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Dr D wrote:
I was talking about the wide end of wide angle zooms 10mm = EFs10-22mm, 16mm = EF 16-35mm L



Don't think that that is everybodys solution. A wide zoom is about as desirable to me as mud on my sensor. I'll stick with a 20mm prime on a FF. If Canon made a 17 or 18mm USM or L I would buy it tomorow. If you gave me a 10-22S I would sell it tomorow.



Aug 23, 2005 at 02:33 AM
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p.4 #2 · Disappointed in the 5D


nsbca wrote:
Don't think that that is everybodys solution. A wide zoom is about as desirable to me as mud on my sensor. I'll stick with a 20mm prime on a FF. If Canon made a 17 or 18mm USM or L I would buy it tomorow. If you gave me a 10-22S I would sell it tomorow.


I will keep the 10-22...........if canon give me a 13 megapixels sensor with 1.6 crop and 8 frames/per sec............a 20D MK II

Because...........I shoot this..........

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/hotpixel/public_html/photos/caca.jpg


Edited by Lalfer on Aug 23, 2005 at 07:45 AM GMT



Aug 23, 2005 at 02:44 AM
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nsbca wrote:
Don't think that that is everybodys solution. A wide zoom is about as desirable to me as mud on my sensor. I'll stick with a 20mm prime on a FF. If Canon made a 17 or 18mm USM or L I would buy it tomorow. If you gave me a 10-22S I would sell it tomorow.


Canon make a 14mm prime. And likewise, primes aren't everyone's choice. I prefer the convenience of zooms. That and the fact I'll get less mud on my sensor with fewer lens changes



Aug 23, 2005 at 02:45 AM
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p.4 #4 · Disappointed in the 5D


Nice shot Lalfer.

PS. I'd go for your 20D MkII in a heart beat



Aug 23, 2005 at 02:48 AM
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Lalfer wrote:
I will keep the 10-22...........if canon give me a 13 megapixels sensor with 1.6 crop and 8 frames/per sec............a 20D MK II

Because...........I shoot this..........

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/hotpixel/public_html/photos/caca.jpg





Great image.



Aug 23, 2005 at 02:49 AM
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Dr D wrote:
Nice shot Lalfer.

PS. I'd go for your 20D MkII in a heart beat




oh same here................



Aug 23, 2005 at 02:55 AM
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p.4 #7 · Disappointed in the 5D


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Canon make a 14mm prime. And likewise, primes aren't everyone's choice. I prefer the convenience of zooms. That and the fact I'll get less mud on my sensor with fewer lens changes


I've looked through the 14 and there is too much distortion for my taste. I used to use a 17mm on my Spotmatic years ago and I loved the FOV. Just enough difference from the 20mm to significantly change the image.

As far as changing lenses, I don't see where that would be a factor. Not for me anyway. There is nothing in the 10-22 range that I would change the lens to from a 17mm.



Aug 23, 2005 at 02:56 AM
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nsbca wrote:
I've looked through the 14 and there is too much distortion for my taste. I used to use a 17mm on my Spotmatic years ago and I loved the FOV. Just enough difference from the 20mm to significantly change the image.

As far as changing lenses, I don't see where that would be a factor. Not for me anyway. There is nothing in the 10-22 range that I would change the lens to from a 17mm.


On a 20D the 10-22 is an effective 16-35. Are you saying you'd only ever use it at 17mm (27mm effective), or that you don't use 24, 28 and 35mm effective lengths?



Aug 23, 2005 at 03:03 AM
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On a 20D the 10-22 is an effective 16-35. Are you saying you'd only ever use it at 17mm (27mm effective), or that you don't use 24, 28 and 35mm effective lengths?


I'm saying I wouldn't use a wide on a 1.6 crop camera and I wouldn't use a zoom even if I did. I get quite comfortable with a prime mounted on my camera and the images I get back show that.



Aug 23, 2005 at 03:23 AM
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Once you use a 15mm Fish Eye on full frame, you just cant go back.

180 degree diagonal, thats fun stuff

worth buying a FF body for alone ? Probably not but it is something I cant see them producing for a 1.6x body.



Aug 23, 2005 at 03:42 AM
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p.4 #11 · Disappointed in the 5D


A little analogy i thought of today:

20D is the son of the 1D2
the 5D is the daughter of the 1DS2




Aug 23, 2005 at 04:27 AM
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I have the feeling that the original poster is just trying to justify his EOS 1-series purchase! Seriously!

For anyone here who "doesn't get" the 5D, you probably don't need it! (And I don't mean this in a derogatory manner, I just mean that it's not a camera that you have a genuine need for!).

I have shot Canon for the last 20+ years. In all that time, I have only owned two DSLR Canon bodies. There is a very good reason for that - I mainly shoot people for a living! (I've always wanted to say that. ). For me to spend money on a DSLR, I have to justify the cost to myself.

So, the first DSLR that I could afford (in my mind) and that I thought was worth the money, was my original D30. This was, in many ways, a "milestone" camera - the first affordable DSLR from Canon. the first one with a CMOS sensor, and a camera which was light-years ahead of the competition (at the time) in terms of image quality and ergonomics (finally I could use all my EF lenses with digital equipment!). The D30 served me well for nearly three years, and I earned my living with it.

I skipped the D60 because it was not enough of an upgrade from the D30. Twice the pixels (so what?), but not much else.

I ordered the 10D sight unseen, and received one on the first day they became available! Why? Because it was another groundbreaking camera, IMO. Much better than the D60 in many ways, and much cheaper. I still use it to this day and it is still earning me money - I still earn my living with it!

The 5D? I ordered one yesterday! Again, sight unseen. This is another "milestone" camera, folks! Because I shoot mainly people (weddings, portraits, etc.), I have been racking my brains for the last few months about how I can justify the cost of an EOS 1Ds MkII to myself. I was figuring out how to get the cash to purchase one of these. Do I need weather sealing? No! I've shot with the 10D in the rain (when I had to), but I don't really need it. I want full frame! I want my lenses too work as designed! I want the DOF control that you only get with full frame! (The only problem is that I will now have to buy some other lenses! ). I want the bright viewfinder! Finally, I can focus manually again if I have to, so guess what? I want the interchangeable focusing screens!

I will now have the best of both worlds - full frame, or I can CROP to get the desired telephoto framing. I will have the ultimate in DOF control, my 16-35mm will behave like an actual 16-35mm, and I will save money by not having to purchase a Sigma 12-24mm! And the best part is, I don't have to justify the cost of an EOS 1Ds MkII to myself! The 5D is extremely good value! As soon as the price was confirmed, I ordered one! Obviously, the price /performance ratio was one that I was comfortable with!

The above works for hobbyists as well - only YOU can decide what you need in a camera, and how much you are willing to pay for it! Personally, I think that *at this time*, full frame CMOS and DiG!C II processor at this price is amazing! I actually didn't believe the rumours at first, thinking that full frame was just wishful thinking, but Canon have done it!

I repeat - The EOS 5D is extremely good value - but only if you NEED a camera like it!



Edited by rudiphoto on Aug 24, 2005 at 04:57 PM GMT



Aug 24, 2005 at 01:06 AM
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Ahhhhhh!!!! So I was at Adorama today buying a SensorBrush (cause B&H don't sell them)... And when I walked in and went to the back "SLR" counters, there was some lady wearing a nice collared shirt that said "Canon EOS Systems" on it and hand a camera in her hand... I walked to her and asked her "You don't happen to have the 5D or 1DmkII-N?". She goes, "No, they will be for sale in September... BUT there is a 5D right there and I am holding the 1DmkII-N here." OMG I JUST ABOUT DIED! w000 lol I had my opportunity to hold, shoot, and test the 5D and 1DmkII-N!! They were only down showing them for about 5 to 10 minutes at Adorama and were doing it specifically for the sale staff who work there, I just got a super special sneak peek!!

I can't say a lot, but DAMN the 5D is amazing! I held it, checked out all of its features, did some snapping and some testing of its FPS and everything. Wonderful, wonderful camera... I could go into greater depth, but it's late. I really want a 5D! The 1DmkII-N was great too! I love the whole 1D(s) series and want to move up to that "professional" line, and am just torn between the two of them! I didn't have enough time before they ran "upstairs" with the cameras to get a look at the -N and try taking shots with it, unfortunately....

However let me just say, I am going to do ANYTHING I can to get ~$4000 soon! Ahhh!

Just had to share my story...



Aug 24, 2005 at 01:19 AM
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Buddha wrote:
Ahhhhhh!!!! So I was at Adorama today buying a SensorBrush (cause B&H don't sell them)... And when I walked in and went to the back "SLR" counters, there was some lady wearing a nice collared shirt that said "Canon EOS Systems" on it and hand a camera in her hand... I walked to her and asked her "You don't happen to have the 5D or 1DmkII-N?". She goes, "No, they will be for sale in September... BUT there is a 5D right there and I am holding the 1DmkII-N here." OMG I JUST ABOUT DIED! w000 lol I had my
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Buddha, could you comment on how loud the shutter is compared to the 20D?



Aug 24, 2005 at 01:38 AM
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bigtraveller wrote:
Interesting change over 20D is as follows"
• 3 AF points work with f/2.8 or faster lenses for enhanced precision


Doesn't the 20d already have that?



Aug 24, 2005 at 01:59 AM
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Dr. Ray wrote:
Buddha, could you comment on how loud the shutter is compared to the 20D?

I just responded to another thread, so go check that too... Basically I said that I don't have that much experience with a 20D, but from the best memory I have with one, to me, it's softer, or has a smoother "clunk" than the DRebel that I use on a normal basis. And the 5D sounded just the same and smooth and nice... It was a prototype version (probably the prototype), however I trusted that at least that shutter was done being engineered for the 5D. I would say that "it is built on probably the same engineered mechanics as the 20D", however given that I'm sure people will start saying that the 20D is 1.6x and the 5D is FF, that that can't be possible, and I don't know for sure, it is just a guess. Let's see, I'm trying to remember my thoughts on the noise as I was shooting. I guess it was still quite of a clunk, but still smooth. I really liked the sound of it, especially cause it was largely the sound (lol) that made me jealous of it because I'm a DRebel user for a while now and tired of all that the DRebel is... That is about the best report I can give.

Edited by Buddha on Aug 24, 2005 at 02:57 AM GMT



Aug 24, 2005 at 02:04 AM
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HeyLeeMR2 wrote:
Doesn't the 20d already have that?

Not sure if this has been mentioned at all anywhere (I thought I read about this on the dpreview site...?). But today at Adorama (see above), the Canon sales guying talking about the 5D mentioned that it contains "6 invisible AF points" to assist if you are using AI servo to help track everything. I thought it sounded like a very very cool feature.

ALSO, note about AI servo... I don't own a 20D, have barely used one much... but on the 5D, they had the ability to change the AF mode (to one-shot, AI-Servo, and AI-Lock or AI-Focus something like that, 3 options) right on the same button you press near the shutter-release button to set your WB. Just thought I'd mention as well... as it was quite conveniently placed there (as opposed to flipping through the menu on the screen). (Again, not sure if the 20D already had this?)

Also, when i looked through the viewfinder at the 5D and was taking shots (and checking how many lil red boxes there were, using non-technical terminology), there seemed like quite a damn few. I was using the 24-70 f/2.8L they had on for demoing, however it was in P and I was using a single point for focus, so I don't know anything about those 3 AF points or anything like that... I did see a LOT of those red boxes and again sighed wishing my DRebel had those features (and made me want a D5 even moreee!!!!)



Aug 24, 2005 at 02:07 AM
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Buddha wrote:
however given that I'm sure people will start saying that the 20D is 1.3x and the 5D is FF,

Nope, we'll start saying that the 20D is 1.6 and the 5D is FF!



Aug 24, 2005 at 02:45 AM
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Nope, we'll start saying that the 20D is 1.6 and the 5D is FF!

lol damn. I'm really off on the 20D tonight! I'll edit that right quickly!



Aug 24, 2005 at 02:56 AM
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The thing is I will need a 600mm with a FF...............with a 20D no problem,
when a 400 will do the job.
I need wide 10-22mm................comes on handy!

all we need is 20D with more pixels..........

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/hotpixel/public_html/photos/caca3.jpg



Aug 24, 2005 at 03:27 AM
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