p.10 #3 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
Would also make sense. It's not in the ZR category of cameras, it's just like it's own weird thing. If this was a rangefinder type thing with an EVF I'd get it, but it's not. I hope they find success with it though. AdaptedLenses wrote:
A WAY bigger audience than FM.com photographers.
p.10 #4 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
And why would Fuji let Nikon have it? I imagine that since nobody else is using the 26 MP and 40 MP sensors in Fuji cameras, it's a Fuji and Sony collaboration and might not available for purchase by another camera manufacturer. Similarly Nikon's 20 MP DX and 45 MP FX sensors are not used in other camera manufacturers' products because Nikon wants exclusivity. If Nikon did have access to those Fuji sensors, I am sure they would use them because it would be an easy way to up their game in DX when someone else paid for the development.
RoamingScott wrote:
I absolutely don't want a high res camera with no EVF. That's somehow losing the plot more than this.
I wonder if Nikon is kicking around the idea of using the 40mp APS-C sensor that Fuji is using for the Expeed 8 crop bodies. We've seen there's very little reason NOT to use it, it's a great sensor.
p.10 #5 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
With a big caveat that I don’t care about rolling shutter as I don’t shoot much fast action, this has me thinking I’d rather get a used Linux S9 for $900 and get mostly the same tech with a better LCD.
p.10 #7 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
It comes in silver though.
It seems like the big camera companies are treating their product lineups like car companies. Really uninspired one-size-fits-all approach to the market at every possible price point.
p.10 #8 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
Overall I think this will be a good seller for Nikon. It's a cheaper and smaller FF camera and a cheaper vlogging camera than the ZR. They probably also got good feedback on the form factor with the Z30. My guess is we will see sales around 1,200 by the holidays.
Personally, I am disappointed Nikon was not more daring with the design. For example, give us a detachable EVF, give us a good LCD screen, give us a range finder style body. I know some people will say that if you want an EVF just get a Z5II, but that takes away flexibility. I could totally see myself using the camera without an EVF 80% of the time and keeping the EVF in my bag for the 20% I really need it for. Money aside, needing two separate bodies to have one with an EVF and one without negates any space savings.
While they're trying to call this a compact camera, I feel more like it's a Z3, a cheaper full frame camera.
p.10 #10 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
RoamingScott wrote:
They should have 100% done this. It lacks the EVF/LCD/card slots of the Z5ii, so what are we doing here?
Agreed, and I think it would have helped some of the negative comments going around. For example, people would expect a worse LCD display on a Z3 vs a Z5 camera.
p.10 #11 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
They explicitly are doing this, at least kind of. C doesn’t stand for Compact C stands for Casual. Read their marketing materials. I guess you’re thinking call it the Z3 though which not sure I agree with since some might assume the image pipeline is less than the Z5II, which it isn’t.
p.10 #12 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
Yeah swallowing the pill of this camera is a lot easier if it's just billed as a full frame Z30. Z5II sensor and AF are the reasons they called it what they did I guess. AdaptedLenses wrote:
They explicitly are doing this, at least kind of. C doesn’t stand for Compact C stands for Casual. Read their marketing materials. I guess you’re thinking call it the Z3 though which not sure I agree with since some might assume the image pipeline is less than the Z5II, which it isn’t.
p.10 #13 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
AdaptedLenses wrote:
They explicitly are doing this, at least kind of. C doesn’t stand for Compact C stands for Casual. Read their marketing materials. I guess you’re thinking call it the Z3 though which not sure I agree with since some might assume the image pipeline is less than the Z5II, which it isn’t.
The image pipeline isn't different from the Zf and it has a different name.
No one will know wtf "C" stands for if they see it on a shelf. No one reads marketing materials except nerds on the internet. BIGGER NUMBER BETTER is a time proven way of differentiating your products in terms of level of premium and value.
A totally different product line allows them to further improve it in future models. Z3V, viewfinder edition
p.10 #15 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
I did my rant already but the other thing that bugs me a little is that it doesn’t look good, I love brick like cameras, but this one is not great, the Zr was more inspired and the Sony a7c series looks better.
I’m a bit disappointed on that part because of a possible Z7iiC having that design.
p.10 #16 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
Interesting how the three recent camera announcements are all aimed at the same ‘beginner, small camera’ segment, but only OM System actually prices their offering right. Canon and Nikon seem to have lost the plot.
p.10 #18 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
OM Systems is micro four thirds. You either price it due to that or price it too high and everything with a bigger sensor eats its lunch. I looked at what an OM-1 costs this morning. I was like, "no." johnvanr wrote:
Interesting how the three recent camera announcements are all aimed at the same ‘beginner, small camera’ segment, but only OM System actually prices their offering right. Canon and Nikon seem to have lost the plot.
p.10 #20 · Looks like a Z5iiC is dropping next week
JadedWriter wrote:
OM Systems is micro four thirds. You either price it due to that or price it too high and everything with a bigger sensor eats its lunch. I looked at what an OM-1 costs this morning. I was like, "no."
Well, I have two and they’re extremely capable cameras. Anything as capable in FF would have cost at least double or triple. Similar long lenses are double the price.
The new Pen is 20mp, not much less than the latest Canon and Nikon offerings.
