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p.2 #1 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love-Hate Experience


The day the average M shooter isn't hamstrung by the demands of the nearly-casketed will be something.


Jul 15, 2026 at 05:07 PM
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p.2 #2 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love-Hate Experience


RoamingScott wrote:
I've seen this argument, but have a hard time seeing how it's objectively true. How is seeing an off-axis preview that can be obstructed by a lens hood through an OVF that can be dimmer than an EVF superior for the final result than a top of the line MILC with manual focus confirmation and a WYSIWYG comp preview? I can't square that.


Objectively, I agree that a modern EVF with subject detection and simple confirmation makes things really easy and overcomes issues with field curvature and focus shift, and only having one central patch.

Subjectively, the rangefinder still does some things that I find valuable. Seeing outside of the frame, the simplicity of a single central patch (which is quite good over a variety of subjects, and also a bit brighter than you might expect if you're using an SLR/DSLR for comparison), and the ergonomics are great for a strict MF experience. There's also a degree of satisfaction that comes from the "this is all I need" mindset. My Zf and CV lenses ultimately lost out to my M2 as my preferred camera, solely for subjective reasons.

I'd encourage you to try one sometime. You might find it's for you, but you also might not and you're free to never think about it again.



Jul 15, 2026 at 05:08 PM
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p.2 #3 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love-Hate Experience


I tend to agree with you. I've tried the M11-P peaking options on the camera and no matter how hard I try I tend to miss focus with peaking. I'm not sure if tts a me thing or if the peaking is algorithm is slightly off. I tend to reply on the rangefinder patch but there are times when my eyes aren't focus or extremely low light which make it near impossible. I must be getting old.


Jul 15, 2026 at 05:26 PM
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p.2 #4 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love-Hate Experience


I was eyeing the M-EV1 before I purchased my M11-P used. The thing that swayed me away from that model is that I heard the battery life is horrendous. From what I read the M-EV1 can shoot around 250ish shots before the battery dies? While the M11-P shoots closer to 700. Leica batteries aren't cheap so I went with the M11-P. I don't regret my decision but I'm hoping there will be another iteration of the M-EV1.


Jul 15, 2026 at 05:41 PM
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tofunjay wrote:
I was eyeing the M-EV1 before I purchased my M11-P used. The thing that swayed me away from that model is that I heard the battery life is horrendous. From what I read the M-EV1 can shoot around 250ish shots before the battery dies? While the M11-P shoots closer to 700. Leica batteries aren't cheap so I went with the M11-P. I don't regret my decision but I'm hoping there will be another iteration of the M-EV1.


Purchase and use a film camera. After that, 250 shots will most likely more that suffice for everything short of event photography. With deference to the book, The Decisive Moment by..of course Henri Cartier Bresson.



Jul 15, 2026 at 06:28 PM
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p.2 #6 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love-Hate Experience


Some things to note about the M11 series from my experience:

* For freezes/pixelation, I’d look at the card as one possible variable. Before buying my M11, I researched user experiences and compatibility. SanDisk came up repeatedly, and I went with a 300MB/s read/write card rather than the cheapest option. I’ve never had those issues.

* For low-light focusing, the rangefinder patch needs enough contrast to work effectively. Depending on the situation, learning to use available contrast, focus anticipation, and zone focusing can help a lot.

* I rarely use Live View. I keep the screen brightness low and primarily use the optical finder.

* I mostly shoot Aperture Priority with Auto ISO, so I don’t really interact with the ISO dial much.

The biggest adjustment with the M is that it isn’t about previewing and reacting to the image. It’s about anticipation: seeing the scene, visualizing the moment, and being ready when it happens.

With the rangefinder, there is less between me and the scene. My brain does more of the work, drawing from experience, keeping track of the frame, and filling in the gaps. It’s less about confirmation and more about trusting observation and anticipation.

If you prefer a more WYSIWYG workflow, a Q, SL, or another mirrorless system may naturally be a better fit.



Jul 15, 2026 at 06:34 PM
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p.2 #7 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love-Hate Experience


The M11 works for me as *my* general do-all camera.
I accept the compromises because I value the size and image quality. If i need to get exact framing, I'll use the EVF. If things are moving, I'll zone focus. Etc...
I don't shoot wildlife, sports or video, which is why it works for me. It definitely isn't a camera for everyone; nor does owning one bring some sort of mystical quality.

Signed;
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Jul 15, 2026 at 06:43 PM
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Those are valid points. When I shoot my M-A, I don't nearly notice as many quirks as I do the M11-P. I'm not tempted to check or use live view since there is none and I take more care composing the shot since I treat every one as a precious commodity. I switched to the Nikon FM2 a time to try something new and I guess I got spoiled by the viewfinder.


Jul 15, 2026 at 06:46 PM
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whiteonline wrote:
The M11 works for me as *my* general do-all camera.
I accept the compromises because I value the size and image quality. If i need to get exact framing, I'll use the EVF. If things are moving, I'll zone focus. Etc...
I don't shoot wildlife, sports or video, which is why it works for me. It definitely isn't a camera for everyone; nor does owning one bring some sort of mystical quality.

Signed;
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Definitely, I was attracted to the M series because I was looking for a travel camera to take my time with and get artistic shots. Anything that remotely requires tracking I will switch to my canon. It would take me a few more years of muscle memory to get that any usable with a rangefinder for anything moving faster than a turtle



Jul 15, 2026 at 06:51 PM
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I echo this comments. I use to like their product as much as the company but now I feel Leica’s marketing “disgusting.” I know it is strong.

If they just shut up and do nothing is better than snake oil type of marketing material. I feel they are abusing the Leica legacy IMHO.

M is a lovely system I have to say. I don’t use it much but any time pick it up, I can appreciate. Think about it, it is really a piece of gear stem from 70 years ago I like about it. Leica did nothing new seriously in past 10 years or so make me think they are doing this brand justice.

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I will always have a soft spot for Leica rangefinders, but not Leica Camera AG.

—Peter.




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zhangyue wrote:
I echo this comments. I use to like their product as much as the company but now I feel Leica’s marketing “disgusting.” I know it is strong.

If they just shut up and do nothing is better than snake oil type of marketing material. I feel they are abusing the Leica legacy IMHO.

M is a lovely system I have to say. I don’t use it much but any time pick it up, I can appreciate. Think about it, it is really a piece of gear stem from 70 years ago I like about it. Leica did nothing new seriously
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The M3 was the tip of the technical spear. Maybe the Q series has some creative cred., but for the most part, Leica is a low tech company in a high tech world.. and the world isn’t going back. I suspect, with the sale of Leica, will come some sorely needed technical upgrades and marketing that addresses real progress across the lineup.



Jul 15, 2026 at 07:25 PM
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It's a curse! and I wrote about the dilemma here.

https://www.leicaimages.com/blog/13/the-leica-curse-why-i-choose-the-friction-of-the-craft-over-digital-perfection




Jul 15, 2026 at 07:37 PM
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tofunjay wrote:
I was eyeing the M-EV1 before I purchased my M11-P used. The thing that swayed me away from that model is that I heard the battery life is horrendous. From what I read the M-EV1 can shoot around 250ish shots before the battery dies? While the M11-P shoots closer to 700. Leica batteries aren't cheap so I went with the M11-P. I don't regret my decision but I'm hoping there will be another iteration of the M-EV1.


A twenty dollar power bank will solve that problem. And the EV1 is OK. I get a lot more than 250 frames. I get more than 700 on my M11-P though.

Gordon



Jul 15, 2026 at 07:38 PM
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bwcolor wrote:
When us elderly ‘M’ users die out and should Leica decide to spend money on much faster sensors and processing chips, then dual mode EVF with electronically generated rangefinder and standard EVF focus aids paired with IBIS will make these cameras more useful, especially with wider, or longer lenses. Right now, the vocal outcry from the soon to be ground temperature crowd will probably prevent Leica from doing this, but with the EVF-1 series there is hope.


Leica is aware and investing heavily in both high speed sensor and processor right now.



Jul 15, 2026 at 07:47 PM
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People like M cameras because they’re fun. And challenging. And pretty. No manual focus rangefinder has ever been particularly precise. A Sony A7CR is smaller, lighter cheaper and arguably produces better results because it has IBIS and EFCS. But it’s not a joy to use.

If you need every frame in perfect focus and perfectly matched framing, you chose the wrong system. Some of us recognise that a great image doesn’t need to always be technically perfect. M shooters embrace the serendipity of not always getting the shot, because frankly, it doesn’t matter.

Complaining about framing on a M camera is like complaining that your Porsche 911 isn’t very good at transporting furniture. Well, duh!

Gordon



Jul 15, 2026 at 07:49 PM
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tofunjay wrote:
Hi everyone, I’m new here and wanted to share some real-world thoughts after spending time with the M11-P as a travel camera. I shoot a mix of systems, but I was really hoping this could become my one-camera solution on the road.
I really wanted the Leica M11-P to be my “end-all, be-all” travel camera, but after spending some real time with it, I ended up with a bit of a love–hate relationship. None of this is meant to bash the camera—it does a lot right—but there are a few things that personally got in my way that might not bother
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The Sony Tough G cards are probably the cause of your freezing and pixelation issues. For whatever reason they just don't work well on M11 generation cameras. I switched to Lexar and haven't had an issue since. I now use my Sony Tough G cards only on my A1.



Jul 15, 2026 at 07:53 PM
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bwcolor wrote:
The M3 was the tip of the technical spear. Maybe the Q series has some creative cred., but for the most part, Leica is a low tech company in a high tech world.. and the world isn’t going back. I suspect, with the sale of Leica, will come some sorely needed technical upgrades and marketing that addresses real progress across the lineup.


Leica is not being sold. A minority stake in Leica is being sold. Management is not going to noticably change. Current management is looking forward and investing in high technology. But Leica will never try to compete with Sony etc in technology. That would be a suicide move.



Jul 15, 2026 at 08:01 PM
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I do wonder how some of these stances will shift as the platform, specifically the M EV line, evolves.

Zone focusing is useless at wide open apertures. If you're shooting between 0.95 and 2, maybe even 2.8, the focus plane is narrow enough that subtle shifts in subject movement will kill critical focus. It doesn't matter as much on film, but on digital sensors, missed focus is a killer. I've actually turned to Topaz Photo AI to save images that are slightly OOF.



Jul 15, 2026 at 08:03 PM
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p.2 #19 · Leica M11-P as a Travel Camera: A Love-Hate Experience


Next week I will leave on a 3 week trip in the Eastern Mediterranean. I will take an M11 and an M6. I love M cameras for travel. They are ideal for street, city, architecture, most landscape. and people. For me they add to the character and enjoyment of trips. So easy to travel with.

Where they don't shine is out to dinner at night with friends and family. For that either a small point and shoot, or phone camera is perfect.So, I will have my Samsung Galaxy Ultra, and my D-Lux 8 with flash.

I will have 21mm, 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, 90mm lenses. The entire M kit fits in a small, light Oberwerth bag.





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Jul 15, 2026 at 08:13 PM
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RomanMF wrote:
I do wonder how some of these stances will shift as the platform, specifically the M EV line, evolves.

Zone focusing is useless at wide open apertures. If you're shooting between 0.95 and 2, maybe even 2.8, the focus plane is narrow enough that subtle shifts in subject movement will kill critical focus. It doesn't matter as much on film, but on digital sensors, missed focus is a killer. I've actually turned to Topaz Photo AI to save images that are slightly OOF.


If the EV-1 view finder and manual focusing/composing/IBIS ever evolves to the level of my SL3 or better, I will add one to my kit. When I want to shoot M lenses in tough circumstances or with TTL/HSS flash it is my go to. The speed and accuracy of focus is much better than with the EV-1 in my experience. Not my favorite travel kit however.



Jul 15, 2026 at 08:22 PM
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