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Interesting. We've had the two sample copies we use for evaluation, then the eight copies of each we keep in stock and I haven't noticed a significant difference at all between them so far as sample variation. Sounds like one of us is having better luck than the other.


It was a problem common enough with the 24-70 GM II that there was an entire thread on the Sony forum discussing how the lens was frequently soft on one side of the frame. It seems to be a hallmark of Sony lens production - the first six months or more of inconsistent manufacturing quality before they get things sorted out and the sample variation improves. It still makes me hesitant to buy either the 24-70 or 16-35 GM II lenses again.



I am surprised you've never seen it. Even leaving corrections on in LR will only cut it in half without further editing.


Well, I don't shoot test charts, so maybe that explains it...?




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I agree, definitely Leica will have to be a long term goal for me because of the cost. My sensless economics tells my brain that spending a couple of thousand dollars here and there on one or two lenses or bodies every year is cheaper than dishing out $30,000+ up front for a Leica outfit. Of course, when you add up how much I've spent on gear over the past 10 years it surpasses that initial Leica outfit up front cost (In my OP, I only listed the gear I currently have, not all the gear I've had and sold
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I haven't responded to this threat, and have kind of watched as it evolved because I think there really is no answer to the zooms vs. primes dilemma and it usually boils down to personal preference for how one likes to shoot. That said, like the OP I build my kit to a large extent around travel. I also shot Sony for about a decade and now shoot Canon.

So here are my preferences for travel. I don't want zooms or primes. My kit often combines both. I think for ultra wide to wide, a zoom can be a great option and covers what would take at least 2 primes and in this way saves weight and space. Both Sony and Canon has some very good ultra wide to wide options depending on how wide you want to go, but I prefer Canon's options. For Canon you have 3 excellent choices all of which are pretty small. If you want to go all the way to 14mm the 14-35 f/4 L is a great option. If 16mm is wide enough the 16-28 f/2.8 IS is also a really good choice and if you can live with 20mm as your widest focal length then the new 20-50 f/4L is a really good choice. Sony also has what I think are two very good options in the 16-35 f/4 PZ and the 16-24 f/2.8 G, but those of course work best if you want 16mm as your widest focal length and I don't think I prefer either over the Canon 16-28 f/2.8 IS, but they are solid options if you go with Sony. I like having one of these ultra wide to wide angle zooms, but at times I want a small 21mm instead for the smallest kit possible. For that I go with the MF Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5. That can work well with either system, but that is my personal preference.

I think supplement the ultra wide to wide zoom or the 21mm lens with a fast 40 or a 50 mm lens. Personally that is usually the Voigtlander 40 f/1.2. That is available on either system, but the OP probably wants and AF lens. On Canon he could pick either the 45 f/1.2 if he likes its flaws/character or the 50 f/1.4L VCM. If he wanted to go really small he could go with the 50 f/1.8, which is an old design but very much a classic double gauss with all that goes with that (a bit soft wide open with less than perfect bokeh, low lateral CA, but a fair amount of axial CA, but excellent stopped down performance across the board) On Sony he likely would want the 50 f/1.4 GM, and if he wants to go small the 40 or 50 f/2.5 G is an excellent choice as are the Viltrox f/1.8 and Sigma f/2. The Canon VCM and Sony f/1.4 GM are very similar lenses or at least they seem to be to me.I ruled out the f/1.2 AF lenses as they are too big for travel in my book.

Finally, I often add to these two lenses a short tele, which I like in travel both for landscapes and portraits. There are a lot of good small choices for each system. If you like MF like I do there is the Voigtlander 75 f/1.5. The Thypoch 75 f/1.4 also adapts well to both systems. If you want AF, then there are several great choices on Sony including the Sony 85 f/1.8, the Zeiss Batis 85 f/1.8, and the Sigma 90 f/2.8 if you want to go really small. On Canon I really like the 85 f/2 Macro IS as an AF option. It is a great a versatile lens and not that big. I also sometimes like to swap out the prime for tele and go with a 100-400 slow zoom. Both systems now have a 100-400 f/5.6-8 and I have th Canon zoom and despite its really slow aperture I like, especially in good light, of course.

Finally, if you like the smaller A7C cameras for Sony, then for Canon you might want to consider the Canon R8 II that is about to be announced. That is basically your R6 II in a smaller body int he same way that the A7C series are the A7 cameras in a smaller body. I think with the Mark II version Canon will finally be providing a more capable body for small camera lovers. Personally that is not me as I find the smaller cameras too small and prefer a medium sized camera, but of course choice is a good thing.




Sep 06, 2026 at 10:31 AM
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Man I don’t know how do you even pick something to shoot with. I would sell majority of what you have and consolidate to one camera and 3-4 lenses. Find out which depth of field you shoot the most and buy the best version there is for it.


Sep 06, 2026 at 11:44 AM
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Man I don’t know how do you even pick something to shoot with.


It is easy, the OP does not have a clue what gear he wants or should use, and even after receiving all the feedback given here he still will not know.



Sep 06, 2026 at 12:03 PM
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It is easy, the OP does not have a clue what gear he wants or should use, and even after receiving all the feedback given here he still will not know.


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Sep 06, 2026 at 12:33 PM
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...I think there really is no answer to the zooms vs. primes dilemma and it usually boils down to personal preference for how one likes to shoot...


I kind of agree, though I think there are some ways to think about which option makes the most sense. It mostly depends on what sort of subjects you photograph and the conditions in which you photograph them. It isn't so much about definitively convincing someone that one or the other is "best." It is more about thinking how the two options match up to what one does photographically.

In terms of performance and suitability, each has its pluses and minuses.

Prime lenses usually, at least with the best of them, are capable of the lowest distortion levels as measured on the test bench. They may be capable of lower levels of vignetting. They are available with much larger maximum apertures. In most cases they can provide smaller and lighter options than zooms with the same maximum apertures. They are almost always required for certain kinds os specialized photography: serious macro photography, tilt/shift techniques*, and arguably for some kinds of very long lenses.

Zoom lenses allow the photographer to precisely fine-tine compositions in-camera, lessening the need to crop in post, and thus retaining the full original file resolution. One zoom can effectively cover the focal lengths that would otherwise require multiple primes. The image quality of the best zooms is functionally equal to that of very good primes at most apertures. There are far less lens changes when using zoom lenses.

*There are ways to combine zoom lenses with tilt/shift techniques...

Many photographers combine zoom and prime lenses. For example, a photographer who mostly uses zooms — and these days that is most photographers — may have a macro prime or two, might own a large aperture telephoto (if they photograph wildlife or sports), might have a large aperture prime or two for portraits, and/or might have some extra small primes with smaller maximum apertures for things like street and travel photography.

But underlying all of this is the need for photographers to think very carefully about what and and how they photograph, and to then be a bit ruthless about paring down their kits. I know this from experience. There was a time when (in my landscape photography) I believed that zooms were inferior for my work and that primes would produce meaningfully better image quality, yet in some cases zooms were critical for careful framing and for situations where lens changes were not advised or where carrying a tone of lenses wasn't realistic. At that time I regularly went out with a bag full of something like 9-10 lenses including some very good zoom and prime lenses.

That was not fun, and it really did not improve my photographs.

The more I worked with the gear, the more I realized that the advantages that I believed primes provided in terms of image quality were actually quite elusive in all but a few special situations. I gradually sold off (or gave away) virtually all of the primes in that set and retained the zoom lenses.

Meanwhile, I set up a separate smaller system for street and travel photography that was based around a small set of primes, because there the smaller size and weight was important.




Sep 06, 2026 at 12:33 PM
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Something relevant here the OP mentioned in a related recent thread "Fujifilm or Sony APS-C for Travel?" in this post https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1954378/3#17095872

"...when I'm using whatever camera, I have it around my neck"

The OP found this "excruciatingly painful" during the time spent in Tokyo this summer where their "primary outfit was a Canon R6II with an RF 24-105mm f4.0L and an RF 16-28mm f2.8 STM."
I believe the principal interest of the OP is in acquiring a camera system that should be less stressful when carried around the neck (if my understanding is correct).



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I kind of agree, though I think there are some ways to think about which option makes the most sense. It mostly depends on what sort of subjects you photograph and the conditions in which you photograph them. It isn't so much about definitively convincing someone that one or the other is "best." It is more about thinking how the two options match up to what one does photographically.

In terms of performance and suitability, each has its pluses and minuses.

Prime lenses usually, at least with the best of them, are capable of the lowest distortion levels as measured on
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I agree with you regarding having/needing a mix of zooms & primes for a given task or occasion. For my trip to Japan last month I ended up going with my R6II, RF 24-105mm f4.0L, and RF 16-28mm f2.8 STM. I let my kid borrow my OM-5 with a Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8 G2. The original idea I had in mind when I purchased the RF 24-105mm f4.0L fir this trip was to use it as my main lens and bring along my tiny RF 16mm f2.8 STM prime for wide shots. I ended up "playing it safe" by bringing my RF 16-28mm f2.8 instead of my 16mm just in case I needed it for composition purposes. I did use both lenses throughout the trip, but I also left it in my hotel room the last few days and took my OM-5 out instead. I used my OM-5 those last few days for three main reason:

1. I was tired of walking around the city with my R6II + RF 24-105mm f4.0L around my neck all day.

2. I had already captured the images went there to get, so those last few days didn't require large files. They were just fun shopping days.

3. Rain started picking up, and I didn't want to risk my R6II outfit.

Now that I know what to expect if I ever go back to Japan, I'll probably just take my OM-5 with a couple of lenses and a cellphone as my backup camera.

However, despite having been to Spain several times, I would still definitely take my FF frame gear with me again next time I visit. Very different shooting experience than with Japan. Same with other European countries.

Each different location requires a case by case analysis on what gear would be best suited for me to take.



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ruthenium wrote:
Something relevant here the OP mentioned in a related recent thread "Fujifilm or Sony APS-C for Travel?" in this post https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1954378/3#17095872

"...when I'm using whatever camera, I have it around my neck"

The OP found this "excruciatingly painful" during the time spent in Tokyo this summer where their "primary outfit was a Canon R6II with an RF 24-105mm f4.0L and an RF 16-28mm f2.8 STM."
I believe the principal interest of the OP is in acquiring a camera system that should be less stressful when carried around the neck (if my understanding is correct).



Exactly!! Thank you!! That is extremely relevant to this entire thread because of the weight distribution I'm carrying at all times while traveling! In addition to the strain on my neck, I have the added weight of the backpack that is loaded up with essential things.

This was why I was also contemplating the idea of going with Fuji, which brings us back to the original overall theme of my OP; I'm at a crossroads regarding what system I need to throw money into; (a "trinity" lens, lighter primes, an overall lighter system, etc.)

Thank you for bringing this up!



Sep 06, 2026 at 01:05 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I kind of agree, though I think there are some ways to think about which option makes the most sense. It mostly depends on what sort of subjects you photograph and the conditions in which you photograph them. It isn't so much about definitively convincing someone that one or the other is "best." It is more about thinking how the two options match up to what one does photographically.

In terms of performance and suitability, each has its pluses and minuses.

Prime lenses usually, at least with the best of them, are capable of the lowest distortion levels as measured on
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It is interesting that the meaning of a "prime" as a fixed focal-length lens changes when using a large format system.
For example, the Fujifilm GF 45mm F2.8 lens is 35.5mm F2.2 on a GFX100 body, but this is also a 45mm F2.8 lens in the full-frame crop, and can be further cropped to 32MP 63mm F4.
Thus, this prime lens is effectively a 35.5-63mm F2.2-4.0 variable aperture zoom.
This lens weight: 490 grams (total 1.37 kg with the GFX100S II camera body) - I shall be comfortable carrying this system in a holster bag, for travel.



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A couple of years ago I owned an A7c with several lenses including the Sony 40mm f2.5 G. Yes, I agree with you, it's a very good compact lens. My only issue with it was that I had to exchange two decentered copies before I git a good one. Same with a Sony 85mm f1.8. Unfortunately I sold that camera and several lenses because I thought I was going to use only Canon gear. Three months later I ended up re-purchasing another A7c plus the 3 Tamron lenses I currently own.

I've only owned Sigma lenses in F mount, so I
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Do you print your images? One lens that hardly gets any mention here is the Sony 15/1.4 G. It's an aps-c lens but I tried with my A7V and it works really well. I seldom print but I tried it with the Super Resolution feature in Photoshop and it works really well.



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Do you print your images? One lens that hardly gets any mention here is the Sony 15/1.4 G. It's an aps-c lens but I tried with my A7V and it works really well. I seldom print but I tried it with the Super Resolution feature in Photoshop and it works really well.


I haven't printed in years except for the occasional prints I get whenever I test out a film camera that I buy.



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I haven't printed in years except for the occasional prints I get whenever I test out a film camera that I buy.


ok so you probably don't need to upsize the image if you use an aps-c lens on a full frame camera. It's an equivalent of a 23/2 lens on A7V. It's a very small and light lens.



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There's always an exception to every rule. Thank you for pointing this out though. You are right. That's been your experience.

I'll stand by what I said as well. I was referencing end game lenses and spending years trying out different lenses. I don't believe people accomplish that in a year. It takes longer than that to learn a system and it's lenses.

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Actually, I know several who build a new kit in a month or two. But they’re all seasoned photographers who decided to change systems for whatever reason and know their needs. The caveat is manufacturers keep bringing out newer and usually better in some way bodies and lenses, 1st or 3rd party, that have features desired. So said kit may in fact be fluid, but the basics don’t change; two bodies and these lenses. I may decide to get the 28-70/2 GM to try compared to my 24-70/2.8 GMii, so in that there is a change but not necessarily
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jojib wrote:
ok so you probably don't need to upsize the image if you use an aps-c lens on a full frame camera. It's an equivalent of a 23/2 lens on A7V. It's a very small and light lens.

I have to call BS here.
If you use a 15mm APS-C lens on a FF camera, you either use it in APS-C crop mode (so that of course it exactly remains the same, only, in the case of the A7V, with lower resolution), or you use it actually in full frame mode (which with most lenses gives black borders), and then the focal length will be 15mm*2/3 = 10mm (if there were no black borders because the lens covers the FF image circle).



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I have to call BS here.
If you use a 15mm APS-C lens on a FF camera, you either use it in APS-C crop mode (so that of course it exactly remains the same, only, in the case of the A7V, with lower resolution), or you use it actually in full frame mode (which with most lenses gives black borders), and then the focal length will be 15mm*2/3 = 10mm (if there were no black borders because the lens covers the FF image circle).


Yes it was a lower resolution that is why I tried the Super Resolution via Photoshop. I probably don’t need it especially for just posting it on Instagram. I stand by the 23/2. At first I was interested in the Batis 25/2 but since I have the Sony I saved myself some money. Anyway, it looks like this

on A7V






SONY ILCE-7M5
1/1600s f/1.4 at 15.0mm iso100

on A6700






Sony Alpha α6700
1/4000s f/1.4 at 15.0mm iso100



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I ended up "playing it safe" by bringing my RF 16-28mm f2.8 instead of my 16mm just in case I needed it for composition purposes. I did use both lenses throughout the trip, but I also left it in my hotel room the last few days and took my OM-5 out instead. I used my OM-5 those last few days for three main reason:


Two things.

First, it is a good plan to leave things at your hotel (in a secure place) when you don’t need them. I often do that. Sometimes I want to go out with just a single small prime, so I’ll leave the other lenses behind. Or perhaps I’m going to visit a cathedral where I think that a normal and wide focal length will do the trick, and I’ll leave my longest lens behind.

Second, about “playing it safe…” I used to do that when traveling. I’d imagine some particular sort of shot that might come up and then worry that I’d miss it if I didn’t bring a diverse enough set of lenses. Back in the early days more than a dozen years ago (before I switched to a Fujifilm APS-C system for travel) I brought my full frame DSLR and up to three L zoom lenses.

As I think you understand, three good sized zoom lenses plus a full frame body adds up to quite a bit of weight and bulk.

At about the same time that I added the smaller system to my FF system, we also decided that we prefer to minimize the luggage we carry when traveling. Actually, my wife gets the credit for pushing me in that direction. I resisted at first, again posing those “what if?” questions, but eventually saw the advantages. We now generally travel (including international trips of up to 10 weeks) with nothing beyond carry-on luggage.

The larger lenses and cameras don’t fit that approach very well. I gradually worked my way down to a three prime set of Fujifilm’s APS-C lenses — 14mm f/2.8, 27mm f/2.8, and 50mm f/2. (Equivalent angles of view to full frame 21mm, 41mm, and 75mm.) Considering that when i use my FF system for landscape photography I cover, with no gaps, the range from 16mm to 560mm, that’s quite a change.

Yes, I worried about not having the right lenses for every possible shot. However, I also (re)learned that we “see” photographically with the lenses we have. In cases where I might stick a longer zoom on a camera if I had it, I could almost always find another way to shoot the subject with one of those primes. Were there a few outlier situations in which I really could not do much without, say, a 100-400? Sure, but not often. And on the other hand, there were many situations where I got shots that I would not have gotten if I were carrying a large full frame camera with a big zoom lens.




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Two things.

First, it is a good plan to leave things at your hotel (in a secure place) when you don’t need them. I often do that. Sometimes I want to go out with just a single small prime, so I’ll leave the other lenses behind. Or perhaps I’m going to visit a cathedral where I think that a normal and wide focal length will do the trick, and I’ll leave my longest lens behind.

Second, about “playing it safe…” I used to do that when traveling. I’d imagine some particular sort of shot that might come up and then worry that
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Going with a minimalist approach is my ultimate goal as well!

I've noticed that when I travel alone, I pack less and take less gear. However, when I travel with anyone I become a "self appointed documentarian" and pack more gear. I am actually somewhat proud of myself for having gone with only two cameras and three lenses on last month's trip to Japan with my kid! The "old me" would've definitely overpacked for that trip. 😀

You would be the perfect person to ask regarding your thoughts on Fuji. I'm a bit disappointed with APS-C after my R7, but it could be that I had a bad copy. My old 7dmk2 actually yielded nicer images than my R7, but that's a completely different topic. I have heard great things about Fuji. Coming from Full Frame, how do you like the results you are getting with your Fuji system compared to FF?



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To me it sounds like - in part - you like collecting equipment and changing it out sometimes. You want to have a Leica at some point, but will it permit the kind of shooting you want, or would you have to keep another system?

You are way more invested in the Canon ecosystem than Sony's, and you like Canon's ergonomics better. Is the performance difference really so large that you couldn't sell the Sony system in favor of a used Leica and a used lens? Enjoy the Leica, use the Canon for things where AF is needed. I am assuming you should be able to get the 4-5k for the Sony system that would fund a used M10. Then pick up a Voigtlander lens, or some vintage Leica glass to see if you really love the rangefinder experience and want to commit?

I imagine you could also sell a lot of your Canon glass - e.g., why have the 24-240? It seems like when you want to use that for ease of use for travel/casual photography that you would be better served by also enjoying the small size of your m4/3 system. You could get rid of the 16mm and 24mm STM primes since you have the 16-28 (unless you love those, but if you are getting a Leica it seems to defeat the purpose of having the RF system be as small as possible?). As Steve mentions, you could get the R8.

Could you also sell most/all of the EF equipment? Or do you find yourself using it a lot? It just seems like you have a lot of things that duplicate each other AND if you get a Leica it would also duplicate other things you have, so you might be able to fund it easier than you think (and I don't really see the reason to committing to 30k of Leica equipment rather than stepping into it and growing your system over time the more you use it).




Sep 06, 2026 at 04:46 PM
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You would be the perfect person to ask regarding your thoughts on Fuji… I have heard great things about Fuji. Coming from Full Frame, how do you like the results you are getting with your Fuji system compared to FF?


I’ll try to keep this somewhat short since I don’t want to spam the forum of another brand to talk about Fujifilm. (If you want to know more, you might post a question in the Fujifilm forum.)

I have used a Fujifilm system to augment my non-fujifilm full frame system for about a dozen years. It is my primary system for street and travel photography. I currently use the XT5, and for travel I usually carry the 14mm f/2.8, 27mm f/2.8 pancake, and 50mm f/2. I own other lenses for the system, but I won’t describe them here.

The size and weight of the system are great for travel. The whole thing fits in a small non-photography shoulder bag that is my “personal item” on flights. The image quality from the camera and those lenses is excellent. I am confident of being able to produce excellent 20” x 30” prints and sometimes larger.

While I rely on a larger format for my landscape and most of my wildlife photography, for many photographers doing travel/street photography using handheld cameras the advantages of the larger system may not amount to much in real world terms.

At the same time I can see building a travel system around something like the Sony A7CR or similar.



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