Antje wrote:
""The price of 15.700 Swedish crowns should discourage a part of those who had hoped for a fast portrait telephoto for their 30D. The price is however the lenses only drawback."""
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Antje
Thanks for the translation, Antje.
I saved the last line, as it seems to be price that everyone is squabbling over.
I'm reminded of two things:
1. Economics 101 - Supply and demand. Price is set not by the cost, but by the market. Sellers seek the highest price, buyers the lowest. Where they meet is the market price.
2. Canon's pricing policy - Canon is known to extract a premium when a product first hits the market, and then once the "must have it now" crowd has made their purchase, the price settles to something that allows presumably allows a profit and a worthwhile production rate. I expect no different from this lens, and I believe that within a year, it will have settled to around $1200-1300 US.
It's interesting that a lot of people are ignoring one of the things that is being stressed pretty heavily in the Swedish blurb - this is the first non-Tele prime to get the full weather-sealing treatment. That doesn't mean much to the brick-wall and house cat crowd, but it means this lens will most likely become the defacto prime that's in every PJ's bag, if not permanently attached to one body.
Again, I cannot wait for this lens - it looks like a dream come true. You guys splitting hairs over MTFs are completely missing the point.
Sam Bennett wrote:
It's interesting that a lot of people are ignoring one of the things that is being stressed pretty heavily in the Swedish blurb - this is the first non-Tele prime to get the full weather-sealing treatment. That doesn't mean much to the brick-wall and house cat crowd, but it means this lens will most likely become the defacto prime that's in every PJ's bag, if not permanently attached to one body.
Again, I cannot wait for this lens - it looks like a dream come true. You guys splitting hairs over MTFs are completely missing the point.
Provided it doesn't become just another 50/1.0...
What I really want to know is how fast is the AF is compared to the 85 1.2 or the other fast WA primes. The optical qualities and build will be great no doubt. Wonder when we will get some tests, or better yet, one in the stores to do a little test driving...nothing like giving it a whirl on your own camera.
Shane Canfield wrote:
What I really want to know is how fast is the AF is compared to the 85 1.2 or the other fast WA primes. The optical qualities and build will be great no doubt. Wonder when we will get some tests, or better yet, one in the stores to do a little test driving...nothing like giving it a whirl on your own camera.
the swedish article said much faster than the 85 1.2 II & the 50 1.4, so I'm guessing pretty fast.
Brent nice website and images BTW, great stuff...would love to know how you did that that first one on the home page...can guess but better from the source!
Shane Canfield wrote:
Let's hope, that would be great!
Brent nice website and images BTW, great stuff...would love to know how you did that that first one on the home page...can guess but better from the source!
lmitch6 wrote:
Well, I for one am pretty excited to see it finally here. For my focal length needs/wants, the lack of a 50mm L has been a big bummer.
For those complaining about it, you don't have to buy it. MTF Charts and the eventual "ratings" from photozone and the like are for pixel-peepers. The real results will come from the shooters who actually use their equipment, not test it.
Actually, some people who "actually use their equipment" do care about pixel-level sharpness, and not just for testing. I appreciate the fact that many typical uses of the lens do not require corner sharpness (e.g. portraits) but you are misinformed if you think that "pixel-peepers" are uniformly people who test equipment and do not produce real photos.
As an example, I require lenses with good corner sharpness for astrophotography. With bright pin-point sources of lights (stars), a lens with the MTF published will be unacceptable. I am not one to complain about pricing, and I am happy for Canon to attempt to earn every penny they can. But for their flagship standard lens, the 50/1.2L's optical performance seems to be lacking from the quantitative information available so far.
In case you don't understand MTF charts and sensor resolution, the thin lines represent contrast at 30 line pairs per mm. At the corners, the lens wide open has essentially zero contrast (i.e. no definition) and stopped down has about 50% contrast (i.e. black and white look like dark gray and light gray, respectively). But now, consider that the sensor on the 1DsII (not to mention the possible successor) has 70 line pairs per mm! That means, in slightly oversimplified terms, that this lens won't even be able to resolve 1/4 of the 1DsII's pixels in the corners.
Now if you are happy with your camera being 2 megapixels effective in the corners, that's fantastic. But please don't call those of us who need more resolution "pixel-peepers" who don't "actually use their equipment".
Lets remember that the 70-300 DO lists for nearly 2K and sells for what 1100? So I'd expect that this lens will greatly drop in price to maybe $900 after the insanity calms down.
