p.10 #1 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love–Hate Experience
philip_pj wrote:
The Viso 2 gets plenty of criticism for its size and sharp edges. The camera must be held in a awkward position, lower than how it is used in RF mode, where it jams the largest part of noses. It's pretty robust but adds ~100 grams. As any travel person will tell you, it will get caught on clothing, bags, bang on doors, etc.
Worth passing on - you might need some tape:
'They didn’t seal the diopter dial from the inner elements of the EVF, so it gets totally loaded with dust. Here is my EVF after only about 2-3 weeks of use, traveling around Tokyo and Japan with it almost permanently mounted to my camera – Yes, that dust is on the inside.'
There is a lot more than form factor to criticize with the VisoFlex. The EVF is not a high performer, especially in low light. It is slow, drops frames, and jittery to use. Consequentially, I have only used mine in a few forced instances.
In sharp contrast the EVF in the SL cameras is a joy to use, bright, sharp, smooth, and accurate. The addition of IBIS is a great benefit with EVF shooting.
The EV-1 suffers many of the same issues as the Visoflex. I also did not enjoy that shooting experience overall.
I find the SL cameras to be the best EVF based shooting platform for manual lenses in the Leica lineup. In various configurations it can serve as a full featured mirrorless, interchangeable lens platform, a superb M lens platform, and a pretty close match for a Q camera shooting experience. It also makes for a top level film scanning tool producing 61mpx, 14 bit, DNG RAW files supperior to what most labs can do.
p.10 #2 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love–Hate Experience
1bwana1 wrote:
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There is a lot more than form factor to criticize with the VisoFlex. The EVF is not a high performer, especially in low light. It is slow, drops frames, and jittery to use. Consequentially, I have only used mine in a few forced instances.
In sharp contrast the EVF in the SL cameras is a joy to use, bright, sharp, smooth, and accurate. The addition of IBIS is a great benefit with EVF shooting.
The EV-1 suffers many of the same issues as the Visoflex. I also did not enjoy that shooting experience overall.
I find the SL cameras to be the best EVF based shooting platform for manual lenses in the Leica lineup. In various configurations it can serve as a full featured mirrorless, interchangeable lens platform, a superb M lens platform, and a pretty close match for a Q camera shooting experience. It also makes for a top level film scanning tool producing 61mpx, 14 bit, DNG RAW files supperior to what most labs can do....Show more →
Yes, fair point! The Viso is a big disappointment. I find it okay for fine focusing of wide apertures in good light, and for framing non-standard lenses. But it fails pretty badly in exactly the low-light usage that would be most useful in filling gaps in the capability of the rangefinder system.
I've been pondering whether to get either a Kolari-modded A7CR or an SL3, but they'd both be big chunks of camera to add to my kit just to replace the small but clunky visoflex when I need an EVF.
p.10 #3 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love–Hate Experience
1bwana1 wrote:
There is a lot more than form factor to criticize with the VisoFlex. The EVF is not a high performer, especially in low light. It is slow, drops frames, and jittery to use. Consequentially, I have only used mine in a few forced instances.
I could not agree more. In fact, I use the M11 screen more often. Last time I used the Visoflex was when shooting a concert with the 90mm/2.
Next time, I will use my Sony A7r V with the LM-EA9 in MF or AF.
p.10 #4 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love–Hate Experience
I hope they update the Visoflex when they do an M12, but who knows. Maybe they'll try and push those people into the EV line going forward. I played with a Viso when I dropped in the Leica store in Amsterdam. I had the 50 Nocti on an M11 BP (boy is that a heavy setup!) and while it was good, I still felt like I needed peaking or magnification. Also the Nocti isn't the sharpest thing wide open to begin with. I like that you can use it at different angles and the general build of it, but the design is still a bit awkward.
They also had this ginormous thing in the entrance, lol
p.10 #5 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love–Hate Experience
Been shooting film and digital M for several years, the only thing I still don't get used to it is the metering of the digital M.
I always shoot with +.3 or .7 ev
p.10 #6 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love–Hate Experience
zi464 wrote:
Been shooting film and digital M for several years, the only thing I still don't get used to it is the metering of the digital M.
I always shoot with +.3 or .7 ev
Interesting. That is exactly opposite my experience with digital M cameras. Shadow recovery is so good on the digital Ms that I tend to underexpose the meter by 0.3 to 0.7 stops to protect the highlights.
I tend to over expose a similar amount on my film cameras because shadow recovery is a problem with film and highlights are not.
I am shooting RAW so processing the shadows is easy with a large latitude. Perhaps you are shooting jpeg?
p.10 #7 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love–Hate Experience
1bwana1 wrote:
Interesting. That is exactly opposite my experience with digital M cameras. Shadow recovery is so good on the digital Ms that I tend to underexpose the meter by 0.3 to 0.7 stops to protect the highlights.
I tend to over expose a similar amount on my film cameras because shadow recovery is a problem with film and highlights are not.
I am shooting RAW so processing the shadows is easy with a large latitude. Perhaps you are shooting jpeg?
I'm shooting DNG, I always find the pic is bit underexpose.
I'm also using film style to shot digital M as well, over 1 stop.
Kinda busy these days, will try to unload couple pics I shoot with the KOB passed weekend.
