dcmiller wrote:
There's little question of what the 40D will be, it's a question of when.
So has the collective rumour-wisdom of the web decided then what the 40D's AF configuration will be? 9 + 6 invisible like the 5D, or is there still any reason to hold out hope for better?
vachss wrote:
So has the collective rumour-wisdom of the web decided then what the 40D's AF configuration will be? 9 + 6 invisible like the 5D, or is there still any reason to hold out hope for better?
The consenus (well as much as you get) and my source (for what this is worth!) is on the 30D replacement having the 9 + 6 from the 5D with the 5D replacement due later this year having an in-turn better AF (wider spread, more sensors)
vachss wrote:
So has the collective rumour-wisdom of the web decided then what the 40D's AF configuration will be? 9 + 6 invisible like the 5D, or is there still any reason to hold out hope for better?
I wouldn't think so. The 5D will likely occupy the space above the 30/40D for awhile. As much as people are convinced that Canon must react to the D200, I'm not so sure. I wouldn't even expect the 5D replacement(whenever it comes) to have substantially upgrade AF.
With the 1Dv and 1Dvs, Canon has a smaller camera for affluent people who would never consider the previous 1 series body. So I don't know why they would push higher AF performance down their line.
And frankly, if Canon gets more than one product cycle ahead of Nikon this year, why would smaller pros and enthusiastic amateurs want to build up a glass collection with a D200? By the time the D200 is considered, many people realize that a good deal on a camera body should not be the driving factor in the purchase decision.
I would love to have a 12mp 40D with a higher end AF system to use when I needed the extra reach. Canon would like me to buy longer glass.That's part of this equation of which features to put in what cameras.
I like the AF on the 5D most of the time, but Geoff's report on more spread out point is good news for that camera.
Antony wrote:
Ok, after no real rumours for some time I am going to make my predictions for the 1 Series for 2007.
A new 1D series camera will be announced for PMA. It will have a size similar to the 1V, and will be 8.5 fps with a full frame 12.8MP sensor. ISO will now be 100-3200 (extendable to 50 and 6400). There will be a refinement of the 45 focus point system, with more cross sensors.
There will be multiple grips available for the camera, including a WiFi grip, and a basic grip that simply adds battery capacity.
There will be a customiseable button that can be set to MLU.
The camera will be very water-resistant and will have a shutter rated for 200,000 cycles.
Price will be approx US$4500, dropping to under $4,000 within 12 months.
Approximately 3 months later the new 1Ds will be announced. It will be effectively the same camera, but with a 22MP sensor, and a maximum frame rate of 5fps. Price will be $7500, dropping to $7,000 within 12 months
Neither camera will feature internal storage. Neither camera will feature a larger than 24mm x 36mm sensor. There will be no further 1.3x cameras.
Canon will also issue a 40D at PMA - not prepared to speculate re. that.
OK, now this is all speculation, but I reckon it is very close to what is going to happen this year. ...Show more →
Well since we are speculating, The 1Dsmk2 is long(er) over due for updating, if any logic can be applied for this 30 month update cycle.
My next guess, would be a refrined 16MP imager will be used in the next re-vision to the 1Dmk2N, coupled to the processing power of the DIGIC-III; This will also provide more room for the 5D development.
ALSO, the 1.3 imager is OVER; that was a temporary step, until FF imagers could be fabricated at necessary cost levels, and the processing power of the DICIG engine could handle the massive amount of image information, for over 8fps peformance levels.
So what is a birder to do? High pixel density means either:
A) The new super duper 1Dsv (or whatever the 22MP $8K dream machine will be called). Kinda hard for even fairly well heeled amateurs to justify that one.
B) The 40D with very good pixel density but only adequate AF - affordable by most amateurs.
or what I think may become the new mid-priced bird camera of choice:
C) The 1DsII. Big and bulky, but great AF and decent frame rate and pixel density (only slightly worse than the 30D). With the inroduction of the new models used prices should float down to the $3K range before too long - not cheap, but achievable by the same amateur/prosumer market that now goes for the 1DII and 5D.
I don't relish the idea of a 3.5 lb. camera body, but if the new products are arrayed as per the current rumour this may work out to be the best option.
nikt wrote:
Whether Nikon can or can't release a FF camera is kind of not the point. I personally would much rather see Nikon release an 8MP, 8fps camera than concentrate on an FF sensor even with some of the advantages FF might have. Most people at Nikon would talk about more glass than anything else.
Canon dominates this pro market. If Nikon thought that they could recapture it profitably with the intro of a FF, then they would. Is there going to be a mass exodus to Nikon from all the Canon pro shooters if they release FF? Doubt it. And I think Nikon doubts it. If they saw a market for it, and it was profitable, then thats when they will release it.
The upper end pro market is tiny compared to the overall scheme of things. Nikon is not Canon when it comes to size or funds. ...Show more →
I'd like to politely inform you that you've completely missed my point and I think you need to go back and reread my post for understanding.
Any mention I made of Nikon's previous inability to release a FF sensor was only part of my post and you've taken it out of context. Specifically, regarding their inability to release a high speed sports camera and/or any sensor that Sony doesn't make (and the Nikon 4MP LBCAST sensor is 4 year old fish) Nikon can't release a high speed 8MP sensor because Sony won't/can't produce a clean 8MP one. All we need for proof is Sony's previous 8MP offerings which were/are very noisy - yes I own one.
As for the history lesson, gee thanks, but as a long time Canon film/digital shooter, I really don't need another on how Canon dominates the pro market, when that began, why it began, how large the market is, etc. After shooting Canon film cameras for longer than I want to admit and shooting Canon digital for 7 years now, I'm fairly aware of the market and the product offerings (in the film days, I didn't care too much about the technology though - it just didn't matter). I also don't need a lesson on what Canon's and Nikon's primary businesses are - and cameras are not it for either one - or who actually manufactures what (Nikon is one of 3 glass makers and makes their own lenses - Canon is not/does not) and their relative size in market capitalization or capabilities.
Regardless of the the pro market's size, Nikon will at some point make an attempt to lure some of the pros back and you're kidding yourself if you don't think so. I've talked to people over the last 6 months (Nikon pros) that are more on the inside than outside, and the rumor was that Nikon was working on a FF sensor. Any rumor though, especially ones that you read here or hear when your shooting next to a photographer at an event, are "worth the paper they're printed on".
This has absolutely nothing to do with Canon shooters leaving for Nikon. Nikon imaging is already profitable without the high end pro market (not a profit maker but more of an advertising expense anyway). People will change systems regardless of quality and there's nothing wrong with that. I looked at leaving Canon for Nikon back in the 90's. I looked, I evaluated, I thought, I decided, I stayed put. For me, Nikon has never really had a strong enough pull and their prices have never been attractive. They've made some great film cameras and while I lusted after a F5 film camera for a while, I've never considered any Nikon digital for more than 1 minute.
vachss wrote:
So what is a birder to do? High pixel density means either:
A) The new super duper 1Dsv (or whatever the 22MP $8K dream machine will be called). Kinda hard for even fairly well heeled amateurs to justify that one.
B) The 40D with very good pixel density but only adequate AF - affordable by most amateurs.
or what I think may become the new mid-priced bird camera of choice:
C) The 1DsII. Big and bulky, but great AF and decent frame rate and pixel density (only slightly worse than the 30D). With the inroduction of the new models used prices should float down to the $3K range before too long - not cheap, but achievable by the same amateur/prosumer market that now goes for the 1DII and 5D.
I don't relish the idea of a 3.5 lb. camera body, but if the new products are arrayed as per the current rumour this may work out to be the best option....Show more →
Excellent point.. And one of the good things about Canon is that their DSLR's tradtionally retain strong resale values and reliabilities even 2 generations behind.. Good for people needing / wanting to buy the newer equipment, and others can get some top end second hand equipment to meet their needs. I could seriously go for a second hand 1Ds Mark II as well (at the right price)
But I wouldn't dismiss the 1D II repalcement either.. If the Erwin Put etc rumours are right it would be targeted at your kind of market (sports / wildlife etc) with a much better FPS than the 1Ds II (nice for capturing birds landing, taking off, in flight etc) And the price differential may put it right there near(er) the second hand 1Ds II
Geoff Costello wrote:
But I wouldn't dismiss the 1D II repalcement either.. If the Erwin Put etc rumours are right it would be targeted at your kind of market (sports / wildlife etc) with a much better FPS than the 1Ds II (nice for capturing birds landing, taking off, in flight etc)
But zero advantage in pixel density over the current 1DIIN, which means, as Fred was saying, the 1DsII would be the highest pixel density/top AF system combo other than the assumed 1DsIII.
Apple Hard At Work Making iPhone Obsolete
February 12, 2007 | Issue 43•07
CUPERTINO, CA—Only a month after the much-heralded announcement of the iPhone, Apple CEO Steve Jobs confirmed that his engineers were already working around-the-clock on the touchscreen smartphone's far-superior replacement.
"We looked at [the iPhone's] innovative user interface, the paradigm-shifting voicemail, the best-in-class mobile browser, and we realized we could make all that seem ridiculously outdated by the time the product becomes available to customers in June," said Jobs, who described the project as "Apple reinventing the iPhone."
"When the second-generation iPhone comes out this fall, we want iPhone users to feel not just jealous, but downright foolish for owning such laughably primitive technology."
Jobs also hinted that the second iPhone device would not be compatible with existing Mac computers, third-party peripherals, or any future Apple products.
jamesf99 wrote:
I didn't care too much about the technology though - it just didn't matter). I also don't need a lesson on what Canon's and Nikon's primary businesses are - and cameras are not it for either one - or who actually manufactures what (Nikon is one of 3 glass makers and makes their own lenses - Canon is not/does not) and their relative size in market capitalization or capabilities.
I think you got that wrong on Canon doesn't make its own lenses. Here is the link to a recently released virtual lens plant video by Canon detailing its lens making plant and ability:
I think you got that wrong on Canon doesn't make its own lenses. Here is the link to a recently released virtual lens plant video by Canon detailing its lens making plant and ability:
The videos shows lenses being made. How much of the process is explicitly in Canon facilties?
Andrew Wood wrote:
The videos shows lenses being made. How much of the process is explicitly in Canon facilties?
Knew you are going to say that.
I take it you have never visited an actual Canon lens plant before despite being a long time Canon user? I did. But it wasn't a direct invitation to me from Canon, was given to my mentor, who sent me on his behalf instead. That was back in the early 90s.
Oh wait, you are based in Singapore. Guess you must have been influenced by the pro-Nikon dealers there that Canon doesn't make its own lenses in its own plant, right?
The closest Canon-owned lens making plant to you is about 380 kilometres up north in Malaysia's Shah Alam industrial area.
A lot of things may have changed since back in the early 1990s....
Seriously, the video annoys me because it's badly written. For example, if all the facilities shown are Canon-owned, then the scriptwriter missed a trick by failing to mention it.
I'm heading to the Shah Alam area for Chinese New Year this weekend. But I don't expect my parents-in-law would be impressed if I nipped out to look at a lens factory
if you really think the 1D series cameras will be full frame, you're wrong. The 1D series camera is made for sports and it will not be FF for a long time, if ever because sports shooters love their 1.3 crop factor.
That's why there's a 1Ds and the 5D. there's NO point to making the 1D full frame. none.
the 1Ds is a studio camera made for commercial photographers and the 5D is made for wedding photographers who wanted FF bought didn't want to spend the extra $$ for the 1Ds because they didn't really need the extra MP's either.
you heard it here first. the new 1D will NOT be full frame. get used to it. if you want FF, get a 1Ds or 5D.
