direction you push it (down, up, down, left, right and each diagonal).
I still have to get used to the 3-way power button, which is a bit fiddly to operate. Apart from Off, there is the On position as well as a second On position in which the large control dial allows you to adjust exposure compensation and aperture in M mode. I cannot quite get the reason for this, but oh well, I am sure habits will tell.
The 4 buttons on top of the camera, next to the LCD panel, are difficult to reach when holding the camera normally. You have to let go of it a bit and arch your index over to the left, which is a bit awkward. Each button has 2 functions, once pressed, you have 6 seconds to set the value with the large dial and the other with the small dial near the shutter release (From left to right: LCD illumination, Metering mode/White balance, Auto focus/Drive mode, ISO setting/Flash ex compensation)

Screen/Menu
The screen is huge, bright, has good contrast, but looks a bit low-res to me. It is actually just blown up from the 30D in size, without adding pixels.
The tabbed menu is very quick to operate once you get the hang of it. You go through the tabs via the small dial near the shutter, then go up and down with the large dial. Pressing SET will let you make your selection. The tabs are colour coded.

AF point selection
The point can be selected via either the large dial (clockwise or anticlockwise) or the joystick (much quicker, as you can move directly to the desired point).

Drive modes
There is single exposure, continuous exposure (Low-Speed with max. 3fps, and High-Speed with max. 6.5fps), self timer (2 sec or 10 sec delay). So 5 choices in total. I guess the Low-Speed cont. exposure comes in handy if one needs to take more pictures in succession before the buffer runs out (the 40D manages a 75 Large JPG High-Speed burst or a 205 Large JPG Low-Speed burst).

Live View Shooting
This is the big new thing for the 40D. Here is how it works:
-Set the lens to Manual Focus (you can use AF but this a pain, see below)
-Canon recommends using a tripod for Live View and NOT pointing camera at the sun, or damage to internal components can occur (!); there is also an auto-shut off if the temperature inside the camera rises above a certain value
-Enable Live View in the function settings in the menu
-By pressing SET, the mirror goes up and the screen shows the live view

You can change all settings as normal, except the metering mode, for which you have to leave Live View and come back to it. Also, Live View only works in M, Av, Tv, A-DEP, P.

Seeing the live image is actually quite impressive and a bit weird on a SLR. You can zoom in twice, which is even more impressive. I found the first zoom step (5x) more useful for focussing, as the second (10x) is a bit much and the resulting image is too blurry to focus correctly. I guess this is going to be a huge benefit for macro enthusiasts.

As a custom function, you can set Live View exposure simulation, which will display the live image according to what the current exposure is. I have not tested this much, I guess a look at the histogram later is more useful.

The silent shooting mode in Live View has 2 modes: in mode 1, the shutter sound is quieter than in non-Live View shooting (sounds like a digital compact click), and in mode 2, you can delay the sound by keeping the shutter button pressed all the way. While the picture has been taken, the camera will do nothing until you raise your finger again. Only then the sound will go off. I guess this way, you could take a picture and then quickly aim the camera elsewhere and let go, sneaky sneaky.

To use AF in Live View (a real pain), set the lens to AF, AF mode to ONE SHOT and select the center AF point. You then enable a custom function to allow the AF-ON button to focus (the AF-ON button is next to the exposure lock button and worked with the thumb).
Once AF-ON pressed in Live View, the mirror will go down, AF focuses. Once you let go, Live View switches back on and you should be in focus. Whew.

Safety Shift
This custom function shifts the exposure down in Tv and Av modes if the brightness suddenly increases. Not tried this myself yet.

Highlight tone priority
This custom function will expand the standard 18% gray dynamic range towards the highlights (smoother gradation between grays and highlights). Noise may increase in the shadows and ISO is only available from 200-1600. This was taken from the manual, I have not tried this.

Ok, I hope this helps for now. Gotta sleep, time difference!



Aug 29, 2007 at 05:28 PM
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p.1 #18 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Max Ackermann wrote:
I still have to get used to the 3-way power button, which is a bit fiddly to operate. Apart from Off, there is the On position as well as a second On position in which the large control dial allows you to adjust exposure compensation and aperture in M mode. I cannot quite get the reason for this, but oh well, I am sure habits will tell.

As far as i know, it's so you don't bump it accidentally when you it's important you don't change the exposure settings.



Aug 29, 2007 at 06:30 PM
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p.1 #19 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


I found that it works like my 1D3 for live view function and 10x zoom in on live view works very well for MF macro type photography.

Well 1D3 will not AF while in live view mode

Thanks Max for the extensive review.



Aug 29, 2007 at 07:43 PM
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p.1 #20 · •Hands-On• Eos 40D body


Max, can you give us some details on the auto ISO, what modes, and the range in the modes and are their custom functions for the auto setting?


Aug 29, 2007 at 09:22 PM
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