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Disclaimer: Please do not read or respond to this post if you are easily annoyed/offended by questions about gear, or if you live by the mantra "just get out there and shoot", or "cameras/lenses are just tools". This Canon/Sony forum is about discussing gear and is not a platform for grumpy, rude, condescending trolls to criticize or belittle anyone who dares to ask questions about gear. Also, this is not about GAS. It's a legitimate question about gear.

So, here's my question/dilemma:

I'm at a crossroads regarding gear at this time. I currently have the following:

- Sony A7c
- Sony A7iv
- Tamron 17-28mm f2.8
- Tamron 20-40mm f2.8
- Tamron 28-200mm f2.8-5.6

- Canon R6II
- Canon 7dmk2
- RF 16mm f2.8 STM
- RF 24mm f1.8 Macro
- RF 28mm f2.8 STM
- RF 35mm f1.8 Macro
- RF 50mm f1.8 STM
- RF 16-28mm f2.8 STM
- RF 24-240mm f4-6.3
- RF 24-105mm f4.0L
- EF-S 17-55mm f2.8 USM
- EF 28mm f1.8 USM
- EF 50mm f1.8 STM
- EF 85mm f1.8 USM
- EF 100mm f2.8L Macro
- EF 300mm f4.0L
- EF 17-40mm f4.0L
- EF 70-200mm f2.8L

- OM System OM-5
- OM System 45-150mm f4 Pro
- Olympus 30mm f3.5 Macro
- Olympus 60mm f2.8 Macro
- Pan/Leica 9mm f1.7
- Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8 G2
- Panasonic 17mm f2.5 G

- Way too many film cameras (35mm and 120) to list including bodies and lenses from Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Minolta, Konica, Mamiya.

My "crossroad" issue is if I should invest in either GM glass for my two Sonys, or L glass for my one Canon (I rarely use my 7dmk2 anymore). The lenses I'd like to get are the "trinity" lenses; 16-35mm f2.8 (or 15 to 35mm f2.8 if we're talking Canon), 24-70mm f2.8, and 70-200mm f2.8. My reason for my crossroad dilemma is that I really don't love my A7iv (uncomfortable ergonomics and the fact that I have to shoot 100% manual for every single situation because it doesn't work as efficiently in Aperture Priority + Auto ISO as my R6II does). However, it yields better images in terms of detail capture than my R6II, and the AF tracking is way better than on my R6II. As for my R6II, it weighs a bit too much for travel, and the L lenses will make it even heavier. I carried it attatched to my RF 24-105mm f4.0L while in Japan for two weeks, and I regretted it after the first few hours of walking with it.

If I had the money, I would probably ditch everything and go with a Leica rangefinder plus 3 lenses. But I don't have Leica money.

As you've probably guessed by now, I enjoy travel photography, but I also like to shoot wildlife when possible. I'm not a fan of heavy equipment, but I prefer FF over smaller sensors. Getting a new R8II to use with my tiny RF primes might not be a bad idea, but weather sealing is important to me. The tiny RF primes are not weather sealed, so that's a bit of an issue for me.

While I like the idea of investing in the "trinity" zooms for either Sony FE or Canon RF, I'm not opposed to doing a 3 prime lens option with either 3 fast Canon L primes or 3 fast Sony GM primes. But, it all boils down to which camera I tolerate the most since I don't absolutely love any one of them. I would hate to throw L or GM money into a system that would end up just irritating me further down the line. As for ditching everything and going with Nikon, that's not going to happen. I used to be a big Nikon fan for decades until they ditched the F mount and I was stuck with several dozen obsolete AF-D lenses. I reward companies that have zero customer loyalty with not buying their products ever again. Fujifilm might be an option, but APS-C as my main outfit is not appealing to me. Maybe their medium format cameras might be an option, but I don't know enough about them.

Respectful, non-dismissive, non-condescending, well thought out suggestions from actual members (not marketing influencers) are welcome. Thanks!

Edit: I forgot to add; my reason for wanting faster L or GM lenses is because I need durable, weather sealed lenses with good optical performance to use under all types of adverse conditions.

Sep 05, 2026 at 05:48 AM

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Whatever you end up doing, I would suggest renting. It's the only way you might be able to address your "I would hate to throw L or GM money into a system that would end up just irritating me further down the line" concern. And as for Nikon, Canon abandoned all the FD mount users when they went to EF. That torqued a lot of people as well.

Not much help here, but I'm happy with my Sony FF and Fujifilm GFX equipment. Different people are happy with different things, and for me, the right path for me is not the right path for everyone. While renting isn't cheap, it may be the only way for you to really "own" your path.

Sep 05, 2026 at 06:38 AM

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I would keep the R6II and the RF 16-28mm 2.8 STM (it is good and has a basic weather sealing). May be also the RF 24-240 as a superzoom for traveling at sunny weather. And sell all the other stuff.
To complement the 16-28 I would buy the RF 70-200 2.8 Z only. It’s costs but it is worth every penny. It replaces all your current lenses including your macro if your are not shooting 1:1 macro.
Only if needed you can add one of the RF 1.4 VCM lenses depending on your preferred or most used focal length.
That will work also with the upcoming R8II.
In my opinion RF 15-35 2.8 and RF 24-70 2.8 are too big and heavy for R8 series.

Sep 05, 2026 at 06:43 AM

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tsdevine wrote:
Whatever you end up doing, I would suggest renting. It's the only way you might be able to address your "I would hate to throw L or GM money into a system that would end up just irritating me further down the line" concern. And as for Nikon, Canon abandoned all the FD mount users when they went to EF. That torqued a lot of people as well.

Not much help here, but I'm happy with my Sony FF and Fujifilm GFX equipment. Different people are happy with different things, and for me, the right path for me is not...Show more →

Thank you! Renting is a very good option. Maybe if I had rented my current gear prior to buying, I would have made different choices (especially regarding the lenses I currently own). With cameras it might be a bit difficult to tell by renting if it's a solid choice or not, unless I rent the lens I want at the same time and use them both together. That being said, my R6II would've has me fooled for several weeks because it felt so ergonomically perfect in my hand!

Sep 05, 2026 at 06:46 AM

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tomba8tomba wrote:
I would keep the R6II and the RF 16-28mm 2.8 STM (it is good and has a basic weather sealing). May be also the RF 24-240 as a superzoom for traveling at sunny weather. And sell all the other stuff.
To complement the 16-28 I would buy the RF 70-200 2.8 Z only. It’s costs but it is worth every penny. It replaces all your current lenses including your macro if your are not shooting 1:1 macro.
Only if needed you can add one of the RF 1.4 VCM lenses depending on your preferred or most used focal length.
That...Show more →

I agree with the RF 15-35mm f2.8L and the RF 24-70mm f2.8L being too large/heavy for a smaller body like an R8II. In fact, they would also add considerable weight to my R6II as well. Chances are I might have to think about getting an R8II as a primary travel camera to use with my current smaller lenses (my EF 24-240mm f4-6.3 is big and heavy and would probably not balance well on a smaller body). Definitely a viable option. Thanks!

Sep 05, 2026 at 06:53 AM

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I’ve shot with all the major mirrorless systems and have system jumped a fair bit. Ultimately, there is wonderful glass in every system, and so a lot is down to simply personal preference. I shot Sony for 5 years and while the tech and output is wonderful, and the GM primes especially are also wonderful, I just can’t do Sony ergonomics long term. They are better than they used to be but they still don’t melt away into the background. Nikon and Canon both do better here but I just recently came back to Canon from Nikon for the combination of ergonomics that just feel “right” to me, plus better AF.

Sony has more lens options of course due to significantly better third party lens support but if you’re strictly going first party high end glass then it’s all down to which works best for you.

Ultimately I wouldn’t worry about a single body…for instance you could sell your Sony stuff and get an R6 III or R5 II and suddenly the AF and resolution ‘defecits’ are gone. But from my own experience since everything nowadays is just so good optically and feature-wise is to choose what feels best to you shooting daily.

Also for travel, the only way to really slim down significantly is to go with crop sensor options with their tiny lenses. Stuff like a Sigma 10-18/2.8 and then add a compact super zoom or something which on APS-C is downright tiny. But if you’re traveling with full frame the body size ultimately makes little difference because it’s about the lenses here. And FF lenses will always be a bit bulky with zoooms. But both sides have compact options, where on RF you have the 16-28 and 28-70 f/2.8 lenses which are optically basically on par with a lot of L glass and are small. Sony has plenty of quality options that are more compact as well. The big f/2.8 L and GM zooms are going to be big no matter what, so again it’s personal preference here. For travel with my R6 II I’d take the 14-35/4L, the 24-105/4L and my 45/1.2, and that is it. Or my little Nikon Z50 II with adapted Sigma 10-18 and Nikon 18-140 for that APS-C shrinkage.

Sep 05, 2026 at 07:10 AM

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Jman13 wrote:
I’ve shot with all the major mirrorless systems and have system jumped a fair bit. Ultimately, there is wonderful glass in every system, and so a lot is down to simply personal preference. I shot Sony for 5 years and while the tech and output is wonderful, and the GM primes especially are also wonderful, I just can’t do Sony ergonomics long term. They are better than they used to be but they still don’t melt away into the background. Nikon and Canon both do better here but I just recently came back to Canon from Nikon for the combination...Show more →

Thanks! Canon definitely has the upper hand in the ergonomics department. I discovered that a few years ago with a 6dmk2 that I ended up selling because the IQ and detail capture wasn't good despite how fantastic the body felt in my hand. I do like the IQ/detail capture of my R6II, it's just that Sony's is so much better even while using my cheap Tamron lenses. And I agree with the lack of good ergonomics on the A7c and A7iv; no matter how long I hold it for, it just feels awkward in my hands. Also, for quick shooting in Aperture Priority mode, the R6II beats the A7iv by a mile! The A7iv forces me to have to shoot in Manual, including selecting the proper ISO myself for every single image I capture if I want to get a decent shot. If performs poorly in Aperture Priority mode unlike the R6II. This means that I have to either pre-set the aperture, shutter speed, ISO in anticipation of what I'm going to shoot, or make all these adjustments while attempting to capture an image. That might be great for landscape or studio/static photography, but is much too slow a process for travel or spontaneous shooting. Granted, the images look better than the images I get from my R6II, but the process is way too slow and cumbersome for me.

Getting an R5II or R6III would put me back in the "too much weight" category.

Sep 05, 2026 at 07:27 AM

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I shoot with both Sony and Canon systems. For Sony I have the A7V and A6700. For Canon I also have the R6MKII and the 5Ds.

You mentioned the classic 24-70/2.8 lens and I have that (RF 24-70/2.8 L IS) and it is an amazing lens. However, it might not fit your criterion of being light. For the Sony side, have you looked at the 40/2.5 G lens? It's pretty light and great for environmental portraits. I do a lot of travelling as well but when I do I often do model shoots thus my MVP lens there is the Sigma 28-105/2.8 DG DN ART. It's the lens I take for street editorial/fashion and then straight to the beach for swimsuit shots. Once again you might find it heavy but if you are considering a 24-70 then you should look at the Sigma as well.

Sep 05, 2026 at 07:51 AM

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This is a serious question, but I’m wondering why you don’t think you have “Leica money” when you have that much money invested in photography gear?

I’m a blue-collar worker, and I shoot Leica. But I don’t have some giant collection of gear. I basically just figured out exactly what I wanted and purchased it. Sure it wasn't right away. I'm not rich. I saved. That’s also why I have a single body and a single lens with Leica. after all, I can only shoot one camera one lens at a time.

And then I have my second system, which happens to be Sony but it just as easily be Canon for my autofocus needs. I’ve slimmed down to just my own personal favorite lenses of all time.

It really is a fun experience as a photographer to have the opportunity to shoot something like a rangefinder. Frankly, it’s something I’ll probably hold onto for the rest of my life. After using it, I kind of understand why people are so obsessed with the brand.

I’m not a professional photographer. I’dsay I go for more of a family documentary style photographer.

And I assume I’m not the only person who has ever sold off a piece of gear to help fund a new acquisition. I don’t necessarily agree with the pricing of some of this photography gear, but it is what it is. Sell some stuff and buy gear used and recognize that some experiences in life cannot be justified by their price tags.

Sep 05, 2026 at 08:00 AM

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jojib wrote:
I shoot with both Sony and Canon systems. For Sony I have the A7V and A6700. For Canon I also have the R6MKII and the 5Ds.

You mentioned the classic 24-70/2.8 lens and I have that (RF 24-70/2.8 L IS) and it is an amazing lens. However, it might not fit your criterion of being light. For the Sony side, have you looked at the 40/2.5 G lens? It's pretty light and great for environmental portraits. I do a lot of travelling as well but when I do I often do model shoots thus my MVP lens there is the...Show more →

A couple of years ago I owned an A7c with several lenses including the Sony 40mm f2.5 G. Yes, I agree with you, it's a very good compact lens. My only issue with it was that I had to exchange two decentered copies before I git a good one. Same with a Sony 85mm f1.8. Unfortunately I sold that camera and several lenses because I thought I was going to use only Canon gear. Three months later I ended up re-purchasing another A7c plus the 3 Tamron lenses I currently own.

I've only owned Sigma lenses in F mount, so I don't have any FE experience with them. I have read that Sigma produces good lensds; their 24-70mm f2.8 seems good on paper.

Sep 05, 2026 at 08:04 AM

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Surfnsun wrote:
This is a serious question, but I’m wondering why you don’t think you have “Leica money” when you have that much money invested in photography gear?

I’m a blue-collar worker, and I shoot Leica. But I don’t have some giant collection of gear. I basically just figured out exactly what I wanted and purchased it. Sure it wasn't right away. I'm not rich. I saved. That’s also why I have a single body and a single lens with Leica. after all, I can only shoot one camera one lens at a time.

And then I have my second system, which happens...Show more →

All the equipment I currently own has also been purchased whenever I needed it for some reason or another. My main "go-to" lens during the dslr days was the 16-35mm f4.0 (Nikon and Canon). I could probably live with 3 primes (wide, medium, and short tele) for travel. My idea of using a 24-70mm f2.8 would cover that range without having to carry/change out lenses but would carry the penalty of weight.

As for prices, my ideal Leica outfit would be:

Leica M11-P = $10,400
Leica Summilux-M 21mm f/1.4 ASPH = $9,840
Leica Summilux-M 35mm f/1.4 ASPH = $6,900
Leica APO-Summicron-M 90mm f/2 ASPH = $6,095
Total = $33,235 (plus tax).

That is WAY over my budget, and if I sold off all my current equipment, I would still not have enough to buy even that M11-P body, let alone any lenses for it! 😀

On the other hand, if I go with the "trinity" option for Sony or Canon I'd be around $10,000. That's a $23,000 savings for me! 😀

Sep 05, 2026 at 08:31 AM

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I won't tell you to disregard "weather sealing" claims entirely, but I will note here that it is far from a uniform standard, that there are lots of reports online of both the A7IV and the R6II succumbing to rain, and that (as Roger Cicala says) there's a reason no manufacturer covers weather damage under warranty. If that's a major delineating factor for you, I would pack a few gallon sized ziplocks and some rubber bands in your camera bag and enjoy true "weather sealing" on every camera and lens ever made.

Sep 05, 2026 at 08:45 AM

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tsdevine wrote:
Whatever you end up doing, I would suggest renting.

I rented, and then, on impulse, bought the rental! lensrentals.com makes that easy. 😜

Sep 05, 2026 at 08:52 AM

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The Sony trinity (16-35 II, 24-70 II, 70-200 f/2.8 II) on your a7 IV would be a bit over a pound lighter than a Canon R6 II trinity (15-35, 24-70, one of the 70-200 f/2.8's). Switching to GMs from your Tamron's would probably yield a bit of a bump in AF tracking performance, and another bump if you went with the a7 V. Comparing the a7 V to the R6 III I would suspect they'd be similar, when using the trinities. But I can't "prove" that.

Wouldn't be cheap to rent, but living vicariously through other people's recommendations is much less of a guarantee. It would not solve the regret after a month of use concern any better for example.

I shot Canon from about 1986 to 2013. Sony from 2013 to present, and Fuji GFX from 2024 to present. Just to be fully open on my background.

Sep 05, 2026 at 08:57 AM

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goo0h wrote:
I rented, and then, on impulse, bought the rental! lensrentals.com makes that easy. 😜

Yeah, I made the mistake of renting the 50-150/2 GM....and never sent it back....

Sep 05, 2026 at 08:58 AM

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nightnight wrote:
I won't tell you to disregard "weather sealing" claims entirely, but I will note here that it is far from a uniform standard, that there are lots of reports online of both the A7IV and the R6II succumbing to rain, and that (as Roger Cicala says) there's a reason no manufacturer covers weather damage under warranty. If that's a major delineating factor for you, I would pack a few gallon sized ziplocks and some rubber bands in your camera bag and enjoy true "weather sealing" on every camera and lens ever made.

Throughout the years I've had all sorts of experiences with weather sealed and non-weather sealed equipment. When I used to use Nikon dslr's, I had issues with errors popping up at events when fog machines were used. I've shot in extreme heat (deserts of Arizona, New Mexico and Texas during the middle of summer heat waves), sub-freezing places like Iceland, rainy conditions in Florida and the Caribbean, etc. My R6II and OM-5 perform flawlessly uder extreme weather conditions. I haven't owned my A7iv long enough to test it under those conditions, so I can't say for sure how it will perform.

I'm usually very careful with my equipment. My camera bags and backpacks are all weather proof.

The biggest problem with non-weather sealed lenses is that they seem to be more prone to collecting dust on the elements inside the lens. I live in Florida, so high level of humidity is the norm here. That humidity leads to fungus growth inside lenses.

Also, I tend to travel to places during their off/non-peak seasons vecause of work scheduling issues, so I'm at these places during their worst weather (Iceland during winter, Japan during typhoon season, Caribbean during hurricane season, American southwest during the hottest days of summer, Spain during winter, etc.). The more weather-sealed my equipment, the better.

Sep 05, 2026 at 09:04 AM

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I think the answer is probably simpler than anyone is making out. You already have a crapton of gear. Out of all of that, let’s start which system do you prefer for your style of shooting? The next question is are you willing to sell everything and start over?

Assuming you are willing to sell everything off and repurchase, it appears you can have virtually any system you mentioned including the Leica.

My 2 cents would be to pick a system and go for it. I don’t know the Canon system, but I am sure they have smaller travel bodies and a good higher resolution body. You could buy them and the holy trinity and more.

In Sony, I can say the AF and AE are excellent in the A7C2 and A7CR, the A7R5 and incredible in the A7R6. The advantage here is the newest Sony holy trinity are excellent optically and a lot more compact and lightweight than the competitors. The A7CR and A7RV share the same sensor and battery as your A7RIV, the A7R6 improved both. I can only add for me as a large handed guy who likes smaller gear for travel and higher resolution gear for landscape and wildlife, I enjoyed the A7C2 size but had to add a grip base for ergonomics. The A7R6 is frankly ideal for me, small but not cramped or awkward, I sold the A7C2 and decided to do everything with the A7R6, two of them in fact.

Final comments are there is no single perfect camera, everything is a compromise. In that there’s also no wrong decisions as long as you can adjust to and live with whatever weaknesses. I can however fully claim this: as a guy who used to own and shoot with multiple different systems and formats, learning to live with the weaknesses and living with a single system is relative bliss — the weaknesses fade and the joy of photography returns. 👍

Sep 05, 2026 at 09:09 AM

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Honestly, I think you have Leica money, you just have it spread across an absolutely insane amount of gear. Looking at your list, I’d have to think you have close to 15-20k worth of gear sitting there on the used market, probably more depending on the film stuff. I am not an expert. That's my shot in the dark… the exact amount really isn’t the point because prices vary on the used market.

You could sell a bunch of this, buy an M10-P and a 35 Lux, from whichever generation you prefer, and have an absolutely killer Leica setup for around $10k. Then you still have another $10k to put together a really nice used Sony AF kit for the wildlife, weather, and situations where you actually need autofocus. in my situation, I made sure not to double up on focal length between my rangefinder kit and my auto focus kit and with Leica for me it was really down to either shooting a 35 or 50. I went with 50 on my Leica. I kept the 35 GM which is incredible and then kept the 70-200GM2 which is also incredible on Sony. The only other thing I’m really thinking about with Leica is maybe adding a black MP with a 28/2. I gotta say it’s hard though to not want that 35 Lux.

snegron7 wrote:
All the equipment I currently own has also been purchased whenever I needed it for some reason or another. My main "go-to" lens during the dslr days was the 16-35mm f4.0 (Nikon and Canon). I could probably live with 3 primes (wide, medium, and short tele) for travel. My idea of using a 24-70mm f2.8 would cover that range without having to carry/change out lenses but would carry the penalty of weight.

As for prices, my ideal Leica outfit would be:

Leica M11-P = $10,400
Leica Summilux-M 21mm f/1.4 ASPH = $9,840
Leica Summilux-M 35mm f/1.4 ASPH = $6,900
Leica APO-Summicron-M 90mm f/2 ASPH...Show more →

Sep 05, 2026 at 09:35 AM

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I think one thing to keep in mind when making these sorts of bigger decisions is recognizing the fact that this isn’t a big purchase that you’re gonna get to make all at once. That’s a luxury that some people have, but most people don’t. This is really gonna be an acquisition where you acquire pieces one at a time. It’s like that old country song where you acquired one piece at a time, except it’s gonna cost you a few dimes.

Sep 05, 2026 at 09:48 AM

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snegron7 wrote:
Getting an R5II or R6III would put me back in the "too much weight" category.

An R6 III weighs 19g more than the R6 II. I can’t see how 19g could swing anyone from “ok to carry” to “too heavy.”

Sep 05, 2026 at 09:49 AM

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