p.1 #2 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
In general, you should be put off by your first hand experiences, not the disappointing subjective experiences of others.
Do you know enough about the cameras to know if he's correct, or is he a misguided user like so many others? He didn't bother to show the menus in his half hour long rant.
p.1 #3 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
You're in Germany and should be able to find a Leica Store relatively nearby to try the system firsthand. IMO it would be worthwhile considering the cost of building an SL system to at least try before buying. To repeat what Scott already stated, base your decision on that rather than someone else's opinions (but take note of those opinions and decide if they're a factor, when you actually try the camera).
p.1 #4 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
I might be in the minority but I really couldn't give a crap about the menu system in a camera. The way I shoot I usually set it up once with a couple of custom settings and after that I don't do anything in the menus again. Just get it to where you like it for whatever purpose; for me it's generally autofocus setup to track moving subjects well enough, manual mode, auto ISO with exposure compensation somewhere handy and a quick way to swap into manual ISO. Then I'm done.
I didn't watch the video to see what else he might complain about but really, most any semi-modern camera is so much better than I am that few concerns are really valid IMO.
p.1 #5 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
I too found the User Profile process to be mildly confusing/annoying on the Q3 and M11 during my recent loans. Once you figure out how it works, it's fine, but I didn't shoot video, and I get wanting to have separate Video & Photo sets of profiles (that you can rename).
p.1 #6 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
He articulates the main reasons well enough, and it is telling that the Leica agent had to call the office after three hours dealing with a customer. He should look into two systems from Sony: one of the FX cameras and whatever he wants for stills.
Simplicity is the peak of civilization; simplicity is the ultimate sophistication (Leonardo da Vinci).
Computer specialists take on the role of product design, and look around at the mess they have created. They always side with the computer, instead of the poor victim that tries to use their output
Anyone interested in this fascinating field of human-centric design may wish to read the classics in the field:
'About Face: The Essentials of Interaction Design' and
'The Inmates Are Running the Asylum'
both by the father of VB, Alan Cooper.
p.1 #8 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
The focus peaking is inadequate. It only has a low and high sensitivity setting, and high basically shows that everything is in focus. It’s a known deficiency of that camera, one that even YouTubers commented on during the initial marketing blitz.
philip_pj wrote:
The comments are also of value. I wonder what was the underlying problem with the EV-1 he used, that gave him out-of-focus images?
p.1 #9 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
One of my least favourite YouTubers and he’s mostly wrong due to inexperience with the camera.
He’s confusing a video profile with a user profile (yes, I agree it’s not clear). Once you set up a video profile or your camera in stills you then allocate them to a user profile, which can be named to anything you want. The camera will default to the setting (photo/video) you were in when you created the profile.
So essentially you have 6 user profiles available than can each store a photo and a video profile within them.
And I don’t have any battery drain issues.
They don’t give him cars because this is what he does. He rants and when he’s wrong, which is often, he doesn’t seem to back down or apologise.
p.1 #11 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
Hard to know where to start ... but, as an SL user (SL2-S currently), with my eye to the SL3-P for a future upgrade, listening to the rant of someone with no experience (ummm a week and a half, really ... really) has ZERO influence on my future decision making, except to decide that future rants of his are NOT on my radar.
I think the overarching aspect of this is imbedded in the beginning ... looking for something different to shake up my creativity. Then, he goes on to lament that it isn't the same as his old ways, and gives up on it in short order. Ummm, kinda antithetical path to arriving at his thumbs down assessment ... which includes him relinquishing his acknowledgement of IQ diff vs. his need for random switching things around in video. If your primary goals are to be a random switcher in video ... ummm, well, ummm ... yeah, ummm, yeah.
p.1 #13 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
highdesertmesa wrote:
I would never trust someone who choses those fonts for their video title card. Ewww.
And you should try by yourself. For instance, I love Leica ergonomics: film M, digital M, Leica R...
But I shot with a SL2 for a few months, expecting to love it too and found that on such a camera, I prefer more buttons, custom functions...
Mainly because I use them for sport, wildlife...
In fact, I'm pretty happy with my OM-1 II and my A7r V which are quite the opposite of a Leica.
So you can never know unless you test by yourself.
p.1 #14 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
pmeheut wrote:
And you should try by yourself. For instance, I love Leica ergonomics: film M, digital M, Leica R...
But I shot with a SL2 for a few months, expecting to love it too and found that on such a camera, I prefer more buttons, custom functions...
Mainly because I use them for sport, wildlife...
In fact, I'm pretty happy with my OM-1 II and my A7r V which are quite the opposite of a Leica.
So you can never know unless you test by yourself.
100% agree. And I also much prefer my A1ii for wildlife than my SL3-P. Those extra buttons are super useful. As is the fast read sensor and the quick set functionality. I would never go back to a SL camera for wildlife. Well, not with this generation. For general shooting I much prefer the Leica though. For me the camera is more intuitive and gets out of my way more. There’s just less camera to think about. One is a great wildlife camera that can be used for general shooting and the other is a great camera for general shooting that can do some wildlife.
And to clarify, it’s not the AF. The SL3-P AF is super sticky. I haven’t found its limits yet. It’s the ability to setup the A1ii in a way I can completely change the camera with the press of a single button. I’ve already mentioned this to Nick Rains (who’s got my 300-600 at the moment). Switching profiles isn’t the same. You can miss shots doing that.
As an aside I thought I’d play nice and leave a comment on his video explaining how the profiles can be set up. Not aggressive. Just assistance. He replied with another *problem*. Also false. He’s decided and that’s it. Fine for him. Shoot what you want. But re-enforces my previous opinion that he refuses to learn and thinks he knows it all. I don’t think he wanted it to work, really. He’s looking for views and a Leica hater video always gets them out of their holes.
Hilariously, I don’t even shoot video much, on my SL3’s. I had to work it out. Took me 3 minutes!
p.1 #17 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
I've owned a lot of Leica models and they have been the easiest of all of the camera brands I've owned to use. The worst and hardest was when I had a Sony A7CII and it was the newer system compared to older ones. It has put me so far off Sony that I will never buy one of their cameras again. If the YouTube guy has a long history with Sony maybe it's the easiest system for them, but to me even Fuji is easier. It goes Leica, Canon/Nikon, Lumix, Fuji, OM Systems, and long way away from the others Sony.
p.1 #18 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
I would take this guy‘s user experience with a grain of salt.
As Scott pointed out, It’s better to get one in your hands rather than relying on a person’s subjective opinion. I just bought the SL3-P a couple weeks ago while here in Germany, and without even looking at a manual or anything, I’ve been able to figure a lot of it out, and find it a very enjoyable camera. Does it mean it’s better than my R1 or past Z9 or Z8? No, they’re just different but this guy‘s rant is pure nonsense.
p.1 #19 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
I shoot sony A7rv, leica SL3, and the hasselblad x2d2...with that said, most of what he said about the menus and weather sealing is rubbish. Of my three cameras X2D2 has the best menu system, Leica second and Sony a distant third.
In regards to weather sealing, the Leica is the only one I would actually feel comfortable taking out in a downpour or blowing sand. not because i don't think the other two could handle it, but becasue I've taken the Leica there without problems
Now if he used Autofocus as a point for no liking, I would agree with him, The only reason I have the Sony is because the AF is so much better. I have put the SL-P up against to sony to see if I could part with it but the sony AF is still better
I'm not sure if he hit on it during the video (I didn't watch all of it) but if he said Pro support or repair times as other reason, he would be spot on.
But changing user profiles is ridiculously easy and fast
p.1 #20 · After briefly considering an SL camera I saw this and was totally put off.
I think you need to watch the video again. He shows why the weather sealing on the SL3-P is rubbish for videographers. If you plug in a mic, the other two ports are wide open.
