I guess I dont need to sell my 16-35mmL over the not so good 10-22mm, I thinks thats worth the extra money, a true wideangle with QUALITY to match.
I don't think canon were going to make something better in this point of time, cause they wouldn't sell many 3D's unless it that much better (and wait 3-5yrs like Nikon)
RDKirk wrote:
If the 5D will allow me to sell 30x40 family portraits that I'm satisfied with, I'll make up the difference in cost with three clients.
Maybe 2 or even one decent corporate shoot.
I've posted elsewhere -- I'm a VERY HAPPY user with my current (digital)gear a 1Ds2, a 1D2 and a D60--but I can certainly see one of these going in my bag -- I like the lightness compared with the Series-1and in some situations -- I've still been using a D60 (nice camera too) for places where I can't really use the Series 1 cameras --but with the 5D the D60 can finally be given an honourable retirement.
I for one think this is a BRILLIANT cam -- can't see anything wrong with a FF camera that is nearly 3 times cheaper than the original list price of 1Ds2 and for a lot of shots after cropping there's not a huge difference between the 16 MP of the 1Ds2 and the 12.7 MP of the 5D (look at the Nikon D2X to see what 12.7MP resolution is capable of).
Cheers
-K
Edited by Kyle Yates on Aug 22, 2005 at 12:40 PM GMT
While I won't be upgrading my well-loved 1D, I think it's great that we have another option to think about.......FF is finally here for the masses and it looks to be a nice body with good specs. There will always be those that 'want' more but without the 'want', R & D at Canon would be fired!! Way to go Canon for giving us another thing to think about and dream about!!
As a wedding photographer, I can assure you this will sell like crazy. My only complaint is that it doesn't have 45-point autofocus. Oh, and that I can't buy it this minute
The shutter has a pleasant, almost discreet sound. I would say almost as loud as, but not as distinct as the 1D:s and certainly not the harsh sound of the 350D. Been I while since I held a 20D in my hands so no comparison there in terms of shutter sound.Very nice viewfinder for someone who normally looks through the 300D! Although the 9 AF-points seemed rather cramped at the centre of the viewfinder.
Only held a pre prod sample with the new battery grip in my hands for a couple of minutes. No working CF so no pictures. Had the new 24-105 4L IS attached. Nice smooth IS.
Gibbonx wrote:
That's a pretty narrow target audience.
To be honest, I'd be more impressed with a weathersealed 1.6x crop body with an inbuilt grip, but that was never going to happen
well.. Nikon's been doing that with a 1.5x crop for a while
the 5D looks like it will be a great product, but I feel it will be a niche seller, and not the all-round professional camera that many had hoped it will be. I see tremendous potential for it in the studio sector; however, I suspect the ergonomics will hinder it. I also see this camera pillaging the 1Ds used market, since aside from 45pt AF and weather sealing, there's really no reason to purchase one over a 5D
The target audience is far bigger than just specialty lens users; it really is for anyone who's wanted something wider than a normal angle of view. I think Scott's point should be obvious even without the mention of the TSEs or ultrawides. Lenses shorter than 24 or 28mm or so are limited in selection and cost a lot more than their corresponding 1.6x focal lengths, and typically don't quite have the image quality to boot. EF-S adopters are excepted from this target audience, though I doubt they make up a large group.
On the subject of mirror noise, I see that the lag and blackout times are somewhat longer than those of the 20D, and I wonder if those figures correspond in any way to noise and vibration. The 5D mirror is larger though, so I also wonder if the assembly has any sophisticated damping features as the 1-series does.
DaveEP wrote:
Not sure why you expected 1 series quality for less than 1 series pricing.
True, but you have to wonder why there is such a gap in price between these cameras (the 5D and 1DsII. Market forces are the only reason I can come up with. Consider that Canon charges approx $1300 premium for the 1v over the Elan 7NE.
Venus wrote:
The Nikon D200 will move in for the kill...
The only problem with this statement is that there is NO telling when this camera will actually be released. People have to keep shooting. Canon will probably have (or already has) an answer for this famed D200.
The 5D doesn't excite me. The build is supposed to be similar to my 20D and the small increase (25%) in resolution isn't enough to justify the cost. Granted, it does have some additional features, IMHO it's still not worth the cost of the upgrade.
I think the 1dmkII-n is more of what I want in a camera. However, there's no way I can pony up that much cash right now.
clonardo wrote:
the 5D looks like it will be a great product, but I feel it will be a niche seller, and not the all-round professional camera that many had hoped it will be.
In what way is the 1Ds II not the all-round professional camera that you think is needed? Why would anyone have expected the 5D to improve on the 1Ds II while being far cheaper? I guess some people won't be happy till they can have a 1 series build quality FF 22MP 8fps camera for $1k. For everyone else, the 5D seems like a great camera at a great price. And if you want 45pt AF, weather sealing etc, then Canon already has the right camera for you.
Arhi Esansaari wrote:
Just read the specs. If there would not be that FF sensor, this camera could just be 20D N. And only because there's FF, Canon is asking 2x the price of 20D.
After getting used to use 1D serie cameras, going back to 10D and 20D chasis dosn't attract much.
5D isn't 1D serie camera, It has 20D family look and fealing so that's where it's used prices will fall. If you'll buy 5D, you're giving Canon $1000 for FF. And they can laugh while people believe FF sensor is expensive to build. Bet it only costs around 5-10 bucks more.
Would hoped to get a bit more professional look and feel to that camera. Eg. those 1D buttons and work, body without a grip. And 45 point AF. Then it would have be more worth of the money.
Arhi Esansaari wrote:
Just read the specs. If there would not be that FF sensor, this camera could just be 20D N. And only because there's FF, Canon is asking 2x the price of 20D.
Hey, 1DsMK2 is no better than 1DMK2 except the FF. They ask $4000 more just for the FF plus the loss of Throughput.
clonardo wrote:
well.. Nikon's been doing that with a 1.5x crop for a while
the 5D looks like it will be a great product, but I feel it will be a niche seller, and not the all-round professional camera that many had hoped it will be. I see tremendous potential for it in the studio sector; however, I suspect the ergonomics will hinder it. I also see this camera pillaging the 1Ds used market, since aside from 45pt AF and weather sealing, there's really no reason to purchase one over a 5D
Thousands of portrait and wedding photographers bought the Kodak SLR/c at $3500, even with that dodgy and stodgy Sigma body. According to Kodak, camera sales was not a problem...the problem was that the camera was at the end of the model life cycle and they couldn't put together the licenses to replace it with anything.
And B&H still has its remaining stock of Kodak SLR/c selling for $3200....
Canon's moving into a proven market niche against a $2700 Fuji cropped format and the Kodak cameras fading away.
Enabling a 1.6 crop mode at reduced pixels would be a Godsend!
Instantly I would upgrade from the 20D. I would have my favorite fov with my gear and the option of high MP with FF fov.
Why is it so hard/difficult to incorporate this technology, even Panasonic is doin' it.
Now though, it looks like the 1.3x on the IDMKII is the best option. I can't wait for the price to fall.
Edited by TheObiJuan on Aug 22, 2005 at 12:15 PM GMT
2 pesos?
