Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announceme...
p.3 #1Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
They are the second biggest photography brand by a large percentage. Who's ignoring the brand? I was on Sony forr 4 years. Came to the conclusion that it was dog poop for my work flow and stopped using it. The deal was basically sealed when I saw the 50 1.2S and the 50 1.2GM saw sample images from both and liked what I was seeing in the S vs the GM. Then you tack on their dog meat hotshoe and I was not vibing with their ARW files and I switched. Then the extra thing that got me to switch is that I did not want to be associated with Sony's uber annoying userbase so used all my E mount stuff as Z mount coupons and used what was left to reinvest into Fuji X mount. It's a brand, not a lifestyle. I bounced. Has not stopped me from pumping out image after image after image and doing my job.
RustyRus wrote:
i'm not switching from iOS to Android just because the new Google Pixel comes out with a better camera. Android has a lot more choices, different versions of foldables across different OEMs...i'm still not switching.
That said, it’s getting harder and harder to argue against taking a serious look at Sony.
Their lens lineup is simply far more versatile than what Nikon currently offers, especially now that Sony has closed the gap on lightweight telephotos.
Cinema bodies, photo bodies, global shutter sensors, stacked action sensors, stacked high-resolution sensors, non stacked options and a massive selection of third-party lenses.
Sony has built out an incredibly complete system. Nikon still makes some fantastic cameras, but the overall ecosystem gap is becoming pretty hard to ignore.
My guess is that Nikon’s shift toward more cinema and video-focused bodies and lenses is a big part of why things feel so held up on the traditional photo side right now. There is clearly a lot of development happening, but it looks like much of that attention is being directed toward building out the video ecosystem and Red integration.So what you are saying is Android is compelling but you don't want to switch?
I Never said there was a problem. I said Sony’s lineup is becoming increasingly compelling. Its cinema, photography, and video portfolio is getting harder and harder to ignore.
I don’t care if you switch systems or stay with Nikon for the rest of your life. That’s completely beside the point.
RustyRus wrote:
dalegaspi wrote
i'm sorry, what is the problem?i'm not switching from iOS to Android just because the new Google Pixel comes out with a better camera. Android has a lot more choices, different versions of foldables across different OEMs...i'm still not switching.
RustyRus wrote
Well, the good news for all of us Nikon fans is that they’re developing some new firmware! They’re also developing some new cinema lenses!That said, it’s getting harder and harder to argue against taking a serious look at Sony.
Their lens lineup is simply far more versatile than what Nikon currently offers, especially now that Sony has closed the gap on lightweight telephotos.
Cinema bodies, photo bodies, global shutter sensors, stacked action sensors, stacked high-resolution sensors, non stacked options and a massive selection of third-party lenses.
Sony has built out an incredibly complete system. Nikon still makes some fantastic cameras, but the overall ecosystem gap is becoming pretty hard to ignore.
My guess is that Nikon’s shift toward more cinema and video-focused bodies and lenses is a big part of why things feel so held up on the traditional photo side right now. There is clearly a lot of development happening, but it looks like much of that attention is being directed toward building out the video ecosystem and Red integration.
I Never said there was a problem. I said Sony’s lineup is becoming increasingly compelling. Its cinema, photography, and video portfolio is getting harder and harder to ignore.
I don’t care if you switch systems or stay with Nikon for the rest of your life. That’s completely beside the point.
Sep 16, 2026 at 08:12 PM
p.3 #2Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
oof don't be that guy, mate.
this is just sad.
RustyRus wrote:
dalegaspi wrote
lol you are trying so hard to rile up the actual Nikon enjoyers and you're failing spectacularly.RustyRus wrote
dalegaspi wrote
i'm sorry, what is the problem?i'm not switching from iOS to Android just because the new Google Pixel comes out with a better camera. Android has a lot more choices, different versions of foldables across different OEMs...i'm still not switching.
RustyRus wrote
Well, the good news for all of us Nikon fans is that they’re developing some new firmware! They’re also developing some new cinema lenses!That said, it’s getting harder and harder to argue against taking a serious look at Sony.
Their lens lineup is simply far more versatile than what Nikon currently offers, especially now that Sony has closed the gap on lightweight telephotos.
Cinema bodies, photo bodies, global shutter sensors, stacked action sensors, stacked high-resolution sensors, non stacked options and a massive selection of third-party lenses.
Sony has built out an incredibly complete system. Nikon still makes some fantastic cameras, but the overall ecosystem gap is becoming pretty hard to ignore.
My guess is that Nikon’s shift toward more cinema and video-focused bodies and lenses is a big part of why things feel so held up on the traditional photo side right now. There is clearly a lot of development happening, but it looks like much of that attention is being directed toward building out the video ecosystem and Red integration.
I Never said there was a problem. I said Sony’s lineup is becoming increasingly compelling. Its cinema, photography, and video portfolio is getting harder and harder to ignore.
I don’t care if you switch systems or stay with Nikon for the rest of your life. That’s completely beside the point.
Moving on
Sep 16, 2026 at 08:29 PM
p.3 #3Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
Here's how i look at the two new lenses. The Nikon primes are probably better and i'll wait for someone like Steve Perry to do some comparisons. But thanks to the marketing power of Sony and the more attractive prices, someone new trying to get into wildlife photography will gravitate towards these lenses than Nikon.
Therein lies the biggest problem that Nikon faces. Less sales compared to Sony.
I hope Nikon comes out with a couple more bangers in the next few years.
That being said, I just picked up a 400 4.5 Z from the buy and sell section. The Sony releases finally pushed me over the edge to go towards a faster prime.
Therein lies the biggest problem that Nikon faces. Less sales compared to Sony.
I hope Nikon comes out with a couple more bangers in the next few years.
That being said, I just picked up a 400 4.5 Z from the buy and sell section. The Sony releases finally pushed me over the edge to go towards a faster prime.
Sep 16, 2026 at 08:38 PM
p.3 #4Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
Sorrymanagement wrote:
Here's how i look at the two new lenses. The Nikon primes are probably better and i'll wait for someone like Steve Perry to do some comparisons. But thanks to the marketing power of Sony and the more attractive prices, someone new trying to get into wildlife photography will gravitate towards these lenses than Nikon.
Therein lies the biggest problem that Nikon faces. Less sales compared to Sony.
I hope Nikon comes out with a couple more bangers in the next few years.
That being said, I just picked up a 400 4.5 Z from the buy and sell section. The Sony...Show more →
Yeah, I think the biggest impact will be newbies looking at the prices and going to Sony. People like me who have nearly $18,000 of Nikon gear are very unlikely to switch over.
Enjoy your Z 400mm f/4.5! I had that lens and enjoyed it while I waited for the 180-600mm to finally be released.
Here's how i look at the two new lenses. The Nikon primes are probably better and i'll wait for someone like Steve Perry to do some comparisons. But thanks to the marketing power of Sony and the more attractive prices, someone new trying to get into wildlife photography will gravitate towards these lenses than Nikon.
Therein lies the biggest problem that Nikon faces. Less sales compared to Sony.
I hope Nikon comes out with a couple more bangers in the next few years.
That being said, I just picked up a 400 4.5 Z from the buy and sell section. The Sony...Show more →
Yeah, I think the biggest impact will be newbies looking at the prices and going to Sony. People like me who have nearly $18,000 of Nikon gear are very unlikely to switch over.
Enjoy your Z 400mm f/4.5! I had that lens and enjoyed it while I waited for the 180-600mm to finally be released.
Sep 17, 2026 at 03:00 AM
p.3 #5Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
I wonder how big the market is for new wildlife shooters who are not yet meaningfully invested into a camera system already. I suspect the number is low and therefore that sales of these lenses may not tweak the needle as much as some think in this thread.
If Nikon maintains an IQ advantage people will still buy the Nikon telephotos. People get themselves in a tizzy research gear and obsessively compare samples and convince themselves that the more expensive thing is worth it. No, I don’t know why you’re looking at me. Nikon may attract a halo effect if the lenses are strong or a little expensive, is my point.
It follows that Sony’s new telephotos are sharper, Nikon will have to respond with updated products anyway, whatever the price. Nobody buys telephoto primes (once you get past 135 or 200 mm) to be character lenses, right?
If Nikon maintains an IQ advantage people will still buy the Nikon telephotos. People get themselves in a tizzy research gear and obsessively compare samples and convince themselves that the more expensive thing is worth it. No, I don’t know why you’re looking at me. Nikon may attract a halo effect if the lenses are strong or a little expensive, is my point.
It follows that Sony’s new telephotos are sharper, Nikon will have to respond with updated products anyway, whatever the price. Nobody buys telephoto primes (once you get past 135 or 200 mm) to be character lenses, right?
Sep 17, 2026 at 03:51 AM
p.3 #6Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
Agree biggest impact of these lenses will be new entrants to the hobby. I suspect vanity colors like white lens bodies and red or gold rings are also an attractant for some people when deciding on which brand to buy.
Sep 17, 2026 at 04:22 AM
p.3 #7Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
i guess we'll see if there is an uptick of new Sony users due to these lenses. there might be, but i'm not convinced there's going to be a lot new users would be thinking "i should buy Sony because they have cheaper 400/4.5 and 600/6.3"
and also, as others already mentioned (including me): Sony (and other brands) will continue to put out enticing products on their line, but they won't be enough to switch me over...for me it's not fanboyism (well, partly it is
) but it's just that there are certain properties of Nikon that just works for me and I don't want to mess with that formula...t
that said, the fast-paced advancement of technology will allow Nikon to further innovate. remember, Nikon was the one who did it first and Sony is catching up.
and also, as others already mentioned (including me): Sony (and other brands) will continue to put out enticing products on their line, but they won't be enough to switch me over...for me it's not fanboyism (well, partly it is
) but it's just that there are certain properties of Nikon that just works for me and I don't want to mess with that formula...tthat said, the fast-paced advancement of technology will allow Nikon to further innovate. remember, Nikon was the one who did it first and Sony is catching up.
Sep 17, 2026 at 04:48 AM
p.3 #8Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
I don't think small differences in price and weight of long telephoto prime lenses are going to make people choose between systems, but combined with autofocus performance and other factors those lenses can be factors that influence system choice. Sony has a more comprehensive range of lenses now in the telephoto sector than Nikon, and they have some of the best bodies though the latest A1 II, A9 III, and the A7R VI are quite expensive vs. Nikon Z8. I personally value a bit different things such as ergonomics, subjective viewfinder quality, how well my hands fit around body and lens, and such things, but also support of existing lenses etc. I don't necessarily need high fps or the very best AF, though focus performance is definitely a factor. I think the 400/4.5 and 600/6.3 are not newbie lenses and those who buy into their first camera system are more likely to buy zooms as they are perceived as easier to use to get good compositions and a variety of subjects. Rather than update Nikon's 400/4.5 and 600/6.3 (which are fine lenses) I would like to see Nikon fill some gaps such as the 300/2.8 and a long zoom perhaps similar to Sony's 400-800 or Canon's 200-800. Despite the small aperture of the Canon 200-800 Canon lens, I've seen it used in the field and somehow not so much criticism towards the lens, rather the users hoping for better camera bodies and enjoying the range of the zoom in a portable housing. For my own use I am a bit regretful that Nikon decided on a 120-300/2.8 rather than a 300/2.8 prime, but I can deal with this choice (meaning I will use the existing lenses I have and not buy the 120-300/2.8).
Sep 17, 2026 at 05:41 AM
p.3 #9Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
Good points.
I think you have to consider new buyers vs potential switchers as separate groups. To me when you see those prices on B&H front page a new person is gonna be like 'oh it's white so it must be special and that is a lot less $$ than Nikon'. And once you're in...well you're in and it's hard to get out.
For the switchers I think it's a lower success rate as many will have handled Sony bodies and said 'yuck'.
My take is Sony wins over a good number of would be Nikon first timers on this deal but not too many switchers. I think Canon will suffer more significant losses as these new lenses draw yet another thick line under the terrible lack of options in the mid range Canon lineup.
I think you have to consider new buyers vs potential switchers as separate groups. To me when you see those prices on B&H front page a new person is gonna be like 'oh it's white so it must be special and that is a lot less $$ than Nikon'. And once you're in...well you're in and it's hard to get out.
For the switchers I think it's a lower success rate as many will have handled Sony bodies and said 'yuck'.
My take is Sony wins over a good number of would be Nikon first timers on this deal but not too many switchers. I think Canon will suffer more significant losses as these new lenses draw yet another thick line under the terrible lack of options in the mid range Canon lineup.
Sep 17, 2026 at 06:04 AM
p.3 #10Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
I already have the 180-600 but it gets heavy on hikes after a couple of hrs. Ordered the 1.4 TC and the 400 so that'll serve me well as a lightweight lens.
Savviest wrote:
Therein lies the biggest problem that Nikon faces. Less sales compared to Sony.
I hope Nikon comes out with a couple more bangers in the next few years.
That being said, I just picked up a 400 4.5 Z from the buy and sell section. The Sony releases finally pushed me over the edge to go towards a faster prime.Yeah, I think the biggest impact will be newbies looking at the prices and going to Sony. People like me who have nearly $18,000 of Nikon gear are very unlikely to switch over.
Enjoy your Z 400mm f/4.5! I had that lens and enjoyed it while I waited for the 180-600mm to finally be released.
Savviest wrote:
Sorrymanagement wrote
Here's how i look at the two new lenses. The Nikon primes are probably better and i'll wait for someone like Steve Perry to do some comparisons. But thanks to the marketing power of Sony and the more attractive prices, someone new trying to get into wildlife photography will gravitate towards these lenses than Nikon.Therein lies the biggest problem that Nikon faces. Less sales compared to Sony.
I hope Nikon comes out with a couple more bangers in the next few years.
That being said, I just picked up a 400 4.5 Z from the buy and sell section. The Sony releases finally pushed me over the edge to go towards a faster prime.
Enjoy your Z 400mm f/4.5! I had that lens and enjoyed it while I waited for the 180-600mm to finally be released.
Sep 17, 2026 at 07:43 AM
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p.3 #11Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
If anything, it is a mix of friend recommendations and social media videos that have the largest influence on what a new user might adopt. If you are a wildlife or sports photographer who has held onto their DSLRs until now, chances are that they will make a decision about the nuances between systems. If you are a new adoptee who has been impressed by a friend's photos or been convinced that photography might be a fun past time, you will likely begin with your experienced friend's advice. Finally, if you are young... let's say under 45... and you've decided to turn photography into a hobby, it is likely you will rely on YouTube video algorithms to make a decision. I think the latter is more important than anything "real" about the difference in systems, and in many ways, Sony is a winner in the algorithm war.
bruce
bruce
Sep 17, 2026 at 12:56 PM
p.3 #12Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
Nikon really got hosed by the amount of reviews making the Z6II and Z7II to be unusable cameras. They have their nitpicks yes, but they aren't as bad as some reviewers made them out to be but yeah. If you're going on YouTube it's a lot easier to find glowing Sony reviews than Nikon reviews unless you're looking for Z9/Z8/Z6III/ZF/Z5II reviews specifically.
OwlsEyes wrote:
If anything, it is a mix of friend recommendations and social media videos that have the largest influence on what a new user might adopt. If you are a wildlife or sports photographer who has held onto their DSLRs until now, chances are that they will make a decision about the nuances between systems. If you are a new adoptee who has been impressed by a friend's photos or been convinced that photography might be a fun past time, you will likely begin with your experienced friend's advice. Finally, if you are young... let's say under 45... and you've decided...Show more →
OwlsEyes wrote:
If anything, it is a mix of friend recommendations and social media videos that have the largest influence on what a new user might adopt. If you are a wildlife or sports photographer who has held onto their DSLRs until now, chances are that they will make a decision about the nuances between systems. If you are a new adoptee who has been impressed by a friend's photos or been convinced that photography might be a fun past time, you will likely begin with your experienced friend's advice. Finally, if you are young... let's say under 45... and you've decided...Show more →
Sep 17, 2026 at 02:19 PM
p.3 #13Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
JadedWriter wrote:
Nikon really got hosed by the amount of reviews making the Z6II and Z7II to be unusable cameras. They have their nitpicks yes, but they aren't as bad as some reviewers made them out to be but yeah. If you're going on YouTube it's a lot easier to find glowing Sony reviews than Nikon reviews unless you're looking for Z9/Z8/Z6III/ZF/Z5II reviews specifically.
OwlsEyes wrote
If anything, it is a mix of friend recommendations and social media videos that have the largest influence on what a new user might adopt. If you are a wildlife or sports photographer who has held onto their DSLRs until now, chances are that they will make a decision about the nuances between systems. If you are a new adoptee who has been impressed by a friend's photos or been convinced that photography might be a fun past time, you will likely begin with your experienced friend's advice. Finally, if you are young... let's say under 45... and you've decided to turn photography into a hobby, it is likely you will rely on YouTube video algorithms to make a decision. I think the latter is more important than anything "real" about the difference in systems, and in many ways, Sony is a winner in the algorithm war.bruce
Right, I’d say that Nikon has gotten much better at playing the algorithm game. My social media feeds are always full of positive reviews for Nikon’s new stuff, but it would help if Nikon actually released some products. I think this dry period will end soon—and it should.
Sep 17, 2026 at 02:36 PM
p.3 #14Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
I'm hoping the next thing they release is that rumored crop sensor camera. If it's legit I'm getting the 400 4.5 for that. If not, I'll just deal with getting the XF400 4.5 I guess.
groob wrote:
bruceRight, I’d say that Nikon has gotten much better at playing the algorithm game. My social media feeds are always full of positive reviews for Nikon’s new stuff, but it would help if Nikon actually released some products. I think this dry period will end soon—and it should.
groob wrote:
JadedWriter wrote
Nikon really got hosed by the amount of reviews making the Z6II and Z7II to be unusable cameras. They have their nitpicks yes, but they aren't as bad as some reviewers made them out to be but yeah. If you're going on YouTube it's a lot easier to find glowing Sony reviews than Nikon reviews unless you're looking for Z9/Z8/Z6III/ZF/Z5II reviews specifically.OwlsEyes wrote
If anything, it is a mix of friend recommendations and social media videos that have the largest influence on what a new user might adopt. If you are a wildlife or sports photographer who has held onto their DSLRs until now, chances are that they will make a decision about the nuances between systems. If you are a new adoptee who has been impressed by a friend's photos or been convinced that photography might be a fun past time, you will likely begin with your experienced friend's advice. Finally, if you are young... let's say under 45... and you've decided to turn photography into a hobby, it is likely you will rely on YouTube video algorithms to make a decision. I think the latter is more important than anything "real" about the difference in systems, and in many ways, Sony is a winner in the algorithm war.bruce
Sep 17, 2026 at 02:59 PM
p.3 #15Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
Blimey i am a sony shooter ,but you have to admire competition ,i was glad when nikon released lightweight teles becuase i knew some one would try to emulate either sony or canon ,what sony does not have is built in t/c lenses and the first one to do this on a lens sub 6k will be the next great achievement ,things are sort of levelling out although sony are playing another game with sensors where they will not allow the use of there so called sensors to other manufacturers for 3 years like the latest a75 ,so i guess its always two steps to the shoe shine in this regard ,but then nikon seem to achieve more with a sensor ?canon i predict will have a strong 2027 will we see the rumored 200-500mm f5.6 with a built in t/c ,they can always drop the 3rd party lens limitations if they want to remain no1 also. and nikon will release the 100-300mm f2.8 with built in t/c just to keep busy.
Sep 18, 2026 at 03:38 PM
p.3 #16Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
groob wrote:
That said, it’s getting harder and harder to argue against taking a serious look at Sony.
Their lens lineup is simply far more versatile than what Nikon currently offers, especially now that Sony has closed the gap on lightweight telephotos.
Cinema bodies, photo bodies, global shutter sensors, stacked action sensors, stacked high-resolution sensors, non stacked options and a massive selection of third-party lenses.
Sony has built out an incredibly complete system. Nikon still makes some fantastic cameras, but the overall ecosystem gap is becoming pretty hard to ignore.
My guess is that Nikon’s shift toward more cinema and video-focused bodies and lenses is a big part of why things feel so held up on the traditional photo side right now. There is clearly a lot of development happening, but it looks like much of that attention is being directed toward building out the video ecosystem and Red integration.I am confused where I said Nikon wasn't capable- I am saying Sony is becoming harder to ignore.My question every time I see this is the same … what specific gaps are you referencing? What performance are you missing on the Nikon side? What can you shoot on Sony you can’t on Nikon, or at least cannot easily shoot on Nikon? I have a hard time seeing gaps in Nikon’s lens lineup outside of a couple unique offerings. I also have no idea what people think they can do with, e.g., 60 megapixels you can’t do with 45. And, finally, there is not a single circumstance where my Z9 or Z6iii struggles to focus. Users across systems...Show more →
I have both systems. I use the sony 14mm f1.8 prime. I think there is even a 14mm f1.4 sigma prime. Nikon??
RustyRus wrote
JadedWriter wrote
Please go into my Flickr library and please tell me what I haven't been able to do or would be able to do better by switching to Sony again.RustyRus wrote
Well, the good news for all of us Nikon fans is that they’re developing some new firmware! They’re also developing some new cinema lenses!That said, it’s getting harder and harder to argue against taking a serious look at Sony.
Their lens lineup is simply far more versatile than what Nikon currently offers, especially now that Sony has closed the gap on lightweight telephotos.
Cinema bodies, photo bodies, global shutter sensors, stacked action sensors, stacked high-resolution sensors, non stacked options and a massive selection of third-party lenses.
Sony has built out an incredibly complete system. Nikon still makes some fantastic cameras, but the overall ecosystem gap is becoming pretty hard to ignore.
My guess is that Nikon’s shift toward more cinema and video-focused bodies and lenses is a big part of why things feel so held up on the traditional photo side right now. There is clearly a lot of development happening, but it looks like much of that attention is being directed toward building out the video ecosystem and Red integration.
I have both systems. I use the sony 14mm f1.8 prime. I think there is even a 14mm f1.4 sigma prime. Nikon??
Sep 18, 2026 at 07:34 PM
p.3 #17Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
RustyRus wrote:
i'm not switching from iOS to Android just because the new Google Pixel comes out with a better camera. Android has a lot more choices, different versions of foldables across different OEMs...i'm still not switching.
That said, it’s getting harder and harder to argue against taking a serious look at Sony.
Their lens lineup is simply far more versatile than what Nikon currently offers, especially now that Sony has closed the gap on lightweight telephotos.
Cinema bodies, photo bodies, global shutter sensors, stacked action sensors, stacked high-resolution sensors, non stacked options and a massive selection of third-party lenses.
Sony has built out an incredibly complete system. Nikon still makes some fantastic cameras, but the overall ecosystem gap is becoming pretty hard to ignore.
My guess is that Nikon’s shift toward more cinema and video-focused bodies and lenses is a big part of why things feel so held up on the traditional photo side right now. There is clearly a lot of development happening, but it looks like much of that attention is being directed toward building out the video ecosystem and Red integration.So what you are saying is Android is compelling but you don't want to switch?
I Never said there was a problem. I said Sony’s lineup is becoming increasingly compelling. Its cinema, photography, and video portfolio is getting harder and harder to ignore.
I don’t care if you switch systems or stay with Nikon for the rest of your life. That’s completely beside the point.I own Nikon- I love their gear- You are just so biased you can't have an actual conversation around it. Thats what this whole thread was about originally! I apologize to all the Nikon apologists here if I offended anyone.
Moving on
don't worry, some people are just very defensive over the gear they own...
I use both sony and nikon and I do see advantages on both sides.
Nikon biggest adv to me is the camera bodies. The nikon Z8 is the best stacked sensor camera I can buy at this budget. It is amazingly cheap in my country, like 2.8k usd NEW with a free 40mm f2 lens , extra battery. Fastest readout with electronic sensor, no EFCS bokeh issue at high shutter speed, 1/16000 shutter speed for f1.2 lens outdoors. The ZR is also amazing with the 4" lcd screen which sony does not have. The plena is also unique I feel not found in E mount.
Sony, like you said, they have SOOO MANY lens.... things like 14mm prime at f1.8 or f1.4. Solid native f1.4 primes what does not have weird classic bokeh like nikon f1.4 primes. 28-70mm f2 and 50-150mm f2 lens. So I still keep a a7r5 and zve1 so I have access to native E mount.
dalegaspi wrote
lol you are trying so hard to rile up the actual Nikon enjoyers and you're failing spectacularly.RustyRus wrote
dalegaspi wrote
i'm sorry, what is the problem?i'm not switching from iOS to Android just because the new Google Pixel comes out with a better camera. Android has a lot more choices, different versions of foldables across different OEMs...i'm still not switching.
RustyRus wrote
Well, the good news for all of us Nikon fans is that they’re developing some new firmware! They’re also developing some new cinema lenses!That said, it’s getting harder and harder to argue against taking a serious look at Sony.
Their lens lineup is simply far more versatile than what Nikon currently offers, especially now that Sony has closed the gap on lightweight telephotos.
Cinema bodies, photo bodies, global shutter sensors, stacked action sensors, stacked high-resolution sensors, non stacked options and a massive selection of third-party lenses.
Sony has built out an incredibly complete system. Nikon still makes some fantastic cameras, but the overall ecosystem gap is becoming pretty hard to ignore.
My guess is that Nikon’s shift toward more cinema and video-focused bodies and lenses is a big part of why things feel so held up on the traditional photo side right now. There is clearly a lot of development happening, but it looks like much of that attention is being directed toward building out the video ecosystem and Red integration.
I Never said there was a problem. I said Sony’s lineup is becoming increasingly compelling. Its cinema, photography, and video portfolio is getting harder and harder to ignore.
I don’t care if you switch systems or stay with Nikon for the rest of your life. That’s completely beside the point.
Moving on
don't worry, some people are just very defensive over the gear they own...
I use both sony and nikon and I do see advantages on both sides.
Nikon biggest adv to me is the camera bodies. The nikon Z8 is the best stacked sensor camera I can buy at this budget. It is amazingly cheap in my country, like 2.8k usd NEW with a free 40mm f2 lens , extra battery. Fastest readout with electronic sensor, no EFCS bokeh issue at high shutter speed, 1/16000 shutter speed for f1.2 lens outdoors. The ZR is also amazing with the 4" lcd screen which sony does not have. The plena is also unique I feel not found in E mount.
Sony, like you said, they have SOOO MANY lens.... things like 14mm prime at f1.8 or f1.4. Solid native f1.4 primes what does not have weird classic bokeh like nikon f1.4 primes. 28-70mm f2 and 50-150mm f2 lens. So I still keep a a7r5 and zve1 so I have access to native E mount.
Sep 18, 2026 at 07:46 PM
p.3 #18Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
Good thing about running more than one system is I can cherry-pick the best items. My front-line MILC systems are Nikon and Sony. Seeing Sony step into the small super-tele market that Nikon pioneered is both validation for Nikon and a fresh opportunity for me. 
Yes, I'm buying the Sony 400 because I already own a Nikkor 300/2.8.
Yes, I'm buying the Sony 400 because I already own a Nikkor 300/2.8.Sep 18, 2026 at 08:32 PM
p.3 #19Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
It would be great if Nikon does something disruptive like introducing a 600mm f4.5 at 2kg and half the price of the 600mm f4, and provide built in teleconverter for non pro lenses like the 189-600mm.
In the meantime, I’m stuck with my significantly overweight 70-200mm f2.8 I, and now also the 600mm f6.3 PF since they still work well for me although I keep grumbling about the weight
In the meantime, I’m stuck with my significantly overweight 70-200mm f2.8 I, and now also the 600mm f6.3 PF since they still work well for me although I keep grumbling about the weight
Sep 18, 2026 at 11:33 PM
p.3 #20Prices of the Z 600mm f/6.3 PF and Z 400mm f/4.5 after Sony's announcement.
cxcheng wrote:
It would be great if Nikon does something disruptive like introducing a 600mm f4.5 at 2kg and half the price of the 600mm f4, and provide built in teleconverter for non pro lenses like the 189-600mm.
In the meantime, I’m stuck with my significantly overweight 70-200mm f2.8 I, and now also the 600mm f6.3 PF since they still work well for me although I keep grumbling about the weight
Never heard anyone grunble about the weight of the 600PF
it's still a crazy light 600mm prime. I'd still pick the 600PF over the Sony 600 6.3GM. why? Look at the number of elements between them, physics still apply. The Sony has far less elements seated closer together, meaning it will not have internal corrections that the Nikon has, I'm betting it's not as sharp, worse bokeh (I see it in all samples I've reviewed), distortion and chromatic aberration exist. I wanted something lighter than the 180-600 , with very high IQ. The 600pf is exactly that. I don't understand how some people suddenly find a light lens "heavy" after another competitor releases one a few hundred grams lighter. At the end of the day they're both light so it doesn't matter, unless you have some serious physical issue, where I would then say you should start some weight training! We aren't talking about super heavy F4 tele primes here, these are featherweight primes. The Nikon 600pf was light before the Sony announcement and is still light today lol Sep 19, 2026 at 12:40 AM