lordcarl wrote:
Once Sony develops an FF sensor, more brands will be able to release their own FF DSLRs - Pentax and Samsung in particular, apart from Sony itself and main customer, Nikon.
211 pages - can this topic reach 280 pages before the official announcement, either on Feb 19 or 20?
There's an official announcement on Feb 18 or is that also a rumour?
lordcarl wrote:
Once Sony develops an FF sensor, more brands will be able to release their own FF DSLRs - Pentax and Samsung in particular, apart from Sony itself and main customer, Nikon.
211 pages - can this topic reach 280 pages before the official announcement, either on Feb 19 or 20?
There's an official announcement on Feb 18 or is that also based on a rumour?
Alex53 wrote:
I just want to know how much the new cameras will lower the cost of a 5D so that I can buy one before summer.
Me too. I'd either buy a 5-10% cheaper "6D" or a 20-30% cheaper 5D. I don't care about mpix, all I want is FF, because it allows more DOF control and I am a min dof junkie. For me a 8-10 mpix, with signifficantly better DR and 1 stop lower noise, would be perfect. And the body should be at least slightly improved, something like the 10D was, which is a bit bigger then 5D, with a slightly better grip.
I use a 10D at the moment and I am very happy. I dont need the camera to be faster in any way, or many of the newer features and I dont even crave a much better high ISO performance.
The 2 shortcomings the 5D answers for me are;
1. Its a struggle for me to supply big enough files with a 6mp camera and I have to discard some images because they need cropping and the remaining file is just too small.
2. Wide angle primes.
I just cant go around spending thousands on photography. I have to squeeze what a camera can offer. Many people can be surprised what a 10D can do.
Lotusm50 wrote:
Is this knowledge, or just more speculation?
Sony's second body is due in August -- at least that is the latest report. Perhaps they will get something in the shops by Christmas. As far as I can tell, it won't be FF and is most likely the successor the KM 7D (where the A100 was essentially an update of the KM 5D). It will have more features and better build quality than the A100, but FF? Probably not. The KM platform that they bought was not the ideal platform to get into if your intentions were to go FF-professional. It is pretty clear, Sony is focused on the amatuer/pro-sumer market. They want volume and profits (and a pro body isn't going to do that for them). I would be very surprised if they make a run at the professional market, and even more surprised if they succeed....Show more →
I was told by someone who directly competes with Sony that FF from Sony is what the industry expects this year. I have no interest in Sony, and don't follow the company. Certainly with Canon and Sony still photography is just a battle in th imaging war. The positions Sony decides to take may not make a lot of sense from one perspective. What would Sony have to do to make the middle and upper photography market take notice? I don't know, but it would certainly have to be great.
I would think that Sony and Nikon would be better off sticking with the position that FF is legacy technology.
The other fact I have confidence is the MF digital market being particularly worried about Canon this year. Is it just because this is a replacement year for the 1 series, or do they have a more specific reason? The MF market is on a pretty set schedule with Kodak and Dalsa for the next couple of years, and can't really 'shake up the market'. So perhaps their concern has more to do with worrying about factors out of their control. They have nice little businesses if the big guys will leave them alone.
jcbenner wrote:
How much smaller than the 200mm f/1.8L would a 200/2 likely be? I'm curious why everyone is predicting a 200/2 rather than a 200/1.8? is it due to the fact that Nikon has a 200/2?
If the 200/2 is as sharp as the 200/1.8, I would likely upgrade to get the IS.
Not smaller at all. Remember that IS needs more elements, they would *probably* have to use bigger front element if they wanted to have 200 f1.8 IS.
The sense I had of of Erwins article is that he was relating information told to him, maybe in a five minute conversation. If he had signed an NDA, the information would be more structured and complete. I don't see any benefit for Canon of putting a mechanical lens expert under NDA for a new digital body.
His information fits too well for a guy who doesn't follow gossip.
Erwins has played fast and loose with NDA's before. Remember the M8 images?
Either way I also agree that it is unlikely Erwin would deliberately break an NDA (what long standing professional would). This was written in a style like he was commenting on something he thought was already announced... So one can imagine the quick Email / phone call to him from the friendly local Canon rep "Excuse me Erwin but would you mind..."
You must not remember when Erwin played fast and loose with M8 images he was not to disclose when he went and posted them on his web site.
dcmiller wrote:
Sony will release full frame this year, Nikon within 18 months. Both are likely to be CMOS, not CCD. Sony may have developed something special. Nikon may be in a bit of a bind with getting the sensor technology they need. There are a handful of sources, but it is certainly unclear how they will position a full frame product. It may need to be more 5D like.
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jamesf99 wrote:
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The truth is that Nikon hasn't released anything more than the DX format because they can't. Case closed. No one except for Nikon apologists have ever believed that Nikon is "studying" a FF sensor and that DX is all anyone needs. I sure hope Nikon has found someone to produce a sensor for them because they need it if they want to hold on to their diminished high end section of the market.
Come on Nikon!! I'm rooting for you!
Stephen Gandy (Leica/rangefinder expert/dealer, no Nikon apologist) had this to say last weekend:
Stephen Gandy wrote:
According to two independent and usually very reliable sources
Nikon will introduce their full frame CMOS sensor on the Nikon DX3 at PMA
After Nikon and Nikon shooters, the biggest DX3 winner will be Zeiss ZF
lens sales in Nikon AIS mount.
Speculation - the exact specifications discussed now as fact were first reported here as speculation in January. Look back to page 111. https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/496600/110
It appears that Erwin simply took this speculation and reported it as fact.
Steve
I was the person who announced the 5D in august 05 http://www.ojodigital.com/foro/showthread.php?t=47434
Right now I'm waiting new news from my friends... but nothing sure, I'll keep in atention with this post, seems to be very interesting
Best regards from Spain
Hammerli wrote:
Someone mentioned pages ago the crop mode would help the AF points be where they needed to be, which is wrong. The AF point placement and size don't change one bit, so I don't see how cropping in PS isn't a better option other than frame rate
As someone who wishes some of the 5D's autofocus points were closer to the edges of the frame, I disagree.
I think the someone from pages ago is correct. The af points (which haven't moved) would be closer to the edge (which has moved) of the captured frame. And isn't increasing frame rate the point of using a crop-mode on a FF camera?
technocraft wrote:
And isn't increasing frame rate the point of using a crop-mode on a FF camera?
Yes, but it is only because they don't have the technology to do it correctly (with higher data rates). Nikon had elephantiasis of the testes to try to tout it as a "feature" but what the hell, they got away with it and seem to have been able to convince many that it is a good idea. Got to give them a lot of credit.
Steve Brown wrote:
Speculation - the exact specifications discussed now as fact were first reported here as speculation in January. Look back to page 111. https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/496600/110
It appears that Erwin simply took this speculation and reported it as fact.
Steve
Doesn't mean it's incorrect, along the lines of what an infinite number of monkeys can accomplish.....OO OO AA AA
technocraft wrote:
As someone who wishes some of the 5D's autofocus points were closer to the edges of the frame, I disagree.
I think the someone from pages ago is correct. The af points (which haven't moved) would be closer to the edge (which has moved) of the captured frame. And isn't increasing frame rate the point of using a crop-mode on a FF camera?
Which is different than cropping in PS how? If you want a crop mode, buy an extra grid screen and score a frame on it yourself, bingo, "crop mode." Either way (cropping in camera or cropping in PS, it is all still just cropping) the periphery is still there in the VF, and the focusing points are still in the exact same place, and the exact same size. A more densely packed APS-H sensor on the other hand does put the AF points closer to the borders without having to lose a bunch of pixels in doing so.
Canon offers multiple 1 series bodies for a reason. I think it would be a mistake to dumb down the 1D series instead of maintaining the focus of a high speed first camera.
